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zerocool84

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From the CNN link:

Rosenstein said Friday that the indictment does not contain any allegations that any Americans knowingly participated in the activity.
"There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity," he said. "There is no allegation in the indictment that the charge conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election."

Did you want to provide the links to who funded Fusion GPS with respect to the Steele dossier and how it was used in the FISA court as well? What's next? Links about the Earth not being flat or how water is wet? These are know factual bits of information and don't require links to validate their validity every time. The Rosenstein stuff is newer information so I can understand the need for links.
I thought CNN was fake news? Oh that's right it's only fake news if it's something republicans don't like. My mistake, carry on.
 
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urvile

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Pretty funny you using the words gluttony to talk about anyone else except your own chubster self. Just change truck load to wide load and you've described yourself perfectly.

Did you ever find any evidence of collusion by the Trump administration? Any?


You know when you think of tajbot. You either think of a himmler cosplayer or......the important thing you have to remember is that tajbot is having a win.

Oh dear.
 

Bitek

Lifer
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THOSE INDICTMENTS. Not that no Americans have intentionally worked with Russians. He is speaking solely to what those particular indictments claim, not the overall state of affairs.

This is not new information, this is just you being unable to comprehend what you're reading.

Or unwilling. Either way, he shouldn't expect everyone else to also play dumb.

We know exactly what was said, how it was said, and what it means.

Try harder @brandonbull
 

HomerJS

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News says Manafort is looking at 300 years prison time.
Funny Republicans closed down the hearings without an appearance by Manafort. But we all know they weren't really trying to get to the truth.

Corruption abounds. BTW - I though Nunes was supposed to be recused. More corruption.
 

sactoking

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I spent a couple of hours trying to find a dragonborn/half-dragon monk miniature for my son last night and I'm pretty sure I conducted a more thorough investigation than the House "Intelligence" Committee.
 
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brandonbull

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I thought CNN was fake news? Oh that's right it's only fake news if it's something republicans don't like. My mistake, carry on.

People on P&N tend to focus on the messenger and not the message. I actually posted links from multiple sources, left and right, which say the same thing.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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People on P&N tend to focus on the messenger and not the message. I actually posted links from multiple sources, left and right, which say the same thing.

They focused on the message and your poor comprehension of that message was pointed out to you. Instead of accepting reality you played the, poor snowflake who needs their safe space, routine.

Derp on, bro
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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News says Manafort is looking at 300 years prison time.
I find it hard to believe he'd do a Liddy. The man has absolutely no scruples. He ran the campaigns and consulted with some of the biggest political criminals that have existed. Liddy at least thought he was being honorable in not testifying against Nixon. I don't see someone like Manafort having any convictions, by who he worked for. He's got to spill some incriminating beans. Trump and co should be scared.
 

soundforbjt

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I find it hard to believe he'd do a Liddy. The man has absolutely no scruples. He ran the campaigns and consulted with some of the biggest political criminals that have existed. Liddy at least thought he was being honorable in not testifying against Nixon. I don't see someone like Manafort having any convictions, by who he worked for. He's got to spill some incriminating beans. Trump and co should be scared.
He’s more fearful of Putin’s reach, more than anything else. He’ll keep quiet.
 

Jhhnn

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Nov 11, 1999
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I find it hard to believe he'd do a Liddy. The man has absolutely no scruples. He ran the campaigns and consulted with some of the biggest political criminals that have existed. Liddy at least thought he was being honorable in not testifying against Nixon. I don't see someone like Manafort having any convictions, by who he worked for. He's got to spill some incriminating beans. Trump and co should be scared.

Liddy was a relatively young man in his early 40's when he went to prison & served 52 months. The charges against him were such that he didn't face an extremely long sentence. Manafort is 70 & facing a very long stretch in stir. Even if he deals the chances of dying behind bars are overwhelming. The only way around that is if he can give Mueller Trump's head on a plate & he apparently can't do that. He'll likely tough it out, hoping for a pardon. It's the only smart move he has.
 

fskimospy

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Liddy was a relatively young man in his early 40's when he went to prison & served 52 months. The charges against him were such that he didn't face an extremely long sentence. Manafort is 70 & facing a very long stretch in stir. Even if he deals the chances of dying behind bars are overwhelming. The only way around that is if he can give Mueller Trump's head on a plate & he apparently can't do that. He'll likely tough it out, hoping for a pardon. It's the only smart move he has.

A pardon doesn't really help him as most of the crimes he's accused of are state crimes as well and he would just be prosecuted under them. His only hopes for saving himself are if he genuinely beats the charges or if he cooperates. As I think we've mentioned before cooperation is the only thing that makes sense to me, except that he may fear that he will be killed by the Russians if he does so. That's the most likely explanation to me for his lack of cooperation.
 

soundforbjt

Lifer
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A pardon doesn't really help him as most of the crimes he's accused of are state crimes as well and he would just be prosecuted under them. His only hopes for saving himself are if he genuinely beats the charges or if he cooperates. As I think we've mentioned before cooperation is the only thing that makes sense to me, except that he may fear that he will be killed by the Russians if he does so. That's the most likely explanation to me for his lack of cooperation.
Russia killing him or his family is most likely a very real possibility..
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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A pardon doesn't really help him as most of the crimes he's accused of are state crimes as well and he would just be prosecuted under them. His only hopes for saving himself are if he genuinely beats the charges or if he cooperates. As I think we've mentioned before cooperation is the only thing that makes sense to me, except that he may fear that he will be killed by the Russians if he does so. That's the most likely explanation to me for his lack of cooperation.

Meh. From Manafort's perspective there's no difference between a 15 year sentence and a 50 year sentence. He apparently doesn't have the goods on Trump or he'd roll like a marble in exchange for a very light sentence. His partner, Rick Gates, is only 45 so it makes sense for him to deal, do some time & make a new life for himself afterwards. Manafort doesn't have an afterwards.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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Meh. From Manafort's perspective there's no difference between a 15 year sentence and a 50 year sentence. He apparently doesn't have the goods on Trump or he'd roll like a marble in exchange for a very light sentence. His partner, Rick Gates, is only 45 so it makes sense for him to deal, do some time & make a new life for himself afterwards. Manafort doesn't have an afterwards.
Yea, how much off of 305 years can you get for turning. Like you said, he's got issues if it's still like 15 years. And his crimes may not be directly related to Russian collusion in the Trump campaign or interference in the election. He certainly is maintaining his innocence in spite of all of the charges.
 

brandonbull

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They focused on the message and your poor comprehension of that message was pointed out to you. Instead of accepting reality you played the, poor snowflake who needs their safe space, routine.

Derp on, bro

Try again. You may want to reevaluate the "you just don't get it" part of your argument. Also, where does the snowflake part come from?
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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I spent a couple of hours trying to find a dragonborn/half-dragon monk miniature for my son last night and I'm pretty sure I conducted a more thorough investigation than the House "Intelligence" Committee.

Uh, can you please tell us if you had success in finding the miniature, at least?
 
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sactoking

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Uh, can you please tell us if you had success in finding the miniature, at least?
I found a place in Canada that has a 3d blueprint you can buy and print out or they can print for you but I don't have access to a 3d printer and I don't want to pay 20 bucks for shipping plus the cost of the mini.
 
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