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BonzaiDuck

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Let me just enumerate -- for benefit of myself as much as anyone looking in -- what I think I've heard and seen since the inauguration and in regards to positions taken by Trump supporters. Many of them have already defected.

But our problem seems to be an electorate component which views political affiliation as a sort of religion. That is the main reason that the "remaining base" can't seem to come around to the notion that Trump's election was a gross and disastrous collective decision.

If I were a physicist with a theory and an agenda of experiments, I'd have to give up my preconceptions -- beliefs -- once sufficient empirical evidence counters my theory.

the hardcore base isn't going to give up their believes on the basis of objective indications, because their politics is a religion, as opposed to the pursuit of practical common sense.

Here's an example of something that might clarify this thought. Trumpies and the GOP advocate the notion of a free market unbridled by government regulation. Meanwhile, the typical competitive businessman, in that free-market scenario, reaps his profits in a process that economists had called "Day's Theorem." They are all the while making incremental adjustments to their business practice as new information about prices and quantities flows into their hands on a daily basis. That behavior is totally different from clinging to a disastrous political choice because it's "your religion."
 

unseenmorbidity

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Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee reached an opposite conclusion Monday from the intelligence community they oversee, announcing that Russian President Vladimir Putin was not trying to help Donald Trump win the 2016 election.

The Republicans also said they found no evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia and that they are shutting down their yearlong investigation.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
 

brandonbull

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And none of your credible links point to anything remotely resembling your claim that the DNC, Clinton or Democrats assisted Russia.

I provided multiple links to a top DOJ official stating that NO Americans willingly worked or aided the Russians. We do know the FACTS about money provided by Hillary, and the DNC to pay for Russian supplied information that was used as a basis for investigating Trump's campaign and that information was leaked to the media as proof of Russia-Trump collusion. So Hillary, the DNC, and the MSM appear to have been ignorant of their participation in Russian influencing efforts. Which is why I called them useful idiots. Please tell me which part is wrong.
 
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fskimospy

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I provided multiple links to a top DOJ official stating that NO Americans willingly worked or aided the Russians. We do know the FACTS about money provided by Hillary, and the DNC to pay for Russian supplied information that was used as a basis for investigating Trump's campaign and that information was leaked to the media as proof of Russia-Trump collusion. So Hillary, the DNC, and the MSM appear to have been ignorant of their participation in Russian influencing efforts. Which is why I called them useful idiots. Please tell me which part is wrong.

Your links did not say that in any way, shape, or form. You need to go back and read them.
 
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brandonbull

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Your links did not say that in any way, shape, or form. You need to go back and read them.

From the CNN link:

Rosenstein said Friday that the indictment does not contain any allegations that any Americans knowingly participated in the activity.
"There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity," he said. "There is no allegation in the indictment that the charge conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election."

Did you want to provide the links to who funded Fusion GPS with respect to the Steele dossier and how it was used in the FISA court as well? What's next? Links about the Earth not being flat or how water is wet? These are know factual bits of information and don't require links to validate their validity every time. The Rosenstein stuff is newer information so I can understand the need for links.
 
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fskimospy

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From the CNN link:

Rosenstein said Friday that the indictment does not contain any allegations that any Americans knowingly participated in the activity.
"There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity," he said. "There is no allegation in the indictment that the charge conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election."

Did you want to provide the links to who funded Fusion GPS with respect to the Steele dossier and how it was used in the FISA court as well? What's next? Links about the Earth not being flat or how water is wet? These are know factual bits of information and don't require links to validate their validity every time. The Rosenstein stuff is newer information so I can understand the need for links.

THOSE INDICTMENTS. Not that no Americans have intentionally worked with Russians. He is speaking solely to what those particular indictments claim, not the overall state of affairs.

This is not new information, this is just you being unable to comprehend what you're reading.
 

brycejones

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I provided multiple links to a top DOJ official stating that NO Americans willingly worked or aided the Russians. We do know the FACTS about money provided by Hillary, and the DNC to pay for Russian supplied information that was used as a basis for investigating Trump's campaign and that information was leaked to the media as proof of Russia-Trump collusion. So Hillary, the DNC, and the MSM appear to have been ignorant of their participation in Russian influencing efforts. Which is why I called them useful idiots. Please tell me which part is wrong.

Uh didn't we already establish the FBI investigation pre-dates the Steel dossier?
 
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This shit is taken right from the GOP Playbook on page one... When in trouble, douse the source with gasoline and set on fire.

They were for the FBI before they were against them.

