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[dontsh00tmesanta]

Can iPhone run crysis?

 

[krumme]

In December 2011, the iPhone was at 45nm and PC GPUs were at 28nm.

In December 2014, the iPhone is at 20nm and PC GPUs are at 28nm.

It's time we admitted that we're no longer the leading edge.

But in dec 2015 is gpu still on 28nm but phones on 14nm then?

 

[Qwertilot]

Far from impossible, certainly in any quantity

Apple make so much money from the iphones/pads that they've got astonishing leverage over this sort of thing. Very much more than NV/AMD etc.

 

[ShintaiDK]

The only barrier is cost.

 

[WittyRemark]

I stopped caring since the world ended in 2012.

 

[Bateluer]

Even on 7nm an IPhone won't beat a 4790K @ 4.8Ghz

Nope. But that 7mm ARM SoC would consume how many milliwatts vs the 84W<?> in the i7?

 

[seitur]

In December 2011, the iPhone was at 45nm and PC GPUs were at 28nm.

In December 2014, the iPhone is at 20nm and PC GPUs are at 28nm.

It's time we admitted that we're no longer the leading edge.

Well it is not really news, but on the other hand maybe it is seeing some reactions in this thread.

It is simply a money thing. Customers around the world are willing to spend insane money on a phone that have bit more pixels or open phone app 0,2 s faster or that have 8GB more disk space.

It will continue as long as big enough % of smartphone users will be able and willing to spend 300-600$ every two years for a new smartphone.


On the other hand, there are already some signs of smartphone demand weakening. It is still going strong, but...

 

[seitur]

Shrinking discrete GPU market, growing Cell Phone market. Time is money, and vice versa. If there was enough market incentive we would be multiple nodes below in GPUs by now as someone would have provided a better service than TSMC. It's simply a matter of money.

It is not PC GPU market shrinkage, it did not really shrink - low-tier simply went to iGPU.

Thing is that GPU customers are not willing to pay more for smaller nodes, while smaller nodes are getting more expensive.

This will force (well it already did) GPU companies & rest of industry to bring more performance, by other less costly means. So less process shrinkage and more architectural changes, more change and innovation to memory subsystem, more effort on software and so on.

It is already happening - Nvidia releasing new architecture on same node, AMD ditching GDDR5 and going for HMB, Mantle, DX12, OpenGL Next.
There will be more focus on stuff like that.

Because that got cheaper than going for smaller nodes.

 

[mrmt]

It is not PC GPU market shrinkage, it did not really shrink - low-tier simply went to iGPU.

It is a shrinkage. What was the share of Nvidia and AMD of TSMC's 40nm gross revenue and what's the share now with 28nm? Qualcomm and Apple are far more representative today than AMD and Nvidia were in 2011, so those will be the guys calling the shots, and those will be the guys getting wafer allocations before everyone else.

 

[DarkKnightDude]

Pack it up. We're heading home. Our job is finished.

 

[seitur]

It is a shrinkage. What was the share of Nvidia and AMD of TSMC's 40nm gross revenue and what's the share now with 28nm? Qualcomm and Apple are far more representative today than AMD and Nvidia were in 2011, so those will be the guys calling the shots, and those will be the guys getting wafer allocations before everyone else.

% wise yes.

I was talking about 'direct' monetary amount. (sorry for my english hope you know what I mean).

I of course agree that Mobile SoC market is and will for foresable call the shots.

 

[NTMBK]

It's interesting to watch people in denial. Want to see what this means in real terms?

In 3 years we have gone from the HD7970 to the GTX 980. Not a bad performance increase, right? It's almost twice as fast!

Meanwhile, the iPhone went from iPhone 4S to iPhone 6. And its GPU is more than 8 times faster.

(I had to pull results from two different sites to make the comparison, because they don't tend to benchmark 3 year old phones any more... because they are moving so fast.)

 

[DarkKnightDude]

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Wake us up when the iPhone GPU can run Crysis or BF4 at a decent framerate. Probably will happen. Eventually.

 

[monstercameron]

Wake us up when the iPhone GPU can run Crysis or BF4 at a decent framerate. Probably will happen. Eventually.

no idea about theframe rate but it definitely works on apple stuff.
http://www.frostbite.com/2014/11/frostbite-tech-demo-battlefield-4-on-ios/

 

[raghu78]

no idea about theframe rate but it definitely works on apple stuff.
http://www.frostbite.com/2014/11/frostbite-tech-demo-battlefield-4-on-ios/

btw this is before Apple makes the jump to more powerful FINFET SOCs like A9X built at TSMC 16FF+ or Samsung 14 LPE / 14LPP. With a 16/14nm FINFET SOC and a next gen PowerVR Series 7 based GPU combined with Metal, the next gen iPad will be capable of powering Frostbite 3 based games at reasonably good quality settings and fps. The resolution will have to be lowered to something like 900p to achieve medium-high quality without AA. But still it would be amazing on a mobile device. In 2 -3 years we will see 3D memory using Wide I/O 2 which will complete the transformation of these mobile devices into full fledged gaming devices :thumbsup:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8706/imagination-announces-powervr-series7-gpus-series7xt-series7xe
http://www.jedec.org/news/pressreleases/jedec-publishes-wide-io-2-mobile-dram-standard

 

[tential]

So now we're comparing gaming benchmarks to synthetic benchmarks

Who was apples to apples comparisons?

