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TridenT

Lifer
Sep 4, 2006
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Yeah, you get job experience by working entry level jobs.

Per PayScale's cost of living calculator, my income here is the equivalent of $97,648 in San Francisco. I started in late 2012 as an intern.

Make that $120k if you factor in rental income.

I'm pretty sure most income equivalent calculators factor in rent... Unless you're saying you rent out your home or something? (Which you could never own in the bay)
 

Capt Caveman

Lifer
Jan 30, 2005
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Another interview today. Just a hr screener though.

I'm not exactly getting lots of interviews, guys. Like I said before finding jobs I am eligible for and then getting responses to my resume has been super hard.

Based on the fact you're doing nothing to relocate, gain work experience or get any kind of job with a company that you might be interested in locally expect nothing to happen.
 

rudeguy

Lifer
Dec 27, 2001
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It seems the resume itself is lacking the content that employers want. I've posted versions of it here and gotten reviews of it elsewhere. Format wise, it's fine. Language wise, it's also fine. It's the lack of internships and job experience that is hindering.

 

TridenT

Lifer
Sep 4, 2006
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Helpdesk isn't /relevant/ job experience or an internship.

If I got 10 years of experience working helpdesk, no one in a tech company would give a fuck.
 

DrunkenSano

Diamond Member
Aug 8, 2008
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Helpdesk isn't /relevant/ job experience or an internship.

If I got 10 years of experience working helpdesk, no one in a tech company would give a fuck.

You really have no clue how the real world works do you...
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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Helpdesk isn't /relevant/ job experience or an internship.

If I got 10 years of experience working helpdesk, no one in a tech company would give a fuck.

In the IT world, at this stage in your career, anything IT is relevant. You may be focusing on programming, but a solid work history in a help desk, especially if some of that is during school, demonstrates commitment and dependability, something every employer wants. That it is help desk also demonstrates a general knowledge of the various disciplines in the world of computing, which is also desirable.

I was also quick to think I should put some recent experience on my resume, as it didn't revolve around the exact core concept on which I have focused. It still demonstrates history, which, if you have little, is incredibly important on a resume.

And if you can explain your choice in changing direction from that experience, and do so honestly and convincingly, you'll earn brownie points. For jobs where you are competing with multiple others at the interview round, all the brownie points you can get are very much important.

In short, every employer in a tech company will definitively give a fuck.
 

JCH13

Diamond Member
Sep 14, 2010
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Helpdesk isn't /relevant/ job experience or an internship.

If I got 10 years of experience working helpdesk, no one in a tech company would give a fuck.

How do you know this? Do you work at a tech company? Has someone who works at a tech company told you this? Or is this assumption simply a rectal-plucked figment of your imagination?
 

JCH13

Diamond Member
Sep 14, 2010
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In the IT world, at this stage in your career, anything IT is relevant. You may be focusing on programming, but a solid work history in a help desk, especially if some of that is during school, demonstrates commitment and dependability, something every employer wants. That it is help desk also demonstrates a general knowledge of the various disciplines in the world of computing, which is also desirable.

I was also quick to think I should put some recent experience on my resume, as it didn't revolve around the exact core concept on which I have focused. It still demonstrates history, which, if you have little, is incredibly important on a resume.

And if you can explain your choice in changing direction from that experience, and do so honestly and convincingly, you'll earn brownie points. For jobs where you are competing with multiple others at the interview round, all the brownie points you can get are very much important.

In short, every employer in a tech company will definitively give a fuck.

I explained this to him, as have others, already.

TridenT: I'll ask again, from whom would you actually accept advice?
 

jlee

Lifer
Sep 12, 2001
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I'm pretty sure most income equivalent calculators factor in rent... Unless you're saying you rent out your home or something? (Which you could never own in the bay)

I have roommates for teh monies, yo.

Helpdesk isn't /relevant/ job experience or an internship.

If I got 10 years of experience working helpdesk, no one in a tech company would give a fuck.

10 years, yup - because that shows you have zero drive, ability, or desire to learn. 6 months? 12 months? While you are learning, earning a living, and attempting to better yourself? That's a different story.

I was an intern for 3 months before I was promoted. The next promotion was 2 months later. The next one was 11 months later. The next one was 7 months later.

I'm not on a help desk anymore.

Oh, wait - shit, I forgot. Help desk isn't relevant to an IT career. I must be wrong! Don't tell my employer; they might want their money back!
 

MixMasterTang

Diamond Member
Jul 23, 2001
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I have roommates for teh monies, yo.



10 years, yup - because that shows you have zero drive, ability, or desire to learn. 6 months? 12 months? While you are learning, earning a living, and attempting to better yourself? That's a different story.

I was an intern for 3 months before I was promoted. The next promotion was 2 months later. The next one was 11 months later. The next one was 7 months later.

I'm not on a help desk anymore.

Oh, wait - shit, I forgot. Help desk isn't relevant to an IT career. I must be wrong! Don't tell my employer; they might want their money back!

The majority of successful people I know in IT have worked the help desk at one point in their life - from executives, programmers and everyone else. It was almost a right of passage in the late 90s early 2000s. But I guess people like us, who have jobs doing what we want do not know anything about the 'real' job market.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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my only internship while in school was doing helpdesk type work for an aerospace company. after that summer i knew i did not want to ever do that as a career lol.
 

