Its official: Trump is the antichrist

[Greenman]

Clearly we have different views on the subject. One thing is certain though, we will never have free/cheap quality healthcare for the total population of the United States. Just the hard reality of life 🤷‍♂️

My brother is suffering through Canadian health care right now. It ain't pretty.

 

[dank69]

My brother is suffering through Canadian health care right now. It ain't pretty.

Driven to bankruptcy? That sucks.

 

[renz20003]

Healthcare would probably be more affordable if we didn't have a bunch of scumbags that don't pay their bills and stiff the system. Don't blame me, I work hard and pay my bills and taxes the result was a life I'm happy with.

 

[sandorski]

Healthcare would probably be more affordable if we didn't have a bunch of scumbags that don't pay their bills and stiff the system. Don't blame me, I work hard and pay my bills and taxes the result was a life I'm happy with.

"Probably" is doing all the work and is completely unnecessary to rely on. We have Data.

 

[brycejones]

Healthcare would probably be more affordable if we didn't have a bunch of scumbags that don't pay their bills and stiff the system. Don't blame me, I work hard and pay my bills and taxes the result was a life I'm happy with.

Well now you've just shoved your head up your ass. Good job!

 

[renz20003]

Well now you've just shoved your head up your ass. Good job!

No I have my head shoved up the American dreams ass. It's a nice place to be. Maybe one day all the bleeding hearts will realize that.

 

[IronWing]

Healthcare would probably be more affordable if we didn't have a bunch of scumbags that don't pay their bills and stiff the system. Don't blame me, I work hard and pay my bills and taxes the result was a life I'm happy with.

Go to a single payer system and no one will stiff the system.

Incidentally, I've had two medical bills go to collections. The first went to collections after I paid it. When the collections agency called, I sent a copy of the cancelled check, end of story. The second got sent to collections before the provider ever sent a bill to the insurance company or me.

You know why? Because the medical providers make more money if they sell a full-rate bill to a collector than they do if they settle for the insurance company negotiated rate. Remember that the full rate numbers are pulled out of the providers' asses.

The American healthcare system is broken by the rapacious greed of the providers and the health insurance industry. It is a cancer on the American economy.

 

[nakedfrog]

Healthcare would probably be more affordable if we didn't have a bunch of scumbags that don't pay their bills and stiff the system. Don't blame me, I work hard and pay my bills and taxes the result was a life I'm happy with.

Don't suppose you've got anything to support this theory beyond feels?

 

[brycejones]

No I have my head shoved up the American dreams ass. It's a nice place to be. Maybe one day all the bleeding hearts will realize that.

See it didn’t take much for the FYGM to come out.

 

[APU_Fusion]

Ain't nothing free. Poor people are poor because of addictions, bad choices growing up, and not having any drive in life.

I'm not paying for their ignorance.

Lmao. I bet you convinced yourself you are an exemplary Christian. Wow, you are the definition of everything Jesus taught against.

You think it is only the poor that can’t afford health insurance? You are clueless and evil.

 

[renz20003]

Don't suppose you've got anything to support this theory beyond feels?

Yes, unpaid medical bills contribute to higher healthcare costs in a few ways. Hospitals and other providers may:

* Raise prices to offset uncollected bills.
* Spend more time and resources on collecting payments.
* Be more likely to deny care to uninsured or underinsured patients.

This can lead to higher overall healthcare costs for everyone.

The burden of medical debt in the United States - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

Despite over 90% of the United States population having some form of health insurance, medical debt remains a persistent problem. This analysis shows that 20 million people (nearly 1 in 12 adults) owe medical debt.

www.healthsystemtracker.org

 

[APU_Fusion]

No I have my head shoved up the American dreams ass. It's a nice place to be. Maybe one day all the bleeding hearts will realize that.

Yep. There it is. Got mine fuck you. Ignorant as a stump.

Yes, unpaid medical bills contribute to higher healthcare costs in a few ways. Hospitals and other providers may:

* Raise prices to offset uncollected bills.
* Spend more time and resources on collecting payments.
* Be more likely to deny care to uninsured or underinsured patients.

This can lead to higher overall healthcare costs for everyone.

The burden of medical debt in the United States - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

Despite over 90% of the United States population having some form of health insurance, medical debt remains a persistent problem. This analysis shows that 20 million people (nearly 1 in 12 adults) owe medical debt.

www.healthsystemtracker.org

If only we had a single payer system to resolve that. Thank you dumb ass for making our argument for us. You are certainly a dumb. I bet you proclaim yourself a follower of Christ too.

