Originally posted by: Valvoline6
I do support a paper trail BTW. As I have said numerous times. But you are still a loon.
Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: Valvoline6
I do support a paper trail BTW. As I have said numerous times. But you are still a loon.
signed on both counts
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
And you're both wastes of oxygen.
Originally posted by: Valvoline6
I know you are but what am I? :roll: Your getting close to the 4th grade level.
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
And you're both wastes of oxygen.
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Valvoline6
I know you are but what am I? :roll: Your getting close to the 4th grade level.
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
And you're both wastes of oxygen.
Well, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you. :roll:
Originally posted by: Mockery
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Originally posted by: Valvoline6
I know you are but what am I? :roll: Your getting close to the 4th grade level.
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
And you're both wastes of oxygen.
Well, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you. :roll:
You heard it here first.....
This must be some of that nuanced Northern logic we keep hearing about.
Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Well the Southern logic would be to slap your wife, drink your beer, fart, belch and scratch. I'll keep the Northern logic... LOL
Originally posted by: Valvoline6
Don't bother he always has to get the last word. I think getting the last word means he won.
Because no state that used electronic voting required one.Originally posted by: shurato
What I don't understand is why wasn't there a paper trail.
Originally posted by: MDesigner
the fact that Bush hardly campaigned in Ohio
Rademacher, the Cincinnati professor, noted that Kerry and Bush's dozens of visits to Ohio -- 34 for the president and 27 for the senator -- gave voters here a sense that they were ``getting special treatment.''
Originally posted by: klah
Because no state that used electronic voting required one.Originally posted by: shurato
What I don't understand is why wasn't there a paper trail.
There is a bill in the house that would make it mandatory nationally:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.2239:
Originally posted by: Yossarian
that bill is so logical and common sensical I have no doubt it will be struck down.
BREAKING -- SUNDAY Nov. 7 2004: Freedom of Information requests at http://www.blackboxvoting.org have unearthed two Ciber certification reports indicating that security and tamperability was NOT TESTED and that several state elections directors, a secretary of state, and computer consultant Dr. Britain Williams signed off on the report anyway, certifying it.
Black Box Voting has taken the position that fraud took place in the 2004 election through electronic voting machines. We base this on hard evidence, documents obtained in public records requests, inside information, and other data indicative of manipulation of electronic voting systems. What we do not know is the specific scope of the fraud. We are working now to compile the proof, based not on soft evidence -- red flags, exit polls -- but core documents obtained by Black Box Voting in the most massive Freedom of Information action in history.
I was tipped off by a person very high up in TV that the news has been locked down tight, and there will be no TV coverage of the real problems with voting on Nov. 2. Even the journalists are pretty horrified. My source said they've also been forbidden to talk about it even on their own time, and he was calling from somewhere else. He was trying to figure out how to get the real news out on vote fraud.
This is a person I've worked with off and on for nearly two years, and the voice was so somber it really bothered me.
At any rate -- and perhaps, especially important due to the tipoff above, there are things you can do to take back America.
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We have a different list for lawyers, computer people, statisticians. But if you are a regular person like most of us, and want to help, here's what to do.
Please distribute: If you have not done so already, sign up at Black Box Voting -- http://www.blackboxvoting.org -- to audit the election and deal with vote fraud.
HELP AMERICA AUDIT: 5 Things You Can Do Right Now to Reclaim Democracy
You?re our greatest hope. If you choose to accept it, your job is to spread the word in order to build a fast-growing grass roots movement -- a voting integrity project so powerful that it cannot be mowed down.
1. BE THE MEDIA -- See below.
2. CRUNCH THE NUMBERS: Discrepancies please, and hurry. E-mail them to tips@blackboxvoting.org . Pass the word. Need source documents, too. ASAP. Follow your nose, or join the Black Box Scavenger Hunt: Pick a county. Look at small counties, as we are seeing many discrepancies in those. Look in any state. Get the official number of registered voters, Dem and Republican. Get the number of votes cast on Nov. 2, Republican and Dem. Make a grid like this, filling in the right numbers:
# reg. voters % # votes cast %
Rep 100 33% 150 50%
Dem 200 67% 150 50%
Totl 300 100% 300 100%
We can find out a lot from this procedure, very hard data, that will make a real difference. As soon as you have finished a county, e-mail it to us. Do as many counties as you can.
3. HAVE A HOUSE PARTY: Show the film ?Votergate? (the real one, which you can download for free at www.Votergate.tv .) Organize ?Be the media? actions and set up investigative teams to help dig up information like you have in #2. Timeline is NOW, to get action before seating the electoral college.
