It's official(again), Trump is a damned liar on Obama wiretap accusation

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sdifox

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He didn't lie if he thinks it's true, and many of the people calling him a liar also acknowledge that he "saw something on fox news and went with it." Do words mean anything to the regressive left? Has homer ever made a thread without a faulty title? Something like 70% of thread titles are poorly worded here. Bigots.


Either he is a liar or he is easily misled. Or both.
 

interchange

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He didn't lie if he thinks it's true, and many of the people calling him a liar also acknowledge that he "saw something on fox news and went with it." Do words mean anything to the regressive left? Has homer ever made a thread without a faulty title? Something like 70% of thread titles are poorly worded here. Bigots.

The truth is perhaps worse than the allegation. Trump makes an inflammatory comment based on a gross misrepresentation of media reports and takes no accountability for this and likely feels that there is no need to take accountability for it either.

He is not Jim at the water cooler talking trash. He's the President of the US addressing the American people and the world. What's worse is that, due to fear of the implications of this reality, the government and media are compelled to interpret and act upon his comments in a way they feel is best for the American people. This absolves Trump of the responsibility of cleaning up his mess, and it legitimizes a host of reality distortions to justify in our minds that things are going to be relatively OK.

Our attention should be clear. Finding the extent of the accuracy of the content of Trump's words is not our most important task especially since facts and interpretations will never be linear, consistent, and mutually agreed upon. However, Trump's behavior in this instance is in keeping with a clear and consistent pattern of dangerous, inflammatory, tyrannous self-importance and lack of regard for individual responsibility. The only way to maintain legitimacy here is to sow more and more roots of corruption. We must recognize that this is our doing. It is our attempt to turn our attention away from the grave reality of Trump. We must hold ourselves accountable to our actions else the downfall of America will be on our shoulders.
 
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brycejones

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He didn't lie if he thinks it's true, and many of the people calling him a liar also acknowledge that he "saw something on fox news and went with it." Do words mean anything to the regressive left? Has homer ever made a thread without a faulty title? Something like 70% of thread titles are poorly worded here. Bigots.

Oh look another alt right dumbass. Sorry you outed yourself with the regressive left bit. If the thread titles here really having you clutching your pearls so tightly you do have options like not visiting the forum so you won't be so offended.
 

emperus

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He didn't lie if he thinks it's true, and many of the people calling him a liar also acknowledge that he "saw something on fox news and went with it." Do words mean anything to the regressive left? Has homer ever made a thread without a faulty title? Something like 70% of thread titles are poorly worded here. Bigots.

Trump is a liar. Just ask the investigators he sent to Hawaii and were finding amazing things in re: to Obama's birth certificate. Oh yeah... There were none because he lied about that as well.
 

Meghan54

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Oh look another alt right dumbass. Sorry you outed yourself with the regressive left bit. If the thread titles here really having you clutching your pearls so tightly you do have options like not visiting the forum so you won't be so offended.

He has to visit; it's on his assigned list of sites to shill and all............just wonder how much is paycheck amounts to for this.
 

HomerJS

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He didn't lie if he thinks it's true, and many of the people calling him a liar also acknowledge that he "saw something on fox news and went with it." Do words mean anything to the regressive left? Has homer ever made a thread without a faulty title? Something like 70% of thread titles are poorly worded here. Bigots.
You are a funny dude, however a bit demented. If there is an error in the title factually refute it. I'm all for being corrected on that basis. The funny part is you bitching about my English skills. Ok so they suck. Using that to refute the content is pretty grade school. Kind of like our current POTUS.

When you already know the answer to a question, search for a single crumb to justify the conclusion you want, that is de facto lying. Trump used Fox News claiming Obama used the Brits to spy on him. Oh, in case you didn't see it Spicer and McMaster were forced to call the Brits about this and their response is he's a bloody liar.

Fox News runs a story that's totally FALSE but people want to beat up Rachel Maddow for over hyping a TRUE story. BTW - Fox spreads false stories and over hypes regularly to further their agenda and are rarely called on it.

So where are you going to go now? Every source Trump has used says he is full of shit. Are you willing to admit this guy is a serial liar? Are you willing to admit he should not be in office?
 

thraashman

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I like that people defending Trump are reduced to the George Costanza defense.

It's kind of a good point though. If you believe and repeat something that only a person of such extreme stupidity that they shouldn't be allowed to attempt tying their own shoes would believe, are you a liar or just so unbelievably fucking stupid that anyone who voted for you should be so ashamed of themselves that they begin brutal self flagellation in repentance immediately?
 

justoh

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You are a funny dude, however a bit demented. If there is an error in the title factually refute it. I'm all for being corrected on that basis. The funny part is you bitching about my English skills. Ok so they suck. Using that to refute the content is pretty grade school. Kind of like our current POTUS.

When you already know the answer to a question, search for a single crumb to justify the conclusion you want, that is de facto lying. Trump used Fox News claiming Obama used the Brits to spy on him. Oh, in case you didn't see it Spicer and McMaster were forced to call the Brits about this and their response is he's a bloody liar.

Fox News runs a story that's totally FALSE but people want to beat up Rachel Maddow for over hyping a TRUE story. BTW - Fox spreads false stories and over hypes regularly to further their agenda and are rarely called on it.

So where are you going to go now? Every source Trump has used says he is full of shit. Are you willing to admit this guy is a serial liar? Are you willing to admit he should not be in office?