The fact you think it is poor people and “scumbags” who are the only one’s with medical debt shows you to be ignorant and evil.

 

[renz20003]

Yep. There it is. Got mine fuck you. Ignorant as a stump.

If only we had a single payer system to resolve that. Thank you dumb ass for making our argument for us. You are certainly a dumb. I bet you proclaim yourself a follower of Christ too.

The fact you think it is poor people and “scumbags” who are the only one’s with medical debt shows you to be ignorant and evil.

A single-payer health system can potentially lead to:

* **Increased wait times:** Due to limited resources, patients might experience delays in receiving non-emergency care.

* **Reduced choice:** Patients may have fewer options for doctors and specialists compared to a private insurance system.

* **Higher taxes:** Funding for a single-payer system would likely come from increased taxes.

* **Potential for innovation slowdown:** Reduced competition in the healthcare sector could slow down medical innovation.

 

[Brainonska511]

* **Increased wait times:** Due to limited resources, patients might experience delays in receiving non-emergency care.

Extended wait times are already a reality in the US for many services, and it's largely driven by a lack of providers (thanks AMA and Congress for not increasing the numbers of residency slots).

I had to wait 6 months when I scheduled an opthalmologist appointment in a major metro area. My mom had to wait 2 months to see an orthopedist for a hip replacement because of scheduling, and was only able to get the surgery shortly thereafter because of a cancellation. My wife has had to book primary care visits months out.

 

[sandorski]

A single-payer health system can potentially lead to:

* **Increased wait times:** Due to limited resources, patients might experience delays in receiving non-emergency care.

* **Reduced choice:** Patients may have fewer options for doctors and specialists compared to a private insurance system.

* **Higher taxes:** Funding for a single-payer system would likely come from increased taxes.

* **Potential for innovation slowdown:** Reduced competition in the healthcare sector could slow down medical innovation.

Or not.

 

[APU_Fusion]

A single-payer health system can potentially lead to:

* **Increased wait times:** Due to limited resources, patients might experience delays in receiving non-emergency care.

* **Reduced choice:** Patients may have fewer options for doctors and specialists compared to a private insurance system.

* **Higher taxes:** Funding for a single-payer system would likely come from increased taxes.

* **Potential for innovation slowdown:** Reduced competition in the healthcare sector could slow down medical innovation.

lol. So there are no solutions yet you list the problems and are unwilling to address anything. You are obvious right wing concern troll.

Increased wait times? Solvable. Mix of single payer and Cadillac services. You think there are not massive wait times now. Hahnahahahahahahahan

Reduced choice - false - single payer system with Cadillac private health care. I personally want a healthy proactive workforce who actually goes to the doctor before they are dying but you obviously don’t.

Higher taxes? Hahahaha. Raise taxes on the wealthy and corporations to some semblance of sanity. Maybe redirect some of that 850 billion military budget.

innovation slowdown? Hahahahahahah. Drug companies make 3000% profit in America instead of 3000000% profit. The only innovation drop will be the the yacht purchases by the executives. Of course increasing competition by enforcing regulatory rules where we don’t get oligarchies always drives down competition right? 🙄 You are full of right wing propaganda bullshit.

These are solvable problems. You are evil. I am not a bleeding heart but I am a decent human being. For me, a strong healthy workforce is preferable to a sick workforce but you do you.

 

[nakedfrog]

A single-payer health system can potentially lead to:

* **Increased wait times:** Due to limited resources, patients might experience delays in receiving non-emergency care.

* **Reduced choice:** Patients may have fewer options for doctors and specialists compared to a private insurance system.

* **Higher taxes:** Funding for a single-payer system would likely come from increased taxes.

* **Potential for innovation slowdown:** Reduced competition in the healthcare sector could slow down medical innovation.

I've already experienced the first two with private insurance. The third one for some reason doesn't mention the taxes being offset by not paying a monthly premium and then thousands in deductibles in order to access healthcare. The last one is "potential".

 

[APU_Fusion]

I've already experienced the first two with private insurance. The third one for some reason doesn't mention the taxes being offset by not paying a monthly premium and then thousands in deductibles in order to access healthcare. The last one is "potential".

REN is not interested in real solutions. He is interested in feeling superior to the poors and the scums because Fox News told him too. He hates his fellow Americans as is obvious. I think he is good candidate for ignore.

 

[Fenixgoon]

A single-payer health system can potentially lead to:

* **Increased wait times:** Due to limited resources, patients might experience delays in receiving non-emergency care.

