I've been traveling for over a month now... make it stop

[Capt Caveman]

The data point of 1 doesn't matter. I have many more data points than you that I can show a trend with. Similarly, those articles show a lot of data that points towards Seattle being an unfriendly city. Big whoop, your neighbor is polite. Plenty of people in Seattle are superficially polite. It doesn't mean they're friendly.

By the virtue of the fact that there is a meetup group for it, it demonstrates there is a fucking strong likelihood for the effect. A meetup group doesn't mean shit to me. I wanted to meet people who DID WHAT I DID. I went out to do what I DO and you know what? Nearly everyone was an cliquish asshole! I know that's hard to understand for you but when you have no common ground with someone, it's difficult to find interest in talking to them. (especially in Seattle where next to no one is funny)

You know, people decide to live in other cheaper cities until they can afford to live in the $2000+/month city by having a job. Getting a job while outside of SF is very common. I know plenty of people who do that. For some reason, it's more difficult for me than it is for others.

You're not a city slicker but you were willing to live in Boston? Lol wtf. Because Boston isn't a city?

I stuck it out in Seattle for 3.5 years to get my degree and come out not only debt free but with plenty of cash to tour the country. Stfu.

Love your excuses and more proof that you're an idiot. Like I said, you're not going to get an entry level job in SF while living and not working in Phoenix with your education and lack of experience. All you need to is move to a cheaper city in the SF area with roommates, work any job to pay the bills and take any job in a tech company you want to work at and network and transfer.

When I moved to SF, I didn't have a job but had interviews lined-up but I also had just brought a company public and had a desired skill set and experience. So, when I relocated, thought I didn't have to work for a long time, it was easy to interview for jobs and get a job at Wells Fargo then CNET. Now, that I'm back in Boston, I still get contacted by companies in SF and Seattle interested in knowing if I want relocate back.

And yes, Boston isn't a city. I'm sure Amazon, Google, FB, VMWare, Microsoft, etc are all building out east coast campuses out here b/c it's not a city, let alone it being a biotech hub and having the highest concentration of colleges/universities and hospitals in the country. Oh and Boston was just announced as the US City to bid for the 2024 Summer Olympics beating out NYC, LA, Chicago and SF. Idiot. More proof of what an idiotic idea it was to travel the country to evaluate cities b/c every city sucked.

 

[TridenT]

Love your excuses and more proof that you're an idiot. Like I said, you're not going to get an entry level job in SF while living and not working in Phoenix with your education and lack of experience. All you need to is move to a cheaper city in the SF area with roommates, work any job to pay the bills and take any job in a tech company you want to work at and network and transfer.

When I moved to SF, I didn't have a job but had interviews lined-up but I also had just brought a company public and had a desired skill set and experience. So, when I relocated, thought I didn't have to work for a long time, it was easy to interview for jobs and get a job at Wells Fargo then CNET. Now, that I'm back in Boston, I still get contacted by companies in SF and Seattle interested in knowing if I want relocate back.

And yes, Boston isn't a city. Idiot.

Boston (pronounced Listeni/ˈbɒstən/) is the capital and largest city[10] of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts in the United States. Boston also serves as county seat of Suffolk County. The largest city in New England, the city proper, covering 48 square miles (124 km2), had an estimated population of 645,966 in 2014,[11] making it the 24th largest city in the United States.[4] The city is the anchor of a substantially larger metropolitan area called Greater Boston, home to 4.5 million people and the tenth-largest metropolitan area in the country.[7] Greater Boston as a commuting region[12] is home to 7.6 million people, making it the sixth-largest Combined Statistical Area in the United States.[8][13]

Sounds like one hell of a large city to me. Especially with this:

• Density 13,340/sq mi (5,151/km2)

If your qualification for a city is it must be NYC then that's a very narrow view on that word. Boston is third most densely populated major city in the USA. (Major being, in my opinion, 500k+ population)

 

[Capt Caveman]

Sounds like one hell of a large city to me. Especially with this:

If your qualification for a city is it must be NYC then that's a very narrow view on that word. Boston is third most densely populated major city in the USA. (Major being, in my opinion, 500k+ population)

You don't get sarcasm probably b/c you don't have a sense of humor. Not sure if you're really this stupid or what. What's your point? You know a city is made of many different neighborhoods right? Living in a neighborhood can make the city very small.

I live in Cambridge, just on the other side of the river from Boston which had a population of 120k varying by the students moving back and forth.

And before I lived/worked in NYC, I live in the suburbs outside of Boston and went to a school in the country, so I wasnt' a city slicker but after living in NYC, Boston, SF and Seattle, I can't see myself living outside of the city yet, I live in a pretty small neighborhood within the city.

This really helps to explain your retard logic and view on everything. You would have thought you'd have learn this when living in Seattle and going to a large University, in that you can make your life as big or small as you want.

Oh, at my company, we have a newly graduated accounting major who wanted to work in Biotech. She took a job as a temporary Accounts Payable clerk. Everyone likes her so much that when an accounting position opens up, the company plans to hire her full-time. Yes, you can do that in Phoenix when you want to work in SF. :biggrin: Not going to happen...

 

[TridenT]

You don't get sarcasm probably b/c you don't have a sense of humor. Not sure if you're really this stupid or what. What's your point? You know a city is made of many different neighborhoods right? Living in a neighborhood can make the city very small.

I live in Cambridge, just on the other side of the river from Boston which had a population of 120k varying by the students moving back and forth.

And before I lived/worked in NYC, I live in the suburbs outside of Boston and went to a school in the country, so I wasnt' a city slicker but after living in NYC, Boston, SF and Seattle, I can't see myself living outside of the city yet, I live in a pretty small neighborhood within the city.

This really helps to explain your retard logic and view on everything. You would have thought you'd have learn this when living in Seattle and going to a large University, in that you can make your life as big or small as you want.

Oh, at my company, we have a newly graduated accounting major who wanted to work in Biotech. She took a job as a temporary Accounts Payable clerk. Everyone likes her so much that when an accounting position opens up, the company plans to hire her full-time. Yes, you can do that in Phoenix when you want to work in SF. :biggrin: Not going to happen...

Cambridge is the worst. No parking for non-residents almost anywhere. I hated being in that place.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Cambridge is the worst. No parking for non-residents almost anywhere. I hated being in that place.

:biggrin: Then become a resident, take public transportation or bike. I bike to work every day and pass Google, VMWare, Microsoft, Akamai, MIT, 20 biotechs, Forrester Research and Amazon Web Services has around 600 employees in my building.

My neighborhood is made up of houses with a population of around 10k if that, I'm a block away from the river and can walk to Harvard, MIT and Boston.

Oh, I've also met numerous folks(mostly MIT students) that are involved in Ball Room dancing.

 

[quikah]

Have you tried applying for QA positions? Not coding, but a good way to get into a tech company that is not helpdesk. Some QA positions can be interesting and involve a lot of scripting.

 

[TridenT]

Have you tried applying for QA positions? Not coding, but a good way to get into a tech company that is not helpdesk. Some QA positions can be interesting and involve a lot of scripting.

I've heard mixed things about QA. It also seems that employers want you to be really interested in QA in order for them to hire you. If you're really wanting to do the creating side of software dev and not QA... they don't want to hire you. And I want to do coding, not QA.

:biggrin: Then become a resident, take public transportation or bike. I bike to work every day and pass Google, VMWare, Microsoft, Akamai, MIT, 20 biotechs, Forrester Research and Amazon Web Services has around 600 employees in my building.

My neighborhood is made up of houses with a population of around 10k if that, I'm a block away from the river and can walk to Harvard, MIT and Boston.

Oh, