I've been invaded by aliens. RTX 2080 Ti *Updated 5/6*

Page 2 - Seeking answers? Join the AnandTech community: where nearly half-a-million members share solutions and discuss the latest tech.

n0x1ous

Platinum Member
Sep 9, 2010
2,572
248
106
strange that they would suggest that. I have 2 FE's direct from Nvidia from launch and when I contacted them for the space invaders they did advanced RMA's immediately. both replacement cards have been perfect ever since.
 

EXCellR8

Diamond Member
Sep 1, 2010
3,982
839
136
I would think NVIDIA has better and more immediate access to stock than its subsidiaries... makes sense that EVGA would suggest possible fixes before issuing a return.
 

LTC8K6

Lifer
Mar 10, 2004
28,520
1,575
126
He's dead, Jim. Not even 5 months old:



eVGA RTX 2080 Ti "Black Edition"
Run for most of its short life at 80% power limit
Always running nice and cool with 7 case fans including 2 bottom intakes blowing cold air directly on it.

Subsequent reboots yielded black screen/crash in Windows as soon as it hits 3D clocks.

Press 'F' to pay respects.

*****

4/29/2019 update: Per eVGA support advice, I tried the following:


Because of the black screening issue, it took several tries to implement the suggested "fix" (really, a less-than-ideal bandaid). I'm happy to report that the card actually functions, with some serious drawbacks.
1) The card runs at the base clock as its minimum clock
2) The card draws ~70W GPU *core only* at "idle" as a result (over 100W for sure with GDDR6/VRM losses included).
3) If I were to ever try to resell the card, the fact that you have to use this bandaid (and initially struggle with black screens/freezing to implement it) would probably seriously tank its resale value.

So, the card works and I'm stress-testing it now. But I'm likely not returning it to duty in my main rig due to idle power draw.

The question remains as to the cause of this issue, and why it only affects certain cards. Is it a design defect, an overly aggressive power management profile, a hardware issue, or some combination of the above?

Another question: Will whatever caused this issue lead to a reduced lifespan for the card? I still have over 2.5 years of warranty left, and the card WILL get beat on, so stay tuned on that front.
So when are you getting a replacement? That's certainly not what you paid for.
 
Reactions: OILFIELDTRASH
May 13, 2009
12,333
612
126
I've read it's bad memory that's pushed too high. I can't understand why nvidia won't use Samsung memory on something this high end? Especially at the prices they are charging. This is just one of many reasons to avoid this turd-ing line of cards altogether. My gtx 1080 should suffice just fine until the new amd cards come out.
 

n0x1ous

Platinum Member
Sep 9, 2010
2,572
248
106
I've read it's bad memory that's pushed too high. I can't understand why nvidia won't use Samsung memory on something this high end? Especially at the prices they are charging. This is just one of many reasons to avoid this turd-ing line of cards altogether. My gtx 1080 should suffice just fine until the new amd cards come out.

My launch cards were both Micron and both replacements were Samsung FWIW. Although Gamers Nexus analysis said the memory was within spec as far as temps go etc. Maybe just a bad batch.
 

ozzy702

Golden Member
Nov 1, 2011
1,151
530
136
My launch cards were both Micron and both replacements were Samsung FWIW. Although Gamers Nexus analysis said the memory was within spec as far as temps go etc. Maybe just a bad batch.

Haven't there been reports of space invaders with Samsung memory? I could have sworn this was the case.
 

guskline

Diamond Member
Apr 17, 2006
5,338
476
126
IEC, sorry to hear of this. I had to RMA my Radeon VII (new one is on its way from ASrock good job ASrock)

I decided to go 9900k/2080TI and bought the EVGA GTX2080TI black edition. GPU-Z lists my memory as Samsung.

So far so good. I just snagged an EVGA Hybrid kit for this gpu from EVGA so when it comes I'll keep you informed.

I'm cooling the 9900k with a Kraken X72 360mm aio.

The 2080TI (even Black Edition) is blazing fast.

Good luck
 
Reactions: IEC

Stuka87

Diamond Member
Dec 10, 2010
6,240
2,559
136
Haven't there been reports of space invaders with Samsung memory? I could have sworn this was the case.

I thought one of the review sites had gotten them with both versions of the card? Maybe it was [H]? If it is a power management issue, this would make sense.
 

alexruiz

Platinum Member
Sep 21, 2001
2,836
556
126
So eVGA are not issuing RMAs for this problem?
I have an RTX 2070 XC black that developed the same issue.
Micron memory by the way.