They were for local COPS until a couple weeks ago when they are now against them again.

They were for Mudd before they are now trying to trash him....

They do not get to drag whoever they want through the mud...

EDIT: had to add this in light of the Russian threat to shoot down US planes...

They were against Russia, before they were for Russian, now are they against Russia again......

It really is very predictable. Sad.
 

HomerJS

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I provided multiple links to a top DOJ official stating that NO Americans willingly worked or aided the Russians. We do know the FACTS about money provided by Hillary, and the DNC to pay for Russian supplied information that was used as a basis for investigating Trump's campaign and that information was leaked to the media as proof of Russia-Trump collusion. So Hillary, the DNC, and the MSM appear to have been ignorant of their participation in Russian influencing efforts. Which is why I called them useful idiots. Please tell me which part is wrong.
Russian supplied information that was used as a basis for investigating Trump's campaign
WRONG A drunk George Popadopolus and what he was spilling was the main catalyst of the FISA warrant. Courts didn't need the Steele dossier for the 1st iteration.

money provided by Hillary, and the DNC to pay for Russian supplied information
COMPLETELY MISLEADING
Both Republicans and Democrats paid for the data used in the dossier. That's been stated probably 100 times in this forum which you keep ignoring.
 

unseenmorbidity

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WRONG A drunk George Popadopolus and what he was spilling was the main catalyst of the FISA warrant. Courts didn't need the Steele dossier for the 1st iteration.


COMPLETELY MISLEADING
Both Republicans and Democrats paid for the data used in the dossier. That's been stated probably 100 times in this forum which you keep ignoring.


There is an investigation regarding whether the FiSA warrant was given under false pretenses. It likely was.

He didn't say that they exclusively funded the dossier.
 

Meghan54

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From the CNN link:

Rosenstein said Friday that the indictment does not contain any allegations that any Americans knowingly participated in the activity.
"There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity," he said. "There is no allegation in the indictment that the charge conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election."

Did you want to provide the links to who funded Fusion GPS with respect to the Steele dossier and how it was used in the FISA court as well? What's next? Links about the Earth not being flat or how water is wet? These are know factual bits of information and don't require links to validate their validity every time. The Rosenstein stuff is newer information so I can understand the need for links.


Do you really have that much of a fucking problem understanding the English language?

The first damned sentence you posted above:
"There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity..."

IN THIS INDICTMENT....understand what that phrase means? Nope....you probably don't, unless you're being, as usual, willfully ignorant.
 

unseenmorbidity

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Do you really have that much of a fucking problem understanding the English language?

The first damned sentence you posted above:
"There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity..."

IN THIS INDICTMENT....understand what that phrase means? Nope....you probably don't, unless you're being, as usual, willfully ignorant.
Yah we get it... It's a never ending witch hunt, rofl! Well, until WW3 or Trump leaves office, whichever comes first.
 

Jhhnn

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There is an investigation regarding whether the FiSA warrant was given under false pretenses. It likely was.

He didn't say that they exclusively funded the dossier.

You mean they didn't name the evil Hillary specifically but rather said the dossier had been compiled for partisan political purposes. I'm sure the Court found that to be beyond obvious.

Never mind that the guy put under surveillance had quit the Trump campaign a month before. The Feds figured him for a Russian stooge back in 2013 & probably weren't really keen on him being part of any presidential campaign. Just looking out for America, you know?
 

Sunburn74

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Yah we get it... It's a never ending witch hunt, rofl! Well, until WW3 or Trump leaves office, whichever comes first.
How is it a witch hunt? A witch hunt is 10 hour testimonials HRC was put through on beghazi with not even a possibility of any sort of charge to be made. 10 consecutive hours!

All mueller has done is asked a few aides to answer some questions and turn over some files. Trump himself literally has had no direct contribution to the case and its been going on for more than a year. Even more so, despite having not been personally named or called to do anything, he has hired this massive legal team with some estimates at like $3 million in the last year and those costs are ongoing. That seems like a lot of money to be spending for an innocent man who's done nothing and certainly will beat the case.

It's not a witch hunt in reality but a simple quiet investigation. In Trump's head it's a witch hunt but its nothing out of the norm for any investigative process. Heck we had that minnesota shooting last year of that australian woman and the investigation of that is still ongoing (and that involves someone literally dying).
 

HomerJS

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There is an investigation regarding whether the FiSA warrant was given under false pretenses. It likely was.

He didn't say that they exclusively funded the dossier.
That's what misleading means dumbass.

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