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Spacehead

Lifer
Jun 2, 2002
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I fucking loved math all through Algebra and even Geometry was okay. I hit Trig and said FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK that. Bye bye Computer Science degree.

I took Pre-calc and Business Calc and had no problem with either though. For whatever reason I just hated trig.
High school algebra wasn't too bad, geometry i need help from my friends to "get it", trig & calculus i was lost completely. Now i use trig every day at work. I think if our teacher would of given us some real world use for it back then i probably would of had a better undestanding.
 
Nov 8, 2012
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High school algebra wasn't too bad, geometry i need help from my friends to "get it", trig & calculus i was lost completely. Now i use trig every day at work. I think if our teacher would of given us some real world use for it back then i probably would of had a better undestanding.

Like I said... Algebra I LOVED. Geometry was "ok".... I took a snort of trig in community college... and not even 2 weeks into it I said "Nope, fuck this" and dropped the course by the deadline to get the refund.

I do find it odd that I had problems with calculus (and business calc) though.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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I was always strong in math and in the advanced classes. I took AP calc in highschool and got college credit for it and took Calc 2 my freshman year in college. I was a computer science major and the toughest math class I ever took was discrete math. However, that course was the "weed out" course in sophomore, and it was like intentionally made harder than it needed to be.

Looking back though, it wasn't really all about knowing derivatives, or memorizing all these equations, or any of that. I feel taking all this complex math just made me think in a different way and just helped me progress the way I can approach problems and think outside the box.
 
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I was always strong in math and in the advanced classes. I took AP calc in highschool and got college credit for it and took Calc 2 my freshman year in college. I was a computer science major and the toughest math class I ever took was discrete math. However, that course was the "weed out" course in sophomore, and it was like intentionally made harder than it needed to be.

Looking back though, it wasn't really all about knowing derivatives, or memorizing all these equations, or any of that. I feel taking all this complex math just made me think in a different way and just helped me progress the way I can approach problems and think outside the box.
Ive been meaning to ask a fellow CS major.... Did all the trig and calc 4 and all that shit really help much from a programming perspective?

I always thought the math courses in conjunction with CS courses was a bit overblown.

Don't get me wrong I understand the use of math in general with programming... But I can't say I ever saw trig elements when I've programmed... And although I'm not a CS major I've done programming for personal and professional work a handful of times.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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Ive been meaning to ask a fellow CS major.... Did all the trig and calc 4 and all that shit really help much from a programming perspective?

I always thought the math courses in conjunction with CS courses was a bit overblown.

Don't get me wrong I understand the use of math in general with programming... But I can't say I ever saw trig elements when I've programmed... And although I'm not a CS major I've done programming for personal and professional work a handful of times.
Like I said, it's not necessarily about the formulas or equations. It's a lot about developing a mindset that will help with critical thinking and figure out how to solve complex problems.

I have done some stuff where I have used trig though, but it was for gaming stuff for the most part. I have used some as well when calculating some rotating objects around a point. But it wasn't like I remembered exactly what I had to do as far as knowing that the cos(x) would get me what I wanted. But I knew that there was I could do what I needed to do and through a quick google search I figured out exactly what was needed.
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
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Sadly, I've always wanted to lern math...but no one has ever been able to make me...'rithmatic I'm fine....but as soon as you add squiggly lines and letters...it turns into some obscure dialect...Martian, I suspect...and I go blank.
This is exactly right. I speak english, put the problem in english and I can solve it (if it's easy).
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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I was always strong in math and in the advanced classes. I took AP calc in highschool and got college credit for it and took Calc 2 my freshman year in college. I was a computer science major and the toughest math class I ever took was discrete math. However, that course was the "weed out" course in sophomore, and it was like intentionally made harder than it needed to be.

Looking back though, it wasn't really all about knowing derivatives, or memorizing all these equations, or any of that. I feel taking all this complex math just made me think in a different way and just helped me progress the way I can approach problems and think outside the box.


Whut? My comp sci degree basically came with a math major as well.
 

sdifox

No Lifer
Sep 30, 2005
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Ive been meaning to ask a fellow CS major.... Did all the trig and calc 4 and all that shit really help much from a programming perspective?

I always thought the math courses in conjunction with CS courses was a bit overblown.