I had also a Gigabyte WF3 RTX 2070 that also exhibited the behavior, and Gigabyte issued the RMA the very same day I contacted them

Got the eVGA because of the hype of their "superior" customer service...
 

crashtech

Lifer
Jan 4, 2013
10,546
2,138
146
I get the impression that they might issue an RMA if you indicate the "fix," which is closer to a kludge, is unacceptable.

There's no way I would spend that kind of money for a partially broken card.
 
Reactions: Phynaz

Fir

Senior member
Jan 15, 2010
484
194
116
This is why I buy at my local Microcenter. I always pay for the two year replacement plan. If the card dies I can still RMA but if I use the replacement plan I get a gift card for the full purchase price. Play again.

I've had a handful of 2080Ti cards from Asus, EVGA and MSI all produce space invaders after just two days of Heaven or Valley looping. Ridiculous! So I decided to return them (all failures well within 30 day return period) and stick with my 1080ti FTW edition. Which incidentally is covered until 12/24/2019.
 

DrMrLordX

Lifer
Apr 27, 2000
21,794
11,143
136
I've had a handful of 2080Ti cards from Asus, EVGA and MSI all produce space invaders after just two days of Heaven or Valley looping. Ridiculous!

Ugly. Out of curiosity, did that happen during the loops process itself, or after you stopped the loop?
 

ozzy702

Golden Member
Nov 1, 2011
1,151
530
136
I get the impression that they might issue an RMA if you indicate the "fix," which is closer to a kludge, is unacceptable.

This sounds more accurate based on my experiences with EVGA, although it's pretty sad that they even suggest this "fix" in the first place. I wonder if NVIDIA is playing hardball with their partners, my guess is that they are given their recent attitude.
 

Fir

Senior member
Jan 15, 2010
484
194
116
Ugly. Out of curiosity, did that happen during the loops process itself, or after you stopped the loop?

Good question! ALL of them did NOT fail DURING the testing. I thought it was fine and then the next day as soon as any 3D app was launched the system would freeze often raining the frame with alleged space invaders! Power off, repeating and with each iteration the time would get shorter. Eventually the system would fail POST and produce beeps like no card was detected. Power off for 30 min, come back, POST and boot into Windows OK. Run even a windowed 3D APP, instant blue screen. Did not bother changing any settings because I believe a significant change like this is hardware failure, period.
 
Reactions: lightmanek

ozzy702

Golden Member
Nov 1, 2011
1,151
530
136
Good question! ALL of them did NOT fail DURING the testing. I thought it was fine and then the next day as soon as any 3D app was launched the system would freeze often raining the frame with alleged space invaders! Power off, repeating and with each iteration the time would get shorter. Eventually the system would fail POST and produce beeps like no card was detected. Power off for 30 min, come back, POST and boot into Windows OK. Run even a windowed 3D APP, instant blue screen. Did not bother changing any settings because I believe a significant change like this is hardware failure, period.

Sounds a whole lot like some kind of rapid degradation of a component.
 

DrMrLordX

Lifer
Apr 27, 2000
21,794
11,143
136
Good question! ALL of them did NOT fail DURING the testing. I thought it was fine and then the next day as soon as any 3D app was launched the system would freeze often raining the frame with alleged space invaders! Power off, repeating and with each iteration the time would get shorter. Eventually the system would fail POST and produce beeps like no card was detected. Power off for 30 min, come back, POST and boot into Windows OK. Run even a windowed 3D APP, instant blue screen. Did not bother changing any settings because I believe a significant change like this is hardware failure, period.

Hmmmmm . . .

Sounds a whole lot like some kind of rapid degradation of a component.

Maybe, but there's something more going on here than meets the eye. If something is degenerating, it may be related to power delivery/voltage regulation. The cards seem to fail not while running full tilt, but rather in lower power operation modes. OP's card comes back to life once he meddles with the Windows performance profile to prevent lower power operation of the card.
 

Guru

Senior member
May 5, 2017
830
361
106
I mean they've had this issues since the start, it seems like they are still having it. I wonder if its Nvidia's aggressive power management that is leading to hardware degradation, or if through the 12nm process there is a certain hardware degradation, but they are still choosing to sell as 2080ti in order to gain more money, rather than sell as 2080 with no issues.
 

ozzy702

Golden Member
Nov 1, 2011
1,151
530
136
Hmmmmm . . .



Maybe, but there's something more going on here than meets the eye. If something is degenerating, it may be related to power delivery/voltage regulation. The cards seem to fail not while running full tilt, but rather in lower power operation modes. OP's card comes back to life once he meddles with the Windows performance profile to prevent lower power operation of the card.

Maybe there's rapid degradation that's only effected by their aggressive low power settings? Basically unstable at 2d clocks/power, stable at 3d clocks/power.

You can set a custom curve in Afterburner to test this idea but I can't remember if it goes all the way down to idle clocks.
 

DrMrLordX

Lifer
Apr 27, 2000
21,794
11,143
136
Basically unstable at 2d clocks/power, stable at 3d clocks/power.

That's what I'm thinking. The weird thing is that it ships stable but goes unstable after a few months, regardless of the usage pattern. You can beat the hell out of the card or just run it at 80% power limit with low temps and it'll still go bad on you.

@Innokentij

http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...tx-2080-ti-updated-4-29.2564503/post-39804409

You got something to say, or do you just driveby downvote people? Seriously, what's up?
 

railven

Diamond Member
Mar 25, 2010
6,604
561
126
2080 Ti Space Invader survivor! Definitely wouldn't settle on this "fix."

I RMA'd my Zotac 2080 Ti AMP, was nervous since I had it on water (EKWB whatever block). Sent it out, 2 days later got the response it was received, 2 days later was told it couldn't be repaired and they'd have a replacement sent out. Overall 3.5 weeks, with most of the time being shipping and processing.

Original had Micron memory too, new one has Samsung, I haven't had any issues but am waiting before I slap it back into my loop.

I'll probably be going with Microcenter myself. Not sure what scam my Microcenter is running, but I've had them give me a full refund without even really looking at the product. Last return I did was on an Auria monitor. The bezel started to peel, brought it to show them, they gave me gift card. Didn't even turn it on haha. Honestly, just needed a little glue or something but I wasn't going to do it myself and void my warranty (plus I wanted a new monitor anyways).
 
Reactions: Phynaz

YBS1

Golden Member
May 14, 2000
1,945
129
106
Just received my Gigabyte Aorus Extreme Waterforce 2080ti today. I assume this isn't a reference pcb design, anyone know? Does the evidence actually lean toward this only happing to reference designs?
 
Last edited:
sale-70-410-exam    | Exam-200-125-pdf    | we-sale-70-410-exam    | hot-sale-70-410-exam    | Latest-exam-700-603-Dumps    | Dumps-98-363-exams-date    | Certs-200-125-date    | Dumps-300-075-exams-date    | hot-sale-book-C8010-726-book    | Hot-Sale-200-310-Exam    | Exam-Description-200-310-dumps?    | hot-sale-book-200-125-book    | Latest-Updated-300-209-Exam    | Dumps-210-260-exams-date    | Download-200-125-Exam-PDF    | Exam-Description-300-101-dumps    | Certs-300-101-date    | Hot-Sale-300-075-Exam    | Latest-exam-200-125-Dumps    | Exam-Description-200-125-dumps    | Latest-Updated-300-075-Exam    | hot-sale-book-210-260-book    | Dumps-200-901-exams-date    | Certs-200-901-date    | Latest-exam-1Z0-062-Dumps    | Hot-Sale-1Z0-062-Exam    | Certs-CSSLP-date    | 100%-Pass-70-383-Exams    | Latest-JN0-360-real-exam-questions    | 100%-Pass-4A0-100-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-300-135-exams-date    | Passed-200-105-Tech-Exams    | Latest-Updated-200-310-Exam    | Download-300-070-Exam-PDF    | Hot-Sale-JN0-360-Exam    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Exams    | 100%-Pass-JN0-360-Real-Exam-Questions    | Dumps-JN0-360-exams-date    | Exam-Description-1Z0-876-dumps    | Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps    | Dumps-HPE0-Y53-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-HPE0-Y53-Exam    | 100%-Pass-HPE0-Y53-Real-Exam-Questions    | Pass-4A0-100-Exam    | Latest-4A0-100-Questions    | Dumps-98-365-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-98-365-Exam    | 100%-Pass-VCS-254-Exams    | 2017-Latest-VCS-273-Exam    | Dumps-200-355-exams-date    | 2017-Latest-300-320-Exam    | Pass-300-101-Exam    | 100%-Pass-300-115-Exams    |
http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    | http://www.portvapes.co.uk/    |