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[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: clarkey01
Where does it say there testing 90nm dies in FAB 36 ? that only happend in FAB 30, 65nm tech is ALL thats in FAB 36. Read that link again. Yes FAB 36 is tooled, how can they be testing ?!!!!!.

Read a bit closer. Note the part where some AMD executive says that "pushing 90nm dies" through FAB36 will be a good way to "test it out" and they can convert "easily" to 65nm later on. (He didn't give any specific time-frame.)

How can I be a fanboy when Im ordering a pentium M laptop ?

I'm sure it broke your heart too

Where the hell does it say "pushing 90nm dies" through FAB36 will be a good way to "test it out" and they can convert "easily" to 65nm later on. (He didn't give any specific time-frame.)"
In here : http://eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=160502234

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
Where the hell does it say "pushing 90nm dies" through FAB36 will be a good way to "test it out" and they can convert "easily" to 65nm later on. (He didn't give any specific time-frame.)"
In here : http://eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=160502234

Perhaps you need to read.

I'll quote the last paragraph:

"Sonderman added that AMD engineers are helping Singapore foundry Chartered Semiconductor Manufacturing install the APM system in CHartered's 300-mm wafer fab along with an AMD 90-nm SOI process. Sonderman said that running 90-nm circuits on 300-mm wafers with Chartered would also help build up useful experience.

I was paraphrasing. Don't you agree that "running 90nm circuits on 300mm wafers would also help build up useful experience" translates roughly into what I said?

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: clarkey01
Where the hell does it say "pushing 90nm dies" through FAB36 will be a good way to "test it out" and they can convert "easily" to 65nm later on. (He didn't give any specific time-frame.)"
In here : http://eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=160502234

Perhaps you need to read.

I'll quote the last paragraph:

"Sonderman added that AMD engineers are helping Singapore foundry Chartered Semiconductor Manufacturing install the APM system in CHartered's 300-mm wafer fab along with an AMD 90-nm SOI process. Sonderman said that running 90-nm circuits on 300-mm wafers with Chartered would also help build up useful experience.

I was paraphrasing. Don't you agree that "running 90nm circuits on 300mm wafers would also help build up useful experience" translates roughly into what I said?

Thats not FAB 36!!!!!!!! JESUS. "singapore foundry!" NOT FAB 36.

 

[imported_Frallan]

Well thats pretty much in line w. what I have read as well:

German government has approved of the tech export to Singapore that will boost the 90nm mfg

Fab 36 is allready spitting out 65 nm parts at least for testing (however maybe not CPU cores)

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
Thats not FAB 36!!!!!!!! JESUS. "singapore foundry!" NOT FAB 36.

You don't read and comprehend very well.

He was speaking about assisting a foundry in Signapore. BUT he mentions at the very end that throwing 90nm dies on 300mm wafers (WHICH IS WHAT FAB36 IS DOING NOW) will give AMD valuable experience. What don't you understand here Clarkey?

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: Frallan
Well thats pretty much in line w. what I have read as well:

German government has approved of the tech export to Singapore that will boost the 90nm mfg

Fab 36 is allready spitting out 65 nm parts at least for testing (however maybe not CPU cores)

Thank you so, so very much. Thank you, really I mean it, thank you. I couldn?t get it across to pabster. The problem was he said AMD were a year behind, FAB 36 was nowhere finished, and that there was 90nm production going on in there. Wrong on all 3 counts. Completely, utterly wrong, and what?s worse and hence the reason I?m making a huge fuss is that he swore blindly and tried and failed to make himself been seen as the know all and bearer of all CPU/fabrication knowledge. The fact he runs a Prescott and not a Northwood or Pentium M shows his intelligence. Anyone who doesn?t like what I just said about Prescott tough, challenge me on it.

Anyone how:

1. Intel?s 65nm products hit this year in Q4. AMD's 65nm comes in Q1 2006. That?s not a year behind.

2. Fab 36 is in testing with 300mm wafers and has been since march. The building was finished late 2004. Installation of equipment and testing has gone on since. It's on track.

3. There is only 65nm tech in there, YES, that means NO 90nm production or testing. Maybe in Singapore with charter? or whoever it is with there fab but not FAB 36. It was built to start with 65nm tech. Not 90nm. I can?t stress it enough..