Don't get me wrong I understand the use of math in general with programming... But I can't say I ever saw trig elements when I've programmed... And although I'm not a CS major I've done programming for personal and professional work a handful of times.


Depends on what you do. More relevant on engineering side of things. Not so much in finance. Stochastic Calculus is used for stock market.
 
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MagnusTheBrewer

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Jun 19, 2004
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The vast majority of people would be better served by a mathematics curriculum in which the end game was mastering statistics instead of calculus. Calculus is essential for hard science and engineering. Statistics is valuable for everyone.
Said no one ever. Stats are a poor tool for the most important aspect of math, estimating.
 

Ajay

Lifer
Jan 8, 2001
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Whut? My comp sci degree basically came with a math major as well.

We take a ton of math in physics, more than needed for a minor. Basically, in physics, the math minor is implied so none of us could apply for the minor.
 

OccamsToothbrush

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Aug 21, 2005
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Arranged in order your suppose to learn.
1.Pre-Algebra
2.Algebra
3.Geometry
4.Trigonometry
5.Pre-Calculus
6.Calculus

Hey, is there a list of English classes too? Which level teaches the difference between "your" and "you're"? While the rest of us is a-learning to cipher our gazintas like good little Jethros you can bone up on your grammar.
 

BoomerD

No Lifer
Feb 26, 2006
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Hey, is there a list of English classes too? Which level teaches the difference between "your" and "you're"? While the rest of us is a-learning to cipher our gazintas like good little Jethros you can bone up on your grammar.

ooh...the gazintas...I remember those.
 

Arx Allemand

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When we grew up it was like this for the GT kids:

4th grade: Pre Algebra
5th grade: Algebra I
6th grade: Algebra II
7th grade: Geometry
8th grade: Trigonometry
9th grade: Pre Calculus
10th grade: Calculus I
11th grade: Calculus II
12th grade: Advanced Calculus / Multi Variable Calculus

Of course nowadays you have to attend college and get at least a bachelor's degree to be essentially even with what a high school diploma was in the 1970s.

And another thing, arithmetic ≠ mathematics!
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
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When we grew up it was like this for the GT kids:

4th grade: Pre Algebra
5th grade: Algebra I
6th grade: Algebra II
7th grade: Geometry
8th grade: Trigonometry
9th grade: Pre Calculus
10th grade: Calculus I
11th grade: Calculus II
12th grade: Advanced Calculus / Multi Variable Calculus

Of course nowadays you have to attend college and get at least a bachelor's degree to be essentially even with what a high school diploma was in the 1970s.

And another thing, arithmetic ≠ mathematics!



I went to high school in the late 90s early 00s and for me it was

6th Alg1
7th Alg2
8th "Plane Geometry"
9th Trig and "Analytic Geometry"
10th Calc 1 (AB)
11th Stats and Calc 2 (BC)
12th Advanced Calculus (was done in conjunction with local community College for credit beyond the AP credit from AB and BC)

Something like that.. It's been awhile.
 

Gizmo j

Senior member
Nov 9, 2013
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I've recently been digesting these playlist to prepare for Computer Engineering.
 

Muse

Lifer
Jul 11, 2001
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The vast majority of people would be better served by a mathematics curriculum in which the end game was mastering statistics instead of calculus. Calculus is essential for hard science and engineering. Statistics is valuable for everyone.
There's something to be said for that. I've taken all mentioned, have a degree in math. I took one stat course at the U, Stat 101 or something, aced it. Yes, very useful and I wouldn't say it doesn't belong as #7 on the list. It was a long time ago, I don't recall a lot of stat. But some concepts have stuck.

I would say, though, that not understanding calculus if you have learned those others would be a shame. So much of our culture, our technical culture is made possible by calculus and not knowing calculus detracts from grasping what we have. Personally, I had no difficulty with calculus. I was in the honors math class as a freshman and it was all about getting a firm, rigorous theoretical understanding of calculus. Great course, and taught by my favorite math teacher of all time, Murray Protter, who later went on to become head of the department at UC Berkeley. Warm man with a sense of humor, but no clown. He brought himself to the classroom, not just the subject matter. One of a kind, I guess. I got 100% on the midterm!

I still have most all of my university level math books, but haven't seen that stat text.
 
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