DrunkenSano

Diamond Member
Aug 8, 2008
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Hell, this isn't just isolated to the IT field, it is true for /any/ potential career paths. Not only does working at an entry level job shows work history, ability, desire to learn, what's as important is that you start developing contacts that way as well.

I graduated college as an Aerospace Engineer, found a job as a programmer for a company's Legacy system, doing stuff in old RPG400 and their SYNON tool. Hated it, hated the atmosphere, but before leaving the job I was given an opportunity to work with the company's Logistics department. Now I'm responsible for the company's international export shipments. Mainly because I helped write programs and functions for the Logistics department when I was a programmer, I actually took the time to go visit them, explain or show the processes in person, get to know them compared to the other IT guys. So they gave me a chance.
 

TridenT

Lifer
Sep 4, 2006
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my only internship while in school was doing helpdesk type work for an aerospace company. after that summer i knew i did not want to ever do that as a career lol.

Yep, I did something similar. Except what I did wasn't called an internship. It was a job. :hmm: Unfortunately, those are seen as less valuable.

Hate helpdesk.
 

rudeguy

Lifer
Dec 27, 2001
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The majority of successful people I know in IT have worked the help desk at one point in their life - from executives, programmers and everyone else. It was almost a right of passage in the late 90s early 2000s. But I guess people like us, who have jobs doing what we want do not know anything about the 'real' job market.

I always called it "paying your dues". None of the successful people I know started off doing exactly what they wanted, where they wanted, getting paid what they wanted. You pay your dues on the low rung, move up the next rung and keep moving til you are either happy or tired of climbing.

Idiots that think they are going to be handed $75k jobs with no experience are just idiots.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
Sep 13, 2001
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I always called it "paying your dues". None of the successful people I know started off doing exactly what they wanted, where they wanted, getting paid what they wanted. You pay your dues on the low rung, move up the next rung and keep moving til you are either happy or tired of climbing.

Idiots that think they are going to be handed $75k jobs with no experience are just idiots.

my first "real" job out of college was a software development gig, which is exactly what i wanted to do. my help desk job was during college and just for a summer. i wasn't even looking for a help desk type of job when i graduated, and i probably wouldn't have ever pursued one either.

but yeah, i didn't make the 6 figures right out of school like of course everyone wants to, but i did hit it before the age of 30. my first job was $48k.
 

Ns1

No Lifer
Jun 17, 2001
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my first "real" job out of college was a software development gig, which is exactly what i wanted to do. my help desk job was during college and just for a summer. i wasn't even looking for a help desk type of job when i graduated, and i probably wouldn't have ever pursued one either.

but yeah, i didn't make the 6 figures right out of school like of course everyone wants to, but i did hit it before the age of 30. my first job was $48k.

<insert similar anecdotal experience here, except replace 48k with 33k>
 

Zeze

Lifer
Mar 4, 2011
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<insert similar anecdotal experience here, except replace 48k with 33k>

Those were the days.

I was 32k right out of college as a paper pusher.

Then I got promoted and made 45k 9 mos later.

I remember being unable to sleep at night because I had no money- just living paycheck to paycheck.

$300 car payment + $200 studen loan + car insurance + $600 rent + gas + $$ For EVERYTHING (first time truly living on my own, even toilet paper cost my own money). It was fun realizing first hand that stuff at my parents' home didn't exist for free magically.

I do not miss it.
 

rudeguy

Lifer
Dec 27, 2001
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Those were the days.

I was 32k right out of college as a paper pusher.

Then I got promoted and made 45k 9 mos later.

I remember being unable to sleep at night because I had no money- just living paycheck to paycheck.

$300 car payment + $200 studen loan + car insurance + $600 rent + gas + $$ For EVERYTHING (first time truly living on my own, even toilet paper cost my own money). It was fun realizing first hand that stuff at my parents' home didn't exist for free magically.

I do not miss it.

Man that sounds rough.

Especially when you figure in the whole getting shot at thing.
 

Zstream

Diamond Member
Oct 24, 2005
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maybe if you have a real job. but he has all the time in the world.

only way i would not do more than 1 interview a day would be if i was working already and needed time off for the interview.

but phone interviews/screens? pffft. i did like 2-3 a day when i was looking for a new job. i would just walk out of the building and go walk around on the phone talking to companies.

Fair enough, I really mean a good phone interview, not something a a head hunter or initial feeler would call you for.
 

Zstream

Diamond Member
Oct 24, 2005
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Helpdesk isn't /relevant/ job experience or an internship.

If I got 10 years of experience working helpdesk, no one in a tech company would give a fuck.

I disagree completely. Working at a helpdesk does not mean you live in a silo. you should be networking, talking with developers, engineers etc. while you work. You don't take the skills you learn at a Helpdesk and magically they go away. I've learned many things, good and bad while working in that role.

Oh, that's how I was promoted and in the position I'm in now.
 

TridenT

Lifer
Sep 4, 2006
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I disagree completely. Working at a helpdesk does not mean you live in a silo. you should be networking, talking with developers, engineers etc. while you work. You don't take the skills you learn at a Helpdesk and magically they go away. I've learned many things, good and bad while working in that role.

Oh, that's how I was promoted and in the position I'm in now.

Helpdesk doesn't mean there are teams of software developers/engineers in your company. :\ I should know, I've done helpdesk...
 

Drako

Lifer
Jun 9, 2007
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Helpdesk doesn't mean there are teams of software developers/engineers in your company. :\ I should know, I've done helpdesk...

Nobody here said they were.

You're thicker than a week old batch of concrete.
 
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