It's official.

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
Nope there one quater behind. Q1 2006. Your off....Again

What is quater?

And, actually, you're wrong (again). AMD's FAB36 isn't even tooled out with 65nm yet.

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: clarkey01
Nope there one quater behind. Q1 2006. Your off....Again

What is quater?

And, actually, you're wrong (again). AMD's FAB36 isn't even tooled out with 65nm yet.

Its on track for Q1 2006.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20050408081329.html

Thats not a year behind. I know you'd like it if FAB 30/36 burned down to the ground and AMD went of business but thats not going to happen for a good while. They dont use preshotts for a start which ensures no fires

Your wrong.

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: clarkey01
Nope there one quater behind. Q1 2006. Your off....Again

What is quater?

And, actually, you're wrong (again). AMD's FAB36 isn't even tooled out with 65nm yet.

FAB 36 is built for 65nm you fool, it's not being converted. It is already tooled out, testing and qualifcation is underway.

Your wrong again.

 

[Vegitto]

People, people, let's not turn this thread which describes one of the most glorious of events in history into an AMD Vs. Intel thread, please.

 

[Bartokomus]

^What he said; been running my rev C Northwood for years, but it's going to be retired for the cheapest X2 i can find later this year.

 

[Vegitto]

Originally posted by: Bartokomus
^What he said; been running my rev C Northwood for years, but it's going to be retired for the cheapest X2 i can find later this year.

See, people? Intel and AMD users, unite!

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Vegitto

Originally posted by: Bartokomus
^What he said; been running my rev C Northwood for years, but it's going to be retired for the cheapest X2 i can find later this year.

See, people? Intel and AMD users, unite!

Nah he's just smart and prudent...buy the best processor every couple three years and stay fast all the time. 3.5C is no sloutch..about equivalent to a 560 and a 3500 A64.

X2 is another "two year" build easy..

Only thing I'm cencerned with is these 3800 clockability.. they say 1.4V which is strange considering the higher clocked ones were 1.2-1.3. I hope these wernt duds and got remarked at lower grades.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Vegitto

Originally posted by: Bartokomus
^What he said; been running my rev C Northwood for years, but it's going to be retired for the cheapest X2 i can find later this year.

See, people? Intel and AMD users, unite!

X2 is another "two year" build easy..

My guess is u will talk the same about M2 in ten months from now.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Vegitto

Originally posted by: Bartokomus
^What he said; been running my rev C Northwood for years, but it's going to be retired for the cheapest X2 i can find later this year.

See, people? Intel and AMD users, unite!

Nah he's just smart and prudent...buy the best processor every couple three years and stay fast all the time. 3.5C is no sloutch..about equivalent to a 560 and a 3500 A64.

X2 is another "two year" build easy..

Only thing I'm cencerned with is these 3800 clockability.. they say 1.4V which is strange considering the higher clocked ones were 1.2-1.3. I hope these wernt duds and got remarked at lower grades.

Where have you seen 1.2 and 1.3v markings??? All X2's to date are 1.35v as according to AMD's own site...MOst boards are undervolting or not fully compliat yet so many see low vcore at default...I see 1.296v but that is no surprise since this board undervolts .06v like it did with my winnie....

I share your concern if they are listed at 1.4v at that speed...I tested mine at 1.36v at 2.4ghz and it passed 4 hours of dual prime in limited testing....Not a good sign at all...These may not even make it to 2.2ghz...

I have a real feeling this are chips with possibly one semi weak core...I wish there was a way to OC cores individually. They dont share cache but maybe it has to do with one single memory controller...

 

[Zebo]

Ahh so it's undervolting I see in all those reviews... either way they had 4800's running on 1.26.. seiously doubt these will@2400..that's why I went and jumped on the 4200+ deal..

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: BlingBlingArsch

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Vegitto

Originally posted by: Bartokomus
^What he said; been running my rev C Northwood for years, but it's going to be retired for the cheapest X2 i can find later this year.

See, people? Intel and AMD users, unite!

X2 is another "two year" build easy..

My guess is u will talk the same about M2 in ten months from now.

STFUB- I already said M2 is a POS due to throttle potential

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Ahh so it's undervolting I see in all those reviews... either way they had 4800's running on 1.26.. seiously doubt these will@2400..that's why I went and jumped on the 4200+ deal..

I agree with you there......

Like I said mine at stock vcore would read as 1.296v with cpu_z......I have seen some other boards reading 1.26v and maybe even drop under load...The MSI board actually loads up .02v under heavy load...

 

[Hard Ball]

Originally posted by: Zebo
STFUB- I already said M2 is a POS due to throttle potential

Of course, no one really know the real story behind the curtain yet. But it seems as though M2 Windsor/Orlean's (F revision of K8) will be only a temporary solution coming in late second quarter of next year. And it is likely that we will see K9 + FBDIMM (probably also Quad Core) out sometime in Q4 of 06 or Q1 or 07; perhaps on S1207, same as the next gen opterons. Then again, AMD may hold off the release of desktop K9 parts until later, since they would need every chip from Fab36 to be Opteron initially to fill the demand on server/workstation market.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
FAB 36 is built for 65nm you fool, it's not being converted. It is already tooled out, testing and qualifcation is underway.

Ok, Clarkey. Whatever you say ... <PLONK>

Intel has had 65nm chips IN PRODUCTION for MONTHS. In fact, 65nm Yonahs are already floating around. FAB36 isn't even finished yet. Hence, the not tooled comment. So unless you can provide some evidence<-- to the contrary...

Edit: Forgot to mention that your "built for 65nm" facility is currently pumping out 90nm chips

Your wrong again.

AMD fanboys really have trouble with their grammar skills...

 

[Markfw]

Intel fanboys have a problem with reality......

 

[Rock Hydra]

Originally posted by: CrystalBay
$436 converted dollars for that X2 3800 at that Austrian shop.

Damn. I was hoping it would be at least under 400. Hopefully that ULI chipset will be out by the time I can afford to buy one of these.

 

[Furen]

Thermal throttling is a feature, not a drawback. It keeps your cpu from turning to carbon when your operating temperature is too high, so if your fan fell off the heatsink or something your cpu wouldnt fry. It's just that intel abused this to be able to ship the higher clock speed cpus without having to redesign the its 90nm core. I mean, if your cpu idles at 40 C and loaded hits 60 C, does it truly matter that your cpu would throttle if it ever got to 70 C? The bad thing about throttling is not the throttling itself, but rather that the P4's normal operating temperature is WAY too close to the throttling point and I'm hoping AMD wont do the same thing. Buying an M2 that CAN throttle wont make it suddenly become a piece of crap, I'm actually more worried about how DDR2 latency will affect K8 performance (or K9 in the case of dual-core)

 

[Bushman5]

man i cant wait to get onbe of these, i was gonna go with the 4400+ when it was around 500 grrrrrrrr bastards

 

[rgreen83]

Originally posted by: Pabster
Heh, AMD isn't that far along on 65nm production. They're about a YEAR behind Intel, who is already etching 65nm dies

LOL
Just had to grab that one for myself! So if Intel is suggesting it could possibly ship a few 65nm cpus by 4Q05 and volume 1Q06, then AMD should do the same 4Q06 and 1Q07? Feel free to continue your testing with your reality distortion engine, I have my tinfoil hat on!

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: clarkey01
FAB 36 is built for 65nm you fool, it's not being converted. It is already tooled out, testing and qualifcation is underway.

Ok, Clarkey. Whatever you say ... <PLONK>

Intel has had 65nm chips IN PRODUCTION for MONTHS. In fact, 65nm Yonahs are already floating around. FAB36 isn't even finished yet. Hence, the not tooled comment. So unless you can provide some evidence<-- to the contrary...

Edit: Forgot to mention that your "built for 65nm" facility is currently pumping out 90nm chips

Your wrong again.

AMD fanboys really have trouble with their grammar skills...

Ppl who have no real argument or clue usually go on the grammar attack.....

 

[clarkey01]

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20050408081329.html

"AMD Qualifies Production of 65nm Logic on 300mm Wafers."

"Processor manufacturer Advanced Micro Devices said in an interview that it had started running test production in its Fab 36"

That was in april.The building itself was done by the end of 2004. How can they test a fab if its not tooled?.

