It's official.

[solofly]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: clarkey01
FAB 36 is built for 65nm you fool, it's not being converted. It is already tooled out, testing and qualifcation is underway.

Ok, Clarkey. Whatever you say ... <PLONK>

Intel has had 65nm chips IN PRODUCTION for MONTHS. In fact, 65nm Yonahs are already floating around. FAB36 isn't even finished yet. Hence, the not tooled comment. So unless you can provide some evidence<-- to the contrary...

Edit: Forgot to mention that your "built for 65nm" facility is currently pumping out 90nm chips

Your wrong again.

AMD fanboys really have trouble with their grammar skills...

Why are you bothering people? If you don't use/like AMD then you shouldn't be in this thread in the first place.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: solofly
Why are you bothering people? If you don't use/like AMD then you shouldn't be in this thread in the first place.

I'm just stopping the usual FUD. People come here for facts and details, not FUD.

Do you have anything useful to add?

 

[MBrown]

LoL

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: solofly
Why are you bothering people? If you don't use/like AMD then you shouldn't be in this thread in the first place.

I'm just stopping the usual FUD. People come here for facts and details, not FUD.

Do you have anything useful to add?

Pabs, come on now.

Sonderman added that AMD engineers are helping Singapore foundry Chartered Semiconductor Manufacturing install the APM system in CHartered's 300-mm wafer fab along with an AMD 90-nm SOI process.

Read, Chartered Semiconductor Manufacturing Fab, not AMDs FAB 36

"One of the big advantages of our Automated Precision Manufacturing system is that we can take 90-nm on 200-mm data from Fab30, 65-nm on 300-mm data from East Fishkill and see the commonalities and apply them to Fab36.

Sonderman said that running 90-nm circuits on 300-mm wafers with Chartered would also help build up useful experience.

Read, They are entering new territory and are taking existing data on the 300-mm wafers from fishkill and applying techniques learned through their own 200-mm wafers. Additionally taking information from the CSM 300-mm wafer based fab and glean any useful information from that operation as well.

Nobody is saying AMD is close to reaching Intel production, but if you read the article you can see that AMD is trying to find the best approach to enter into a 65nm process along with the transition to 300-mm wafers.

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Still on the fence about a 3800 or 4000+ X2 myself.

 

[Markfw]

I said the same thing, and he says I am spreading FUD and starting a flamefest, and wouldn;t answer me. Pabster may need a vacation.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: TGS
Read, They are entering new territory and are taking existing data on the 300-mm wafers from fishkill and applying techniques learned through their own 200-mm wafers. Additionally taking information from the CSM 300-mm wafer based fab and glean any useful information from that operation as well.

I was paraphrasing the article. You can interpret the words any way you'd like.

Nobody is saying AMD is close to reaching Intel production, but if you read the article you can see that AMD is trying to find the best approach to enter into a 65nm process along with the transition to 300-mm wafers.

I wasn't debating it. Just stopping the FUD spreaders who tried to tell us AMD was right on Intel's heels in the 65nm department, which they are not, unless you'd consider half a year or better to be "close".

Still on the fence about a 3800 or 4000+ X2 myself.

If the initial pricing for the Retail 3800+ (~360) is accurate I'd consider it a real good deal.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I said the same thing, and he says I am spreading FUD and starting a flamefest, and wouldn;t answer me. Pabster may need a vacation.

I said you like to come in and interject FUD or throw the old "troll" label around whenever someone doesn't agree with you.

You also seem to think anyone who disagrees needs a "vacation". Big ego, eh?

P.S. You get your wish -- I'm off to St. Louis for a full week tomorrow. No guarantee I won't stop by and check for FUD though.

 

[BlingBlingArsch]

boring

 

[rgreen83]

Pabster- Its very clear who is spreading the FUD, you are quoting articles which plainly state the opposite of your argument and twisting them to fit your needs, the industry may call it FUD, I call it lying.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20050715054306.html

AMD?s yet-to-be-launched Fab 36 is planned to manufacture three generations of AMD processors, including 65nm, 45nm and 32nm chips.

Sorry, no 90nm tools.

?Fab 36 remains on schedule and on budget with production starts planned in the first quarter of 2006,? Mr. Ruiz added.