When have I ever stated that I thought he should be in office? More lies!
 

zinfamous

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If you go back and look you can find Fern making very similar and equally bizarrely credulous defenses of birtherism.

really? I don't remember him stepping off the diving board that long ago. I thought this was a fairly recent, Fern's citizenship in crazytown.
 

HomerJS

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When have I ever stated that I thought he should be in office? More lies!
Dude, be accurate. I never stated you said he should be in office.

I'm asking you in your opinion should he be in office? Is he fit for office? Does the US deserve this guy?

Also is he a serial liar?

If you don't have the courage to answer these questions just say so.
 

justoh

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Dude, be accurate. I never stated you said he should be in office.

I'm asking you in your opinion should he be in office? Is he fit for office? Does the US deserve this guy?

Also is he a serial liar?

If you don't have the courage to answer these questions just say so.
No offense, but I prefer not to talk about politics or religion.
 

justoh

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Actually you like to drop a deuce and run. Have a nice day and try taking off the chicken suit.
Tough crowd. I don't think he should be president. I think the us probably does deserve him, and I don't know about the serial liar part. He's a serial stater of falsehoods.
 

dainthomas

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I do not believe that to be correct.



The concern about lying should be directed at the intel community, not the Congressional committee. I recall Clapper lying to Congress not too long ago. We've also seen felony level leaks coming frtom the intel community lately.



Homer, this is a very very poor description. I didn't hear Spicer speak, but I know enough about it to know what you posted is inaccurate.

I'll explain:

1. We know, we don't think we know, we know that our intel community is "wire tapping" everyone. We know because of Snowden's leaks published by wikileaks. Clapper initially denied it in his Congressional testimony and had to later admit his testimony was inaccurate.

2 The data is stored in the NSA's facility in Utah. US intel agencies are not supposed to access that data on a US citizen without a court order (some in the intel community have said that is not always the case, but we'll ignore that for now).

3. The GCHQ, a British top level intel agency has been given the right to access our intel data held at the Utah facility. Being a non-US agency the GCHQ is not bound by the rules (or Constitution) our US intel agencies are subject to. (A loophole and a method of acquiring private without leaving fingerprints.)

So, what has been reported, and what Spicer is referring to, are reports that several sources (3 independent sources IIRC) in the intel community have claimed that the British GCHQ went into the Utah database, accessed Trump's info and leaked it thereby circumventing the process.
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I don't know what, if anything, Trump has, but I'd keep "my powder dry" for while on this one. I'd wait to see what he has. If the Congressional committees all come back saying there's nothing and Trump actually has something, there's going to be a shit storm of epic proportions.

Many say Trump should use his exec authority to find out if he's been 'wire tapped'. But if he actually has something, I think this is a much more clever way of going about it. He's setting up 'traps'.

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I think everyone's rage is misdirected. Instead, we should be angry about:

1. Wholesale data harvesting of American's private info in direct violation of the 4th. (See Snowden's leaks. IIRC, he claims a paper from a WH lawyer in Nov 2011 re-interpreted policy expanding data collection to all US citizens.).

2. Allowing a foreign gov (British GCHQ) acess to the private data of US citizens. Outrageous if true.

3. The leak of Flynn's convo with the Russian ambassador. You all slammed Trump for not properly vetting Flynn before the appointment. Yet as part of the process Flynn was vetted by the FBI before being confirmed. So, the FBI missed it too, right? How is it this wasn't uncovered by the FBI? Who later leaked it and why?

Things aren't kosher in our intel community now.

Fern

Occam's Razor. Either your vast global conspiracy theory is true, or Trump twitted out something completely bogus that he read on infowars. Hmmm.
 

VRAMdemon

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I wouldn't put it past Trump to repeat these lies. He might imply that it still happened to his base at his weekly rallies, but consider what the ramifications are that this thing has gone international now, and that the US has had to apologize to one of our closest allies over this cluster fuck.

However what I expect is him saying something along the lines of "well what we do know is if "THINGS" happened it would be from places where people possibly live and speak about British things, not saying they did it but things look like if something potentially could have happened it would be awful and British, bad wankers, they are mad they lost the war" or..this was done in the shadows by the shadow govt that Obama is running and of course there are no records of it - this proves that both the shadow govt exists and that Obama did all this evil stuff.

Considering that putting his foot in his mouth in a spectacular way seems to be his super power, I guess it's going to hinge on whether his staff and handlers can keep him from flying off the handle or whether he will just bull ahead to the next fuckup. I give it 75% that he repeats this...

Now that I think about it, Also there's zero possibility of Bannon sitting Trump down for a serious conversation explaining things, if he did he'd be out of the job
 

fskimospy

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Occam's Razor. Either your vast global conspiracy theory is true, or Trump twitted out something completely bogus that he read on infowars. Hmmm.

And the US just formally apologized to the UK for falsely alleging part of his conspiracy theory.

It's amazing how some people never learn.
 

HomerJS

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And the US just formally apologized to the UK for falsely alleging part of his conspiracy theory.

It's amazing how some people never learn.
Next Dems in Congress need to demand a formal apology from Trump to Obama for accusing him of a felony. I'm already assuming Republicans don't have the balls but I may be wrong.
 

fskimospy

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Next Dems in Congress need to demand a formal apology from Trump to Obama for accusing him of a felony. I'm already assuming Republicans don't have the balls but I may be wrong.

Obama seems to have a reasonably credible defamation case against Trump, which is pretty funny considering how often Trump rants about suing other people.

I'm very confident Obama wouldn't pursue it because frankly tangling with Trump is beneath him but it would lead to an amusing legal outcome.
 
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