Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
As the article describes, they would use it from spraying entryways of housing to keep misquotos out of the peoples houses. This would only require a small amount to be done annually. It appears most people are incable of RTFA.
What's the evidence that DDT inside the home prevents malaria infection in a given population? People will still be targeted by mosquitoes outside the home, surely.
DDT pretty much keeps the mosuitos away where it is sprayed. Outside the home, people will still need to wear mosquite repellant.
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: SuperTool
Is there anything stopping those countries from using DDT?
I beleive there is some sort of international ban on it.
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
As the article describes, they would use it from spraying entryways of housing to keep misquotos out of the peoples houses. This would only require a small amount to be done annually. It appears most people are incable of RTFA.
What's the evidence that DDT inside the home prevents malaria infection in a given population? People will still be targeted by mosquitoes outside the home, surely.
DDT pretty much keeps the mosuitos away where it is sprayed. Outside the home, people will still need to wear mosquite repellant.
And of course, poor people in third world nations affected by malaria can so easily afford to buy a personal insect repellant, right?!? Maybe they should just take a dust bath in DDT powder every day, if it's so safe.
What makes you think DDT is safer, or more effective, around the home than the kinds of products WE use around the home (in the fly-sprays, etc.)?
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
As the article describes, they would use it from spraying entryways of housing to keep misquotos out of the peoples houses. This would only require a small amount to be done annually. It appears most people are incable of RTFA.
What's the evidence that DDT inside the home prevents malaria infection in a given population? People will still be targeted by mosquitoes outside the home, surely.
DDT pretty much keeps the mosuitos away where it is sprayed. Outside the home, people will still need to wear mosquite repellant.
And of course, poor people in third world nations affected by malaria can so easily afford to buy a personal insect repellant, right?!? Maybe they should just take a dust bath in DDT powder every day, if it's so safe.
What makes you think DDT is safer, or more effective, around the home than the kinds of products WE use around the home (in the fly-sprays, etc.)?
DDT is inexpenive, long lasting and effective and keeping mosquitos away. Why dont you go try living over there and then tell us why those that want to keep people from using DDT are wrong.
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
As the article describes, they would use it from spraying entryways of housing to keep misquotos out of the peoples houses. This would only require a small amount to be done annually. It appears most people are incable of RTFA.
What's the evidence that DDT inside the home prevents malaria infection in a given population? People will still be targeted by mosquitoes outside the home, surely.
DDT pretty much keeps the mosuitos away where it is sprayed. Outside the home, people will still need to wear mosquite repellant.
And of course, poor people in third world nations affected by malaria can so easily afford to buy a personal insect repellant, right?!? Maybe they should just take a dust bath in DDT powder every day, if it's so safe.
What makes you think DDT is safer, or more effective, around the home than the kinds of products WE use around the home (in the fly-sprays, etc.)?
DDT is inexpenive, long lasting and effective and keeping mosquitos away. Why dont you go try living over there and then tell us why those that want to keep people from using DDT are wrong.
Why don't you advocate the funding of safer, and more effective, but more costly alternatives to DDT? Are more wealthy nations helping out in this area?
Originally posted by: charrison
Why dont you go try living over there and then tell us why those that want to keep people from using DDT are wrong.
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
As the article describes, they would use it from spraying entryways of housing to keep misquotos out of the peoples houses. This would only require a small amount to be done annually. It appears most people are incable of RTFA.
What's the evidence that DDT inside the home prevents malaria infection in a given population? People will still be targeted by mosquitoes outside the home, surely.
DDT pretty much keeps the mosuitos away where it is sprayed. Outside the home, people will still need to wear mosquite repellant.
Originally posted by: charrison
I am not foolish enough to not use products that are safe and effective when used properly.
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
I am not foolish enough to not use products that are safe and effective when used properly.
You would use DDT yourself around your family home?
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
I am not foolish enough to not use products that are safe and effective when used properly.
You would use DDT yourself around your family home?
I'm not charrison, but there isn't Malaria infested mosquitoes, but there are West Nile mosquitoes around here. DDT doesn't make any sense around here, because we do a lot of draining, use other preventative measures, and have good educaton and marking for where the infected mosquitoes are.
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
I am not foolish enough to not use products that are safe and effective when used properly.
You would use DDT yourself around your family home?
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
As the article describes, they would use it from spraying entryways of housing to keep misquotos out of the peoples houses. This would only require a small amount to be done annually. It appears most people are incable of RTFA.
What's the evidence that DDT inside the home prevents malaria infection in a given population? People will still be targeted by mosquitoes outside the home, surely.
DDT pretty much keeps the mosuitos away where it is sprayed. Outside the home, people will still need to wear mosquite repellant.
"Pretty much"? Gee, that really inspires confidence. :disgust:
Originally posted by: BOLt
My grandmother, may her soul rest in peace, died of malaria some years back. The ONLY reason she died was that there was no medicine for her to take to treat or cure her. I think the drug most often used to stop malaria is quinine, though I may be mistaking it for the drug used to cure yellow fever or something, but the local hospital did not have a supply of whatever drug is necessary to cure her simply because it was too expensive. My grandmother lived in India along with my grandfather and she died in my grandfather's arms because the drug that could have been used to help her was too expensive for the hospital to stock. What kind of rubbish is that? That's the worst reason for someone to die -- simple because one's country or city or town or whatever does not have enough money. It makes me so angry, and she was the last person on earth to deserve that. She was the modern day Mother Teresa by all accounts.