4. Fanboy ? How can where I was seriously contemplating purchasing a Pentium M laptop ? I?ve gone with turion due to the lower price, 64 bit and almost identical battery life. If Intel has something significantly faster, cheaper, cool, and all rounded I?d jump in a heart beat I really would. Sick of this labeling. I buy whatever the f*ck I want. And so what If I look favorable on AMD? My prerogative, if I?m overlooking performance and price due to company loyalties then you can call me a fanboy. I have a rig with performance which Intel wont be able to match for some months. So Pabster, Intelia and the other few that love to have a dig, bl*w me.

 

[Markfw]

I found this link while looking at another one linked here. Interesting...
AMD's Opteron decimates Xeon market

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
Thank you so, so very much. Thank you, really I mean it, thank you. I couldn?t get it across to pabster. The problem was he said AMD were a year behind, FAB 36 was nowhere finished, and that there was 90nm production going on in there. Wrong on all 3 counts. Completely, utterly wrong, and what?s worse and hence the reason I?m making a huge fuss is that he swore blindly and tried and failed to make himself been seen as the know all and bearer of all CPU/fabrication knowledge. The fact he runs a Prescott and not a Northwood or Pentium M shows his intelligence. Anyone who doesn?t like what I just said about Prescott tough, challenge me on it.

OK let's see. Intel already has 65nm Yonah samples. This is Q3 '05. AMD (at best) will have something Q2 '06. Do you want me to say they are 7-9 months behind? Does that make you feel any better?

1. Intel?s 65nm products hit this year in Q4. AMD's 65nm comes in Q1 2006. That?s not a year behind.

Bogus. AMD's own claims state hopefully Q2 06.

2. Fab 36 is in testing with 300mm wafers and has been since march. The building was finished late 2004. Installation of equipment and testing has gone on since. It's on track.

Deluded Reality.

3. There is only 65nm tech in there, YES, that means NO 90nm production or testing. Maybe in Singapore with charter? or whoever it is with there fab but not FAB 36. It was built to start with 65nm tech. Not 90nm. I can?t stress it enough..

Believe whatever you'd like, Clarkey.

4. Fanboy ? How can where I was seriously contemplating purchasing a Pentium M laptop ? I?ve gone with turion due to the lower price, 64 bit and almost identical battery life. If Intel has something significantly faster, cheaper, cool, and all rounded I?d jump in a heart beat I really would. Sick of this labeling. I buy whatever the f*ck I want. And so what If I look favorable on AMD? My prerogative, if I?m overlooking performance and price due to company loyalties then you can call me a fanboy. I have a rig with performance which Intel wont be able to match for some months. So Pabster, Intelia and the other few that love to have a dig, bl*w me.

LOL. I could give a rats arse what you buy. Just quit spreading FUD.

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: clarkey01
Thank you so, so very much. Thank you, really I mean it, thank you. I couldn?t get it across to pabster. The problem was he said AMD were a year behind, FAB 36 was nowhere finished, and that there was 90nm production going on in there. Wrong on all 3 counts. Completely, utterly wrong, and what?s worse and hence the reason I?m making a huge fuss is that he swore blindly and tried and failed to make himself been seen as the know all and bearer of all CPU/fabrication knowledge. The fact he runs a Prescott and not a Northwood or Pentium M shows his intelligence. Anyone who doesn?t like what I just said about Prescott tough, challenge me on it.

OK let's see. Intel already has 65nm Yonah samples. This is Q3 '05. AMD (at best) will have something Q2 '06. Do you want me to say they are 7-9 months behind? Does that make you feel any better?

1. Intel?s 65nm products hit this year in Q4. AMD's 65nm comes in Q1 2006. That?s not a year behind.

Bogus. AMD's own claims state hopefully Q2 06.

2. Fab 36 is in testing with 300mm wafers and has been since march. The building was finished late 2004. Installation of equipment and testing has gone on since. It's on track.

Deluded Reality.

3. There is only 65nm tech in there, YES, that means NO 90nm production or testing. Maybe in Singapore with charter? or whoever it is with there fab but not FAB 36. It was built to start with 65nm tech. Not 90nm. I can?t stress it enough..

Believe whatever you'd like, Clarkey.

4. Fanboy ? How can where I was seriously contemplating purchasing a Pentium M laptop ? I?ve gone with turion due to the lower price, 64 bit and almost identical battery life. If Intel has something significantly faster, cheaper, cool, and all rounded I?d jump in a heart beat I really would. Sick of this labeling. I buy whatever the f*ck I want. And so what If I look favorable on AMD? My prerogative, if I?m overlooking performance and price due to company loyalties then you can call me a fanboy. I have a rig with performance which Intel wont be able to match for some months. So Pabster, Intelia and the other few that love to have a dig, bl*w me.

LOL. I could give a rats arse what you buy. Just quit spreading FUD.

