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Miramonti

Lifer
Aug 26, 2000
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WTF? No. Explain to me how I appear drunk? This is a GUY trying to pass off as a WOMAN, for the sole purpose of cheating. When did this become OK?

If that's your point, then tailor your comments accordingly, or you might appear drunk and talking out of your @ss. Master of the engrish language you're apparently not.
 

Azraele

Elite Member
Nov 5, 2000
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WTF? No. Explain to me how I appear drunk? This is a GUY trying to pass off as a WOMAN, for the sole purpose of cheating. When did this become OK?

People are commenting on your blanket statement. By phrasing it the way you did, you make it sound like any woman who can't get pregnant is not a woman. There are many women out there who can't get pregnant for a variety of reasons, yet they are still "women." You came off sounding like a douche.
 

bignateyk

Lifer
Apr 22, 2002
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FWIW she was raised as a women her entire life. shes not trying to pass off as a woman, she is one.

It doesn't matter what it was raised as. It matters what it is. And it is more man than it is woman. It might not be entirely a man, but if its body produces testosterone, then it should be disqualified from competing as a woman.

The only exception I could see is in elementary school where you still care about hurting peoples feelings.
 

Krazy4Real

Lifer
Oct 3, 2003
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The 18-year-old South African Semenya has no womb or ovaries, and has testosterone levels that are more than three times higher than those of a normal female, and he has testes that never descended, making him more a man than a woman.
Sounds to me like an unfair advantage. I don't think he should be allowed to compete as a woman. World records are going to end up being unattainable for normal women to come close to.

It sucks, and I feel sorry for "her", but that's what I think.
 

Tsaico

Platinum Member
Oct 21, 2000
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FWIW she was raised as a women her entire life. shes not trying to pass off as a woman, she is one.

Also, I do not beleive she was born with testicles... That was why the origional medical exams were not conclusive and more invasive testing needed to be done. There are birth defects all the time that can cause the gender lines to be blurred. So the lack of ovaries (which has never been stated she has a problem or are missing for that matter, or that she is even having a fertility problem ie:testicle instead of ovaries, or lack of uterus, since even a surgically altered man-to-woman will still not have one) doesn't make or exclude her being a woman.

IIRC, I also think there is no specific gender test available that is scientifically accurate. Other than, penis pesent? - true/false, the rest are a mixed bag of accurate suggestions.

Everything I have read, the posts of the readers are the ones claiming she has undecended testicles not the article itself.
 
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kami333

Diamond Member
Dec 12, 2001
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It doesn't matter what it was raised as. It matters what it is. And it is more man than it is woman. It might not be entirely a man, but if its body produces testosterone, then it should be disqualified from competing as a woman.

You do realize that females normally produce some amount of testosterone, right?

You could start assigning a threshold but it would be just that, an arbitrary number.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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At least the PGA stepped up years ago and didnt allow a "handicaped" person to play the tour if he used a golf cart. Walking a squillion yards IS part of the game and the endurance. If you never walked it, then you cant comment.

Actually, if his lawyers had won, I was going to use that as basis for my grounds into the MLB. I cannot hit a fastball. Why? Ummm, cause I have a birth defect that doesnt allow my neurons to fire rapidly enough. So, if he won, I was going to sue to play in the show with the caveat no one can pitch anything over 85 to me. ;-)

I don't know what rock you've been living under, but Casey Martin DID win his case. It went as far as the Supreme Court and they upheld the lower courts ruling that he be allowed to use a cart. As a golfer I thought it was a bullshit decision and that riding gives a player an advantage, especially in hot weather and on hilly courses. Ultimately it was irrelevant to Martin as he failed to keep his card even with the cart, he dropped back to the Nationwide Tour for a few years and eventually lost his card there too. He's now a college golf coach.

But good news for you, eh? Now you can sue baseball. Or were you just talking out of your ass?
 

Drako

Lifer
Jun 9, 2007
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I'm just curious how someone with no ovaries or womb can be classified as female?
 

Drako

Lifer
Jun 9, 2007
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the same way someone without a penis and balls can be classified as a male

gender identity trumps physical identity

Great!

Now the Olympics is going to have mens events, and transvestite events .
 

AreaCode707

Lifer
Sep 21, 2001
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It doesn't matter what it was raised as. It matters what it is. And it is more man than it is woman. It might not be entirely a man, but if its body produces testosterone, then it should be disqualified from competing as a woman.

The only exception I could see is in elementary school where you still care about hurting peoples feelings.

All human bodies produce testosterone. Males generally produce more than women but some women produce more than some men. Where do you draw the line saying "x amount of testosterone makes you male"? I can guarantee that there will be women born, totally naturally, that produce more than that arbitrary amount of testosterone.
 

bignateyk

Lifer
Apr 22, 2002
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All human bodies produce testosterone. Males generally produce more than women but some women produce more than some men. Where do you draw the line saying "x amount of testosterone makes you male"? I can guarantee that there will be women born, totally naturally, that produce more than that arbitrary amount of testosterone.

What I meant to say was that if your body contains testicles, you can't be a woman.
 

Keeper

Senior member
Mar 9, 2005
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I don't know what rock you've been living under, but Casey Martin DID win his case. It went as far as the Supreme Court and they upheld the lower courts ruling that he be allowed to use a cart. As a golfer I thought it was a bullshit decision and that riding gives a player an advantage, especially in hot weather and on hilly courses. Ultimately it was irrelevant to Martin as he failed to keep his card even with the cart, he dropped back to the Nationwide Tour for a few years and eventually lost his card there too. He's now a college golf coach.

But good news for you, eh? Now you can sue baseball. Or were you just talking out of your ass?

Wow, I must have missed the court ruling... BUT I was speaking more to the PGA decision. Never a court decison as I thought he lost. So I missed that... He was just another whiner crying its not fair... I cant compete...

Oh well, such is life.

Man, you get angry quick. I was being a bit over the top for effect.
Really, try a bran muffin... You'll feel better.
 
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lupi

Lifer
Apr 8, 2001
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Feel sorry for the actual woman he will be competing against.
 

GagHalfrunt

Lifer
Apr 19, 2001
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Wow, I must have missed the court ruling... BUT I was speaking more to the PGA decision. Never a court decison as I thought he lost. So I missed that... He was just another whiner crying its not fair... I cant compete...

Oh well, such is life.

Man, you get angry quick. I was being a bit over the top for effect.
Really, try a bran muffin... You'll feel better.


I will if you agree to grow a brain. Deal?
 
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