* **Reduced choice:** Patients may have fewer options for doctors and specialists compared to a private insurance system.

* **Higher taxes:** Funding for a single-payer system would likely come from increased taxes.

* **Potential for innovation slowdown:** Reduced competition in the healthcare sector could slow down medical innovation.

Can. Doesn't mean it will.

However:

How do wait times under a hypothetical UHS compare to wait times now?

How will choices be reduced when my only choices are doctors that are in my network, and I only have the choice of 1 network?

Higher taxes: theoretically yes. But if the cost of taxes is less than the cost of healthcare expenses, then that's a net positive. And even the most conservative analyses have shown a net savings on 10 year health expenses compared to baseline.

Potential innovation slowdown - not necessarily. Having worked at an orthopedics company, there are products sold outside the US that are not available here purely because the company did not want to run a clinical trial in the US and viewed the regulatory situation as negative (despite excellent patient outcomes within the international trials at large).

On the other hand, we currently have the highest per capital health spending, we don't have the best outcomes despite that spending, and we don't even insure the entire population

 

[renz20003]

Can. Doesn't mean it will.

However:

How do wait times under a hypothetical UHS compare to wait times now?

How will choices be reduced when my only choices are doctors that are in my network, and I only have the choice of 1 network?

Higher taxes: theoretically yes. But if the cost of taxes is less than the cost of healthcare expenses, then that's a net positive. And even the most conservative analyses have shown a net savings on 10 year health expenses compared to baseline.

Potential innovation slowdown - not necessarily. Having worked at an orthopedics company, there are products sold outside the US that are not available here purely because the company did not want to run a clinical trial in the US and viewed the regulatory situation as negative (despite excellent patient outcomes within the international trials at large).

On the other hand, we currently have the highest per capital health spending, we don't have the best outcomes despite that spending, and we don't even insure the entire population

I think we should try

* **Expanding health insurance coverage:** Ensuring broader access to preventive and necessary medical care.

* **Focusing on preventative care:** Early detection and management of chronic conditions can improve health and reduce long-term costs.

* **Addressing social determinants of health:** Factors like income, education, and housing can significantly impact health outcomes.

* **Controlling healthcare costs:** Exploring ways to reduce administrative burdens and promote competition within the healthcare system.

 

[nakedfrog]

Yeah but it's poor people's own stupid fault they're poor, remember? ￣\＿(シ)＿/￣

 

[renz20003]

Yeah but it's poor people's own stupid fault they're poor, remember? ￣\＿(シ)＿/￣

We have strayed away from the topic at hand. Trump is the beast of the land. If he decides to change the financial system take it as the sign of the end times

 

[IronWing]

I think we should try

* **Expanding health insurance coverage:** Ensuring broader access to preventive and necessary medical care.

* **Focusing on preventative care:** Early detection and management of chronic conditions can improve health and reduce long-term costs.

* **Addressing social determinants of health:** Factors like income, education, and housing can significantly impact health outcomes.

* **Controlling healthcare costs:** Exploring ways to reduce administrative burdens and promote competition within the healthcare system.

On the first bullet: Why? Why throw more money at the greedy insurance industry when it has no economic reason to exist? Single payer covers everyone in a far more efficient manner than the current balkanized system of extortionist fiefdoms. The private health insurance scheme is sucking the lifeblood out of the American economy.

The last three are good ideas that can be implemented in a single payer system more efficiently than in the current money grab system.

 

[Fenixgoon]

I think we should try

* **Expanding health insurance coverage:** Ensuring broader access to preventive and necessary medical care.

* **Focusing on preventative care:** Early detection and management of chronic conditions can improve health and reduce long-term costs.

* **Addressing social determinants of health:** Factors like income, education, and housing can significantly impact health outcomes.

* **Controlling healthcare costs:** Exploring ways to reduce administrative burdens and promote competition within the healthcare system.

If only there were a way to leverage the entire country's population when it comes to medical care and costs, and simultaneously reduce the overhead associated with the numerous insurance providers and systems. It's like if there were one system that everyone used, there would be a massive decrease in administrative costs and we could also have that system negotiate prices for everyone! And because.of the reduces costs, we could expand coverage! Wouldn't that be a thing!

 

[nakedfrog]

We have strayed away from the topic at hand. Trump is the beast of the land. If he decides to change the financial system take it as the sign of the end times

He didn't sustain a nearly fatal head wound though. We don't need to rely on Biblical prophecy to be able to tell that he's a horrible person, simply examining his past deeds and actions is all you need for that.