 

[Xeon_Addict]

In December 2011, the iPhone was at 45nm and PC GPUs were at 28nm.

In December 2014, the iPhone is at 20nm and PC GPUs are at 28nm.

It's time we admitted that we're no longer the leading edge.

Um... Can the iPhone run AutoCAD, Solidworks, ArcGIS, or Photoshop?

If it can, will upgrade asap...

 

[Haserath]

It's interesting to watch people in denial. Want to see what this means in real terms?

In 3 years we have gone from the HD7970 to the GTX 980. Not a bad performance increase, right? It's almost twice as fast!

Meanwhile, the iPhone went from iPhone 4S to iPhone 6. And its GPU is more than 8 times faster.

(I had to pull results from two different sites to make the comparison, because they don't tend to benchmark 3 year old phones any more... because they are moving so fast.)

Dockable "desktop" computers*drool*

When can I get one that runs Windows software/equivalent.

 

[Donts00tmesanta]

so which phone can run crysis?

 

[dangerman1337]

no idea about theframe rate but it definitely works on apple stuff.
http://www.frostbite.com/2014/11/frostbite-tech-demo-battlefield-4-on-ios/

btw this is before Apple makes the jump to more powerful FINFET SOCs like A9X built at TSMC 16FF+ or Samsung 14 LPE / 14LPP. With a 16/14nm FINFET SOC and a next gen PowerVR Series 7 based GPU combined with Metal, the next gen iPad will be capable of powering Frostbite 3 based games at reasonably good quality settings and fps. The resolution will have to be lowered to something like 900p to achieve medium-high quality without AA. But still it would be amazing on a mobile device. In 2 -3 years we will see 3D memory using Wide I/O 2 which will complete the transformation of these mobile devices into full fledged gaming devices :thumbsup:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/8706/imagination-announces-powervr-series7-gpus-series7xt-series7xe
http://www.jedec.org/news/pressreleases/jedec-publishes-wide-io-2-mobile-dram-standard

There's more to game engines than just graphical features (development, usability of tools etc) also considering Nvidia's Tegra efforts have barely passed 7th generation consoles where the Xbox 360 came out 9 years and considering even the iPhone A8's processor is not as powerful as a 9 year old console I am extremely skeptical (what was the demo replicating? 64 players BF4?).

This article sums it all up: http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/190105-does-the-iphone-6-actually-have-console-quality-graphics

 

[tolis626]

I don't see how anyone can believe that any phone, including the iPhone, will be able to hold a candle to a decent PC. Yes, no one can argue that smartphone SoC's saw tremendous improvements, but how can anyone compare this directly to what happens on the PC? 7 years ago there really were no smartphones (There were PDA-style phones with Windows Mobile that sucked totally), so the rapid growth rate of their performance is understandable. Combine that with the fact that a smartphone has become somewhat of a fashion thing, and everyone has to have something better. And in 2014 we have what? GeForce 6800-7800 level of performance? Same goes for the CPU. A Core2Duo is still faster than anything on a smartphone SoC. It uses more power, but it's also much older.

Smartphones (And tablets for that matter) have improved very much very fast over the last few years, but they still are stuck at being good for their intended use and little more than that. The day that a smartphone sized device can replace a desktop for more than browsing facebook is a long, long way away.

 

[Gryz]

Moore's Law is not about the size of transistors.

Moore's Law is about "the complexity for minimum component costs".

In other words, the economic feasibility of reducing the size of transitors. How profitable is it to reduce transitors and chipsize. And improve performance. And reduce power-usage. How economically viable is the new technology ?

Smart-phone buyers come in 2 types, imho. Type one are idiots, who want and need to have the newest of the newest, and the fastest of the fastest. Cost is no concern. They happily pay $1k for a phone. The other half are sheep who slowly follow the first half.

These people are willing to pay a premium price for the latest technology. The market is there. Therefor the suppliers of high-tech stuff are focusing their products on that market. New chip-technologies are still scarce. Therefor those wafers will go to smartphones. And other markets, like GPUs, will follow later. But in a year or so, cost of the latest chips will have come down. And new GPUs will be made. With new technology and more performance.

I didn't buy a Titan. I didn't find the cost justifiable. I know the Titan is out there, and I don't have it. I am fine with that. Next year, new GPUs will come out with 20nm technology. Their faster speed over my current gtx680 will make it economically justifiable for me to buy a new GPU. And then I will do that. I just need a little patience.
And I still won't care about smartphones.

 

[jpbutler]

Nope. But that 7mm ARM SoC would consume how many milliwatts vs the 84W<?> in the i7?

What about a parallel array of 7nm ARM SoCs that consumed 84watts? That would be some serious computing power.

 

[Bateluer]

What about a parallel array of 7nm ARM SoCs that consumed 84watts? That would be some serious computing power.

If software was developed for it, then yes.

 

[alcoholbob]

Can iPhone run crysis?

Sure, at 320x200.