It's official, Nader's running

[ScottMac]

He apparently announced on Meet the Press.

Per Fox's political web site:

Nader Announces

For the non-Fox folks (AP Story)

I hope he has a good security contingent, the Dems are gonna be pretty steamed about this

 

[BarneyFife]

You know that for every presidential election, 2 people come out of hiding. Ralph Nader and Jesse Jackson.

 

[Pabster]

He may give McCain the victory.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: Pabster
He may give McCain the victory.

Doubtful. He only pulled .3% of the vote in 2004. He is even less meaningful today.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: dphantom
Doubtful. He only pulled .3% of the vote in 2004. He is even less meaningful today.

In a very tight election though...

I hope you're right, but the fact of the matter is, Republicans aren't voting for Nader. So he's siphoning votes from the Democratic Nominee.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: dphantom
Doubtful. He only pulled .3% of the vote in 2004. He is even less meaningful today.

In a very tight election though...

I hope you're right, but the fact of the matter is, Republicans aren't voting for Nader. So he's siphoning votes from the Democratic Nominee.

Certainly anything can happen. I just do not see Nader being decisive at this point. He would need to be a significant factor in one or more of the key states like Florida or Ohio. I do not think he has the attraction now as he did in 2000.

 

[Phokus]

McCain doesn't have good support from the base of the Republican party though, they might just stay home.

At least Barack will pull in lots of independents and even some republicans.

 

[dphantom]

Originally posted by: Phokus
McCain doesn't have good support from the base of the Republican party though, they might just stay home.

At least Barack will pull in lots of independents and even some republicans.

I think in the end the Republican base (for the most part) will move to McCain over Obama. I am very unhappy with McCain, but am not sure where I would move to yet. We'll see who the dem candidate ends up as.

 

[aphex]

Does Naderdonkey actually think he has a chance of winning?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Whether Nader could have an impact all depends on who the Dems end up fielding for their candidate. If Obama gets the nod I doubt Ralphie would make a dent. If it's Hillary, however, he presents an alternative for those that can't stand Hillary and would feel too dirty pulling the lever for McCain.

 

[BarneyFife]

I still have this theory that a lot of Republicans are coming out for these primaries and voting Obama just to get rid of Hillary.

 

[techs]

It's official, Nader's running
For when the existing candidates make you wanna Ralph ...

Very nice thread title!

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: dphantom
Doubtful. He only pulled .3% of the vote in 2004. He is even less meaningful today.

In a very tight election though...

I hope you're right, but the fact of the matter is, Republicans aren't voting for Nader. So he's siphoning votes from the Democratic Nominee.

Yep... Pretty much 100% of any Nader votes are going to come from the Dem's pool.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: dphantom
Doubtful. He only pulled .3% of the vote in 2004. He is even less meaningful today.

In a very tight election though...

I hope you're right, but the fact of the matter is, Republicans aren't voting for Nader. So he's siphoning votes from the Democratic Nominee.

Yep... Pretty much 100% of any Nader votes are going to come from the Dem's pool.

I doubt he's getting any votes this time around after 2000 & 2004. All the independents seem to be for Obama. Only the lunatic fringe will vote for Nader this time - and good riddance to them.

 

[Rockinacoustic]

What a schmuck. If the guy really wanted to become President he'd campaign from the very beginning.

 

[Lemon law]

My first and second choices are already out, but I live in a red state unlikely to vote my way anyway. If its even close in my State, the Dems will win by a landslide nationwide.
And if my State is going to go majority McCain anyway, why not vote Nader just to pump up his vote numbers nationwide. Which sends the loud and clear message to the dems that Nader's causes do matter and must be addressed.

But if, even for one mad moment, I thought my one vote mattered, and a vote for Nader could be a vote for McCain, I would certainly vote for the democratic nominee.

 

[ScottMac]

I think doing it the way he is, (he believes) it will give him additional leverage with the Dems, given that he' has shown to be a spoiler in the past.

We'll see.

Now, off to Dallas I go ...

 

[Thump553]

Only under this scenario could Nader's running possibly make a difference:

1) The GOP come together around McCain and he actually pulls within range of winning, and

2) The Dem nominee is Hillary Clinton, and

3) It is widely perceived that Hillary got the Dem nomination through backroom politics/strongarming the superdelegates. Because of this a large portion of Obama supporters are turned off by politics (again) and stay home in November.

The only possibility of #3 happening is Hillary does good on March 4th by taking both Ohio and Texas. I view that as unlikely. Even more unlikely is that she could win those states by enough of a margin.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Originally posted by: BarneyFife
I still have this theory that a lot of Republicans are coming out for these primaries and voting Obama just to get rid of Hillary.

Wouldn't the Republicans come out and vote for the Hildabeast in the primaries in the hopes of strengthening McAmnesty's chances?

Looks like I might have someone to vote for now though I'll probably just stay home unless it's a non-work day. He's more likely to support my positions on immigration, work visas, and offshoring than any of the other three candidates. Isn't that ironic--the most left-wing guy of the four candidates would also be the one who most supports an Americans first policy?

 

[Lemon law]

The real question is can Nader get in on any of the nationally televised debates in the general election? If he can't, many people will not even know he is running.

But it would be educational to see Nader and Ron Paul debate each other.

 

[Eeezee]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The real question is can Nader get in on any of the nationally televised debates in the general election? If he can't, many people will not even know he is running.

But it would be educational to see Nader and Ron Paul debate each other.

Now THAT would be interesting

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
Whether Nader could have an impact all depends on who the Dems end up fielding for their candidate. If Obama gets the nod I doubt Ralphie would make a dent. If it's Hillary, however, he presents an alternative for those that can't stand Hillary and would feel too dirty pulling the lever for McCain.

Exactly.

Under the right circumstances the the only candidate he could possible hurt this go round is McCain.

Originally posted by: Rockinacoustic
What a schmuck. If the guy really wanted to become President he'd campaign from the very beginning.

Nader has a very strong anti-corporatist belief and knows all the DC types are very cozy with lobbyists etc. So, he does have a message. But if he really wanted to get that message out, he wouldv'e been in the debates already (like Kucinich & Paul). He's late to the party and I don't think he should be included in any upcoming debates.

I don't understand what he's doing, or what he thinks he's doing at this point.

Fern

 

[DarkThinker]

LOL I went see if there is anything about this on his wiki and this is how it starts :

(born February 27, 1934, in Winsted, Connecticut) killed Tupac and is a American and who is an attorney,...

Just didn't see it coming heh...

 

[Rockinacoustic]

Originally posted by: Eeezee

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The real question is can Nader get in on any of the nationally televised debates in the general election? If he can't, many people will not even know he is running.

But it would be educational to see Nader and Ron Paul debate each other.

Now THAT would be interesting

It would. If Paul really wants to get his message across, He'd take on a feasible and highly beatable person in Nader instead of kicking a dead horse with McCain and Huckabee.

 

[Drift3r]

He's freaking 73 years old. Anyone voting for him is a freaking moron because this guy has a good chance of not living out his term.