I know your dream is for AMD to die and for thier fabs to burn down to the ground, well too bad thier not using preshott's because it's not going to happen anytime soon.

FAB 30 is the only fab pumping out 90NM chips, FAB 36 has 65nm equipment inside. I know it breaks your heart, but such is life pabster.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: clarkey01

That was in april.The building itself was done by the end of 2004. How can they test a fab if its not tooled?.

You see anyone running around with 65nm AMD chips? Do you know why?

I know your dream is for AMD to die and for thier fabs to burn down to the ground, well too bad thier not using preshott's because it's not going to happen anytime soon.

Get a grip. I don't wish any harm to AMD. I'm just tired of the fanboys spreading FUD.

FAB 30 is the only fab pumping out 90NM chips, FAB 36 has 65nm equipment inside. I know it breaks your heart, but such is life pabster.

Wrong again.

Look here. AMD "testing" 90nm process in FAB36

And Here is an interesting Yahoo Finance piece that suggests AMD won't be producing any significant volume out of FAB36 (65nm) until 18 months.

Perhaps if you'd read a little you'd have a clue. These "first tests" you speak of in FAB36 around the March timeframe were on 90nm dies not 65nm.

Do a little research, Clarkey, before spreading your FUD. I know you'd like to believe AMD is somehow ahead of Intel and that Intel doesn't really have 65nm chips floating around already, but to believe such crap is a severe distortion of reality.

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: clarkey01

That was in april.The building itself was done by the end of 2004. How can they test a fab if its not tooled?.

You see anyone running around with 65nm AMD chips? Do you know why?

I know your dream is for AMD to die and for thier fabs to burn down to the ground, well too bad thier not using preshott's because it's not going to happen anytime soon.

Get a grip. I don't wish any harm to AMD. I'm just tired of the fanboys spreading FUD.

FAB 30 is the only fab pumping out 90NM chips, FAB 36 has 65nm equipment inside. I know it breaks your heart, but such is life pabster.

Wrong again.

Look here. AMD "testing" 90nm process in FAB36

And Here is an interesting Yahoo Finance piece that suggests AMD won't be producing any significant volume out of FAB36 (65nm) until 18 months.

Perhaps if you'd read a little you'd have a clue. These "first tests" you speak of in FAB36 around the March timeframe were on 90nm dies not 65nm.

Do a little research, Clarkey, before spreading your FUD. I know you'd like to believe AMD is somehow ahead of Intel and that Intel doesn't really have 65nm chips floating around already, but to believe such crap is a severe distortion of reality.

Where does it say there testing 90nm dies in FAB 36 ? that only happend in FAB 30, 65nm tech is ALL thats in FAB 36. Read that link again. Yes FAB 36 is tooled, how can they be testing ?!!!!!.

How can I be a fanboy when Im ordering a pentium M laptop ?

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
Where does it say there testing 90nm dies in FAB 36 ? that only happend in FAB 30, 65nm tech is ALL thats in FAB 36. Read that link again. Yes FAB 36 is tooled, how can they be testing ?!!!!!.

Read a bit closer. Note the part where some AMD executive says that "pushing 90nm dies" through FAB36 will be a good way to "test it out" and they can convert "easily" to 65nm later on. (He didn't give any specific time-frame.)

How can I be a fanboy when Im ordering a pentium M laptop ?

I'm sure it broke your heart too

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: clarkey01
Where does it say there testing 90nm dies in FAB 36 ? that only happend in FAB 30, 65nm tech is ALL thats in FAB 36. Read that link again. Yes FAB 36 is tooled, how can they be testing ?!!!!!.

Read a bit closer. Note the part where some AMD executive says that "pushing 90nm dies" through FAB36 will be a good way to "test it out" and they can convert "easily" to 65nm later on. (He didn't give any specific time-frame.)

How can I be a fanboy when Im ordering a pentium M laptop ?

I'm sure it broke your heart too

Could be worse, I could be stuck with a prescott, a hot, under performing chip which failed to meets its targets. Instead I have the cream of the crop and soon a decent laptop.