4. HELP CONNECT THE WIRES: Hook Black Box Voting (.ORG) up with powerhitters you know, people who can make things happen.
5. DONATE to any of 3 organizations: Black Box Voting (.ORG), the consumer protection group for elections; or the new recount fund (information upcoming, contact DU's Hedda_Foil), or send contribution to Votergate.tv (The REAL Votergate film, by Russell Michaels, Robert Carrillo Cohen, and Simon Ardizzone. There is another by someone else, make sure you get the right one.) The real VOTERGATE is the most powerful investigative film on this topic, and consequently it has been attacked and blocked repeatedly. They deserve your support.
?HOW TO BE THE MEDIA?
Don?t expect to see vote burglary on TV. To get the message out fast, you?re going to have to become the underground railroad. Do it now. Take pictures of each other doing it. Have house parties to show others how to do it. Here?s how to ?be the media.?
BE YOUR OWN REPORTER: We will send you new information as we get it. We need your e-mail to get you on the list, so if a friend sent this to you, please shoot an email to crew@blackboxvoting.org to sign up.
Spread the information we send you to every blog, listserv, forum you know and throughout your personal network. Talk about it at work and to people you meet everywhere, lots, quickly, all the time.
SELF SERVE SOUND BITES: Frequent, very short messages to immediately increase public awareness. Assume you won?t see it on TV.
Put vote fraud related messages on:
- Yard signs
- Car windows
- Write them on duct tape and wear them
- Print REMOVABLE stickers and stick them on things:
- Bathroom door at the gas station.
- On telephone poles in the dead of night
- At bus stops
- On the back of bus seats
- Stick them into your junk mail and send it back via return mail
- Slip them into menus at restaurants
- Leave them in books at the bookstore
- Share new self serve sound bite ideas with us and we?ll send them out with new messages.
ELECTION ?TRUTH TOURETTES?. Please excuse the political incorrectness, as it is not meant to be hurtful. It is for a good purpose. This the antidote to ?watch what you say.? It is a good icebreaker at a party. Have your guests make up truths, like those below, and mix them into the conversation at surprise times throughout the party. Unexpectedly and urgently blurt them out:
Recount!
Electile Dysfunction!
Gotta audit-Gotta audit-Gotta audit
Florida!
--mathmatically impossible!--
Count all the votes! Count all the votes! Count all the votes!
Votefraud.
Paperballots! Handcounts!
--where?s my vote?--
Where?s the paper?
Feel free to interchange and mix it up, or even try a game where different people have to interject with different truths.
- WHO REALLY WON -- I DUNNO -- GOTTA AUDIT!
Also, here are more ideas.
- Magnetic signs for your car
- If you know a trucker, have them put a message in the window as they drive across the county.
- Make a patch and put it on the front of your baseball cap
- Carry a sign and stand in the window outside the Today Show
If we have to be our own media, so be it. We will not sacrifice democracy just because TV executive producers have a problem with this issue.
Originally posted by: conjur
And this from Bev Harris:
I was tipped off by a person very high up in TV that the news has been locked down tight, and there will be no TV coverage of the real problems with voting on Nov. 2. Even the journalists are pretty horrified. My source said they've also been forbidden to talk about it even on their own time, and he was calling from somewhere else. He was trying to figure out how to get the real news out on vote fraud.
LOL, you really don't see how sad this is do you?
Why are you laughing? I've heard a couple of interviews of Bev Harris on various broadcasts. She and her organization have found that Diebold is wholly incompetent in proving the security of its systems. It's her research that is getting systems removed from many municipalities because of that lack of security.Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
LOL, you really don't see how sad this is do you?Originally posted by: conjur
And this from Bev Harris:
I was tipped off by a person very high up in TV that the news has been locked down tight, and there will be no TV coverage of the real problems with voting on Nov. 2. Even the journalists are pretty horrified. My source said they've also been forbidden to talk about it even on their own time, and he was calling from somewhere else. He was trying to figure out how to get the real news out on vote fraud.
Originally posted by: conjur
Why are you laughing? I've heard a couple of interviews of Bev Harris on various broadcasts. She and her organization have found that Diebold is wholly incompetent in proving the security of its systems. It's her research that is getting systems removed from many municipalities because of that lack of security.Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
LOL, you really don't see how sad this is do you?Originally posted by: conjur
And this from Bev Harris:
I was tipped off by a person very high up in TV that the news has been locked down tight, and there will be no TV coverage of the real problems with voting on Nov. 2. Even the journalists are pretty horrified. My source said they've also been forbidden to talk about it even on their own time, and he was calling from somewhere else. He was trying to figure out how to get the real news out on vote fraud.
Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Originally posted by: conjur
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