If it's going to be ok for people to be fat because of genetics or some obesity disease theory, then it has to also be ok for alcoholics to walk around drunk in public all the time too.
Originally posted by: ahurtt
If it's going to be ok for people to be fat because of genetics or some obesity disease theory, then it has to also be ok for alcoholics to walk around drunk in public all the time too.
Originally posted by: DaShen
Originally posted by: RaDragon
Don't forget that some women have thyroid disease that makes it difficult for them to lose weight and maintain it unless they eliminate a lot of foods in their diet... My sis has that, and she's scared of gaining weight (she's around 128 lbs ATM).
My aunt had Thyroid cancer, and she had to have part of it removed. She had metabolism problems as well, but she takes care of herself and she is just as skinny as before.
Originally posted by: Legend
Originally posted by: RaDragon
Don't forget that some women have thyroid disease that makes it difficult for them to lose weight and maintain it unless they eliminate a lot of foods in their diet... My sis has that, and she's scared of gaining weight (she's around 128 lbs ATM).
My mother blames her obesity on thyroid problems, but everytime I'm home she has ice cream and brownies/cake for desert. She also drinks red wine because it's healthy. I try to tell her that eating grapes or taking resveratrol supplements does the same thing without the body fat, but she doesn't listen.
I'm not saying that people with geniuine problems don't exist, but I've yet to meet someone and see their diet reflect it. If I ate like these people did, I'd be obese too.
Originally posted by: halik
This is getting a little out of hand...i guess people miss the point there.
I really don't care about whether you're underweight, overweight or the social costs involved with either. However I do have problem with people shifting responsibility on envirnonment, genetics or anything else. If you're perfectly happy with the way you are, more power to you. But don't go around spouting BS how it's good to be obese or how it's not at all your fault.
And whoever called me a biggot... you're proving my point. You're so stuck in that not-my-fault mentality, you go as far as taking any bit of criticism as an attack on your "lifestyle". Son I don't care that you're morbidly obese, but I do care about you pushing the ideas that it's fine to be obese. It's simply not true... it's detrimental to your life expectancy.
And what do you have to say when there is a legimate medical reason for the person being obese? Genetics have everything to do with a persons body type, regardless of their eating habits.Originally posted by: halik
This is getting a little out of hand...i guess people miss the point there.
I really don't care about whether you're underweight, overweight or the social costs involved with either. However I do have problem with people shifting responsibility on envirnonment, genetics or anything else. If you're perfectly happy with the way you are, more power to you. But don't go around spouting BS how it's good to be obese or how it's not at all your fault.
And whoever called me a biggot... you're proving my point. You're so stuck in that not-my-fault mentality, you go as far as taking any bit of criticism as an attack on your "lifestyle". Son I don't care that you're morbidly obese, but I do care about you pushing the ideas that it's fine to be obese. It's simply not true... it's detrimental to your life expectancy.
Originally posted by: SampSon
And what do you have to say when there is a legimate medical reason for the person being obese? Genetics have everything to do with a persons body type, regardless of their eating habits.Originally posted by: halik
This is getting a little out of hand...i guess people miss the point there.
I really don't care about whether you're underweight, overweight or the social costs involved with either. However I do have problem with people shifting responsibility on envirnonment, genetics or anything else. If you're perfectly happy with the way you are, more power to you. But don't go around spouting BS how it's good to be obese or how it's not at all your fault.
And whoever called me a biggot... you're proving my point. You're so stuck in that not-my-fault mentality, you go as far as taking any bit of criticism as an attack on your "lifestyle". Son I don't care that you're morbidly obese, but I do care about you pushing the ideas that it's fine to be obese. It's simply not true... it's detrimental to your life expectancy.
Many things are detrimental to your life expectancy, very few get more grief than obesity. Many are even glorified.
Originally posted by: SampSon
And what do you have to say when there is a legimate medical reason for the person being obese? Genetics have everything to do with a persons body type, regardless of their eating habits.Originally posted by: halik
This is getting a little out of hand...i guess people miss the point there.
I really don't care about whether you're underweight, overweight or the social costs involved with either. However I do have problem with people shifting responsibility on envirnonment, genetics or anything else. If you're perfectly happy with the way you are, more power to you. But don't go around spouting BS how it's good to be obese or how it's not at all your fault.
And whoever called me a biggot... you're proving my point. You're so stuck in that not-my-fault mentality, you go as far as taking any bit of criticism as an attack on your "lifestyle". Son I don't care that you're morbidly obese, but I do care about you pushing the ideas that it's fine to be obese. It's simply not true... it's detrimental to your life expectancy.
Many things are detrimental to your life expectancy, very few get more grief than obesity. Many are even glorified.
Originally posted by: kirkaptain
Geneticically predestined to be obese? Bah! More often than not, obesity can be linked to the fundamental relationship people have with food. America, I suspect more than any other country, has the most unhealthy relationship to food. We as a nation are greatly detatched from where our food come from and what it does to our bodies. As a result, our citizens have self-destructive views on body image. Rarely is the distiction made between thin and healthy. Guys: don't beleive me? Ask your girlfriends, sisters, and mothers how many of their freinds have eating disorders.
In the past 2 years I have gone from 290lbs to 190 lbs on my 6' frame. I had tried diets and exercise regimines on many previous occasions, but had remained obese for years. Counting calories, keeping a food log, and weighing myself three times a day never worked for me. I had to get beyond that, to something less micromanaged and more sustainable.
How? I listen to what my body tells me about food. This goes beyond taste. You wanna make anything taste good, just smother it in sugar and fat. From the perspective of a gormand, this is often perceived as cheating (as are overuse of foie gras, truffles, and caviar). If I am sluggish and tired an hour after I eat something, I try to avoid that food in the future.
Pay attention to how food makes your body feal, drink plenty of water, and take a nice long walk every day (or 30 minutes of cardio every other day). Stop buying food and start buying ingrediants. Learn to cook.
Food is a drug.
Originally posted by: zephyrprime
I disagree with the op. While at college, I saw other people's eating habits. There were lots of fat people there who don't eat a lot. I ate a lot more than a lot of fat people there and I was thin. I wasn't physically very active either. Now I've gained a little weight as I've aged to the ripe old age of 27. I'm more physically active because of my work but that extra exertion hasn't had any effect.
Some people do have weight problems becuase they just eat too much but a lot of people are fat because of genetics.
There is some research showing that fatness is actually due to a viral infection. Also, I believe that there must be some sort of prenatal chemical exposure that contributes obesity.
Well, hey, I wouldn't practice most of it myself. That doesn't mean I look down on people who smoke, drink, rely on NyQuil to get to sleep, get too much Omega-6, use antibiotic hand wash, have sex before marriage, use computers three hours a day, or any of the other things I said. Do you?I am against all that stuff you mentioned as well BTW.
Uhh... I'm sorry if this sounds blunt, but I don't see evidence for your claim on those pages. I'm not saying it's untrue, merely that I'd like to see it backed up. Uncited statistics are just a sore point with me, really.But, again, obese people are the highest users of prescription drugs in the nation.
Estimate just for weight loss prescription alone
An article about prescription drugs and the types that are being prescribed most regularly for symptoms **Corrolation**
Article discussing the percentage increase of obesity in the U.S and the symptoms. **Corrolation**
Exactly what I'm trying to say. Look, I agree it's generally unhealthy for people to be that way, and I personally try to keep my body running smoothly. I just don't see how it's somehow unacceptable for others not to care about their bodies. Sure, it's not the brightest decision they could make, but why should I care? Fat people don't affect my life (or quality of life, if you like to call it that) nearly as much as heavy drinkers, smokers, bad drivers, or even tall people do (although to be fair, it's partly my fault that I'm 5'7").Many things are detrimental to your life expectancy, very few get more grief than obesity. Many are even glorified.
Your analogy is invalid and silly. Public drunkenness affects our lives in a clear, negative fashion; random fat passersby don't. Public drunkenness is illegal for several obvious reasons; being fat isn't.If it's going to be ok for people to be fat because of genetics or some obesity disease theory, then it has to also be ok for alcoholics to walk around drunk in public all the time too.
Your analogy is invalid and silly. Again. Fat people do not pose a clearly demonstrated danger others; drunk drivers do. Being fat is not a crime; driving while intoxicated is.So what do you have to say when a person who gets pulled over for DWI has a legitimate medical excuse for being drunk?
Originally posted by: alien42
there are a very small percentage of fat people who are genetically screwed. if you travel to africa, europe, south america, or just about any other country you will find very few fat people compared to the US.
No, it's not "just excuses." It's usually an excuse, sure, but some people are genetically (or environmentally-for-reasons-beyond-their-control, but let's not get into that) inclined to gain more weight than others. Metabolism (by which I mean the metabolic processes that deal with magically turning fats and carbohydrates into work, and carbohydrates into fat) is not entirely controlled by external factors.you get fat if you put more in your mouth than comes out your A@@hole, that's how you get fat, that genetic stuff is just excuses
"Hogging all the food"? I wasn't aware there was a shortage of the stuff in first-world countries.I am getting tired of fat people hogging all the food complaining about discrimination and hiding behind this genetics crap.
personally i think that fat people should be discriminated against. For example they should park furthest away from the store, should have to by two or three plane tickets
But why? Seriously, how do they affect you?If your fat well you should suffer for your sin
That's bs. I know families, like my own, that can eat anything they want in any quantity and not gain weight. While on the other hand, for example the other side of my family, that eat very healthy yet maintain a more heavy set body type. Yes family eating habits has a lot to do with it, but the genetics of that person will ultimately determine how the food is metabolized.Genetics have very little to do with it usually. It is about the eating habits that you grew up with usually. If your family ate a lot and feed you a lot of unhealthy things as you were growing up, your family teaches there kids to eat unhealthy. And the cycle continues. In another country where there is less of a "need" to overeat, that same family would be skinnier.
It usually isn't genetics that makes a whole family obese. It is the eating habits that they trained themselves with. Break the cycle, man.
:roll: right.So what do you have to say when a person who gets pulled over for DWI has a legitimate medical excuse for being drunk?
Originally posted by: svi
No, it's not "just excuses." It's usually an excuse, sure, but some people are genetically (or environmentally-for-reasons-beyond-their-control, but let's not get into that) inclined to gain more weight.you get fat if you put more in your mouth than comes out your A@@hole, that's how you get fat, that genetic stuff is just excuses
I can explain why to you, if you really want to know. Do you?
"Hogging all the food"? I wasn't aware there was a shortage of the stuff in first-world countries.I am getting tired of fat people hogging all the food complaining about discrimination and hiding behind this genetics crap.
personally i think that fat people should be discriminated against. For example they should park furthest away from the store, should have to by two or three plane ticketsBut why? Seriously, how do they affect you?If your fat well you should suffer for your sin
Originally posted by: SampSon
That's bs. I know families, like my own, that can eat anything they want in any quantity and not gain weight. While on the other hand, for example the other side of my family, that eat very healthy yet maintain a more heavy set body type. Yes family eating habits has a lot to do with it, but the genetics of that person will ultimately determine how the food is metabolized.Genetics have very little to do with it usually. It is about the eating habits that you grew up with usually. If your family ate a lot and feed you a lot of unhealthy things as you were growing up, your family teaches there kids to eat unhealthy. And the cycle continues. In another country where there is less of a "need" to overeat, that same family would be skinnier.
It usually isn't genetics that makes a whole family obese. It is the eating habits that they trained themselves with. Break the cycle, man.
Yeah, I have. Have you sat next to a heavy smoker on a plane? How about someone who won't stop talking to you during the flight? How about someone with a terrible gas problem? How about an Indian guy that doesn't speak English and, when he wakes up and gestures at his in-flight dinner as if to inquire as to its nature, leaves you no option but to mime a chicken?second have you sat next to a fat person on a plane?
now it may just be me but having someone else's a@@ on my leg is not a good feeling
No, it's considerably more than .0001% of the population. I'm not comfortable giving hard numbers, but I can tell you right now that the amount of the population for whom macronutrient metabolism (a pretentious way of saying "how the body deals with food") is significantly different than the norm is a great deal larger than you seem to think it is-- and this is leaving out those whose metabolisms were effectively set when they were younger (a lot of baby boomers just were never told that stuff they ate was unhealthy).about the genetics i've got to say sure maybe there are actually people that are predisposed to becoming fat but this has got to be less than .0001% percent of the population and this whole 'fat' gene theory is a little hard to beleive
Originally posted by: miri
Can you show me pictures of people in Nazi concentration camps and in Ethiopia during the famine that are fat?
Does she drink a lot of juice? Tell her to cut that out of her diet and drink water, it's better. You may only have 1000 calories in your diet but meats and crap like that don't get automatically absorbed like sugars...Originally posted by: Ipno
My grandmother is pretty fat and for the last 10 years or so hasn't eaten more than 1000 calories per day (due to cancer), yet she's still fat.
Not everyone is the same way.