Production of 65nm 1Q06, Intel has said should have this going by 4Q05, so that puts AMD 1Q behind, not a year. Intel has a great deal more capacity than AMD, even after FAB36 is running full speed, so Intel will definately bring a larger volume of 65nm once it first starts than AMD will when it first starts full production.

http://eetimes.com/news/semi/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=160502234

Processor manufacturer Advanced Micro Devices said in an interview that it had started running test production in its Fab 36. Currently the company makes SRAM using 65nm process technology and 300mm wafers, but already in 2006 the firm is expected to launch its commercial processors made in the Fab 36.

They are already testing the 65nm by producing SRAM, it is far easier to get useful SRAM than processors when testing a die shrink and a move to 300mm wafers. This does mean you are correct that you wont find 65nm cpus from AMD right now, they need the money and cant wast expensive silicon making marginal cpus while they are fine tuning their 65nm process.

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: Pabster


I was paraphrasing the article. You can interpret the words any way you'd like.

Perhaps if you'd read a little you'd have a clue. These "first tests" you speak of in FAB36 around the March timeframe were on 90nm dies not 65nm.



Read a bit closer. Note the part where some AMD executive says that "pushing 90nm dies" through FAB36 will be a good way to "test it out" and they can convert "easily" to 65nm later on. (He didn't give any specific time-frame.)



You don't read and comprehend very well.

He was speaking about assisting a foundry in Signapore. BUT he mentions at the very end that throwing 90nm dies on 300mm wafers (WHICH IS WHAT FAB36 IS DOING NOW) will give AMD valuable experience. What don't you understand here Clarkey?[/quote]

Other than the fact you are spelling out multiple times references to FAB36 using the 90nm process.

If the initial pricing for the Retail 3800+ (~360) is accurate I'd consider it a real good deal.

I'll probably end up grabbing a 3800+ regardless of the cache. Nobody is screaming about 512KB vs 1MB in games that I've seen. Though I would like to see some non-hand picked overclock results. IE low end Venice repeat again.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: rgreen83
Pabster- Its very clear who is spreading the FUD, you are quoting articles which plainly state the opposite of your argument and twisting them to fit your needs, the industry may call it FUD, I call it lying.

You can call it whatever you like -- I call it facts.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/display/20050715054306.html

AMD?s yet-to-be-launched Fab 36 is planned to manufacture three generations of AMD processors, including 65nm, 45nm and 32nm chips.

Sorry, no 90nm tools.

Ok, if you say so.

?Fab 36 remains on schedule and on budget with production starts planned in the first quarter of 2006,? Mr. Ruiz added.

Production of 65nm 1Q06, Intel has said should have this going by 4Q05, so that puts AMD 1Q behind, not a year. Intel has a great deal more capacity than AMD, even after FAB36 is running full speed, so Intel will definately bring a larger volume of 65nm once it first starts than AMD will when it first starts full production.[/quote]

Just like old Hector told us X2 would be in volume production June 2005, right? You ought to know by now that what AMD tells us and what actually happens are two different things.

They are already testing the 65nm by producing SRAM, it is far easier to get useful SRAM than processors when testing a die shrink and a move to 300mm wafers. This does mean you are correct that you wont find 65nm cpus from AMD right now, they need the money and cant wast expensive silicon making marginal cpus while they are fine tuning their 65nm process.

Wait, I'm correct? No... can't be.

The only thing I ever stated was that AMD was behind Intel in 65nm process tech, which they are. And then the (usual) fanboys started the (usual) flamefest.

 

[clarkey01]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I said the same thing, and he says I am spreading FUD and starting a flamefest, and wouldn;t answer me. Pabster may need a vacation.

I said you like to come in and interject FUD or throw the old "troll" label around whenever someone doesn't agree with you.

You also seem to think anyone who disagrees needs a "vacation". Big ego, eh?

P.S. You get your wish -- I'm off to St. Louis for a full week tomorrow. No guarantee I won't stop by and check for FUD though.

Phew.

Next he'll make a silly claim like Itaniums are being made secretly @ FAB 30. Least we got a week off from it.

 

[mechBgon]

X2 3800+ spotted!

It is?! :Q SWEET!

Well, that's the justification process all done, now I just need the actual money

 

[Pabster]

A few places have them up but no one has any stock. Also I don't see anyone accepting pre-orders (not that this would be a wise idea anyway). At any rate, we just might see an X2 core (albeit a Manchester) sub-$350 in the near future which would be awesome from a P/P standpoint at the very least.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

X2 3800+ spotted!

It is?! :Q SWEET!

Well, that's the justification process all done, now I just need the actual money

How much you need?

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: mechBgon

X2 3800+ spotted!

It is?! :Q SWEET!

Well, that's the justification process all done, now I just need the actual money

How much you need?

About one week's worth of my pay, is how much I bet they'll command a noticable premium at first just due to supply/demand, but if I keep using Ye Olde Winchestere 3000+ for another 6 weeks or so, hopefully they'll be solidly in the $350 area and then I can upgrade and sell the Winnie before it spawns into another computer. Anyone know what I'm talkin' about there? Dasm computer parts...

If anyone tries any X2 in Adobe Premiere Elements, pleeeeeeeeze PM me &/or post regarding how it affects render times? :Q Doing some MiniDV-to-DVD conversion here. At startup, Premiere Elements does say "single processor detected," which implies that it would have some use for dual. But how much?

 

[Zebo]

You ever need anything just ask
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzY2LDM=
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-x2_13.html
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/amd%20athlon%2064%20x2%204800%

 

[TraumaRN]

Originally posted by: Zebo
You ever need anything just ask
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzY2LDM=
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-x2_13.html
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/amd%20athlon%2064%20x2%204800%

Umm one of your links is borked!

 

[mechBgon]

Originally posted by: Zebo
You ever need anything just ask
http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzY2LDM=
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athlon64-x2_13.html
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/amd%20athlon%2064%20x2%204800%

Sweet, looks like a solid boost in Premiere Elements performance, and undoubtedly better multitasking at the same time Plus it has a 10% clockspeed advantage per core against my 3000+ too.

Must... not... OC... work system! :Q

 

[imported_Frallan]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: Markfw900
I found this link while looking at another one linked here. Interesting...
AMD's Opteron decimates Xeon market

10% decimates?


Anyway Clarky/pabster I don't know about processes... does'nt effect me one way or the other so I don't fill my head with those informations. ie they could still be making 250nm for all I care.

Acctually yes 10% is exactly "decimates" which from the start was a punishment for troops that run away from battle. It means "every 10th" in latin iirc and that means that every 10th soldier was executed. s... decimates... 10% is pretty much ok.

[EDIT]OOPS allready cleared up sry![/EDIT]

 

[Viditor]

There is a MASSIVE difference between Intel and AMD's position right now...
Intel require 65nm much more than AMD do. AMD is ready to produce production parts in quantity as far as the technology goes, but doing so would force them to throw away their 90nm lines which are now at peak.
They used this same strategy in the conversion to 90nm, and as we all know it was extraordinarily successful! AMD was the ONLY semi manufacturer to not have bugs or low yields on their 90nm production...Intel had a miserable time as did IBM.

 

[HDTVdesignteam]

Originally posted by: Viditor
AMD was the ONLY semi manufacturer to not have bugs or low yields on their 90nm production...Intel had a miserable time as did IBM.

Only after IBM partnered and shared Fishkill plant findings with TRex problems. Expect further tech sharing with these two.
GT

 

[Zebo]

I wish IBM would buy AMD but I guess they want out of PC biz (sold thier PC biz) seeing unprofitable writing on the wall. How long till china.com makes PC processors "good enough" for 90% for $20 and then we won't matter? I see AMD and Intel going down big time in next 10 years.

 

[HDTVdesignteam]

Lucky IBM chip fab is still profitable. Doing all the game stations (Sony, M$, Nitendo) and now Kodak camera CMOS. Good for local economy.

 

[Viditor]

Originally posted by: Zebo
I wish IBM would buy AMD but I guess they want out of PC biz (sold thier PC biz) seeing unprofitable writing on the wall. How long till china.com makes PC processors "good enough" for 90% for $20 and then we won't matter? I see AMD and Intel going down big time in next 10 years.

I really haven't seen Chinese companies innovate fast enough on anything yet for me to worry about it...
Chip design just changes too fast!