Can you offer any proof with links like I have or are we just going to have to take your word for it?

 

[Markfw]

Pabster, hes not spreading FUD, he's quoting an article, that you have a problem reading correctly. How many people does it take to correct YOUR delusions????

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I found this link while looking at another one linked here. Interesting...
AMD's Opteron decimates Xeon market

10% decimates?


Anyway Clarky/pabster I don't know about processes... does'nt effect me one way or the other so I don't fill my head with those informations. ie they could still be making 250nm for all I care.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: clarkey01
Can you offer any proof with links like I have or are we just going to have to take your word for it?

Where is your proof? Where are your links?

What, you want to see a working Yonah system?

You want some links to AMD executives admitting that FAB36 won't be producing any significant volume until AT LEAST Q2 2006? You Google that yourself.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Pabster, hes not spreading FUD, he's quoting an article, that you have a problem reading correctly. How many people does it take to correct YOUR delusions????

I note that you only come in to hijack threads, start flame shoots, and spread more FUD.

Perhaps you have some "proof" to provide here?

 

[Hard Ball]

Guys, guys, who really cares about precisely when who's moving to 65 nm process.

AMD maybe a little behind, but it doesn't really mean that their CPUs will be behind in features an performance. In the middle of 04, Prescott, with its 90nm process simply had the higher TDP and lags behind the 130nm Newcastle in performance. So a processor, finer process or not, can be a POS like the Presshot, while the processor with built on larger process may actually be more mature technology and gain better performance. So no need to blow this out of proportion here.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Zebo
10% decimates?

From a distorted fanboy reality, 1% is a "decimation".

I rather enjoy the fools posting "destroy" and "decimate" claims with such laughable percentages. And I'll add this goes for the Dothan fanboys around here too.

 

[Hard Ball]

sorry, double post.

 

[Hard Ball]

Originally posted by: Zebo

10% decimates?

Actually, if you look at the latin etymology of the word, this is exactly what it means "deci-" -- tenth; and the meaning of the entire word comes from a Roman practice of killing every 10th soldier in the ranks of a cohort.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Zebo
10% decimates?

From a distorted fanboy reality, 1% is a "decimation".

I rather enjoy the fools posting "destroy" and "decimate" claims with such laughable percentages. And I'll add this goes for the Dothan fanboys around here too.

Thats the title of the article, their words, not mine.

 

[keitaro]

Uh... damn... um... I was expecting further comments regarding the initial sightings of the X2 3800+ CPUs... instead, all I see are a lot of mud slinging. wtf??

 

[xenolith]

::::getting back on topic::::

X2 3800+ spotted for sale in the US: $366.74 retail boxed
It shows OOS though.

 

[Pabster]

Not a bad price. Now let's get some stock!

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Hard Ball

Originally posted by: Zebo

10% decimates?

Actually, if you look at the latin etymology of the word, this is exactly what it means "deci-" -- tenth; and the meaning of the entire word comes from a Roman practice of killing every 10th soldier in the ranks of a cohort.

lol

 

[Hard Ball]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Hard Ball

Originally posted by: Zebo

10% decimates?

Actually, if you look at the latin etymology of the word, this is exactly what it means "deci-" -- tenth; and the meaning of the entire word comes from a Roman practice of killing every 10th soldier in the ranks of a cohort.

lol

Yeah, sorry for sounding a little pedantic, but I study computational Linguistics, and this is one of my pet peeves.

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I found this link while looking at another one linked here. Interesting...
AMD's Opteron decimates Xeon market

10% decimates?


Anyway Clarky/pabster I don't know about processes... does'nt effect me one way or the other so I don't fill my head with those informations. ie they could still be making 250nm for all I care.

Yes, actually, if one were to use the proper term, it did decimate intel's market share.

Gar. I need to read before I post.

Anyways, I hope a 4000+ part comes out at about $400. I want that 1Meg cache.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: L3p3rM355i4h

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I found this link while looking at another one linked here. Interesting...
AMD's Opteron decimates Xeon market

10% decimates?


Anyway Clarky/pabster I don't know about processes... does'nt effect me one way or the other so I don't fill my head with those informations. ie they could still be making 250nm for all I care.

Yes, actually, if one were to use the proper term, it did decimate intel's market share.

Gar. I need to read before I post.

Anyways, I hope a 4000+ part comes out at about $400. I want that 1Meg cache.

Stop tying to sound smart. Hard ball gave the right answer, while yours is waaay off. Look up decimate, in english, and tell me how "proper" the term is with 10% market share.