I hope someday, that these things won't have to happen.
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
Why dont you go try living over there and then tell us why those that want to keep people from using DDT are wrong.
Why don't you try sprinkling DDT powder around your family home (or even better, provide studies indicating safety) before you start advocating use of this substance as a household insect repellant.
Quit being such an a$$hole. I am not advocating against DDT use for malaria. What I am asking for is relevant safety data. I do wonder why you are turning this into a liberal bashing exercise. If you have the science that this substance is safe, then present it.
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
Why dont you go try living over there and then tell us why those that want to keep people from using DDT are wrong.
Why don't you try sprinkling DDT powder around your family home (or even better, provide studies indicating safety) before you start advocating use of this substance as a household insect repellant.
Quit being such an a$$hole. I am not advocating against DDT use for malaria. What I am asking for is relevant safety data. I do wonder why you are turning this into a liberal bashing exercise. If you have the science that this substance is safe, then present it.
There has never been a study to show DDT is harmful in ANY way to humans.
Originally posted by: illustri
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
Why dont you go try living over there and then tell us why those that want to keep people from using DDT are wrong.
Why don't you try sprinkling DDT powder around your family home (or even better, provide studies indicating safety) before you start advocating use of this substance as a household insect repellant.
Quit being such an a$$hole. I am not advocating against DDT use for malaria. What I am asking for is relevant safety data. I do wonder why you are turning this into a liberal bashing exercise. If you have the science that this substance is safe, then present it.
There has never been a study to show DDT is harmful in ANY way to humans.
What about to animals? I'm completely new to this DDT concern; I've used it in the lab without thinking why its a controlled substance. It would be unacceptable if it adversely affects animal population, expecially farm variety... these people depend on that to survive.
This is not entirely correct, and studies of animals have suggested that DDT can cause liver cancer. You don't want to actually expose humans to prolonged levels of DDT in order to find out.Originally posted by: ntdz
There has never been a study to show DDT is harmful in ANY way to humans.
http://www.eco-usa.net/toxics/ddt.shtmlPeople exposed for a long time to small amounts, such as people who made DDT, had some reversible changes in the levels of liver enzymes. However, there was no sign that DDT caused permanent harmful effects.
Animals studies show that long term exposure to DDT may affect the liver. Tests in animals also suggest that short term exposure to DDT in food may have a harmful effect on reproduction.
Studies in animals have shown that oral exposure to DDT can cause liver cancer and/or liver damage.
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
As the article describes, they would use it from spraying entryways of housing to keep misquotos out of the peoples houses. This would only require a small amount to be done annually. It appears most people are incable of RTFA.
What's the evidence that DDT inside the home prevents malaria infection in a given population? People will still be targeted by mosquitoes outside the home, surely.
DDT pretty much keeps the mosuitos away where it is sprayed. Outside the home, people will still need to wear mosquite repellant.
"Pretty much"? Gee, that really inspires confidence. :disgust:
Care to name any product that is 100% effective.
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: illustri
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
Why dont you go try living over there and then tell us why those that want to keep people from using DDT are wrong.
Why don't you try sprinkling DDT powder around your family home (or even better, provide studies indicating safety) before you start advocating use of this substance as a household insect repellant.
Quit being such an a$$hole. I am not advocating against DDT use for malaria. What I am asking for is relevant safety data. I do wonder why you are turning this into a liberal bashing exercise. If you have the science that this substance is safe, then present it.
There has never been a study to show DDT is harmful in ANY way to humans.
What about to animals? I'm completely new to this DDT concern; I've used it in the lab without thinking why its a controlled substance. It would be unacceptable if it adversely affects animal population, expecially farm variety... these people depend on that to survive.
The big reason DDT was banned is because it killed Bald Eagles, and was bad for some other animals I can't think of. It didn't hurt any farm/dairy animals, and it saves millions of HUMAN lives. Frankly, I'll kill a million animals to save a million human lives (even though it was nothing like that for animals).
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
As the article describes, they would use it from spraying entryways of housing to keep misquotos out of the peoples houses. This would only require a small amount to be done annually. It appears most people are incable of RTFA.
What's the evidence that DDT inside the home prevents malaria infection in a given population? People will still be targeted by mosquitoes outside the home, surely.
DDT pretty much keeps the mosuitos away where it is sprayed. Outside the home, people will still need to wear mosquite repellant.
"Pretty much"? Gee, that really inspires confidence. :disgust:
Care to name any product that is 100% effective.
Just to be clear: you are advocating use of a product suspected of causing all manner of adverse environemtnal & health consequences, but:
1) you can't tell me how effective it is (at the intended purpose), and
2) You don't have safety data indicating this product is safe when used as directed.
Right.
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: Mill
Originally posted by: aidanjm
Originally posted by: charrison
I am not foolish enough to not use products that are safe and effective when used properly.
You would use DDT yourself around your family home?
I'm not charrison, but there isn't Malaria infested mosquitoes, but there are West Nile mosquitoes around here. DDT doesn't make any sense around here, because we do a lot of draining, use other preventative measures, and have good educaton and marking for where the infected mosquitoes are.
Why can't those measures be implemented in the third world? Are wealthy first-world nations stepping up to the plate, and offering funding assistance for the eradication of malaria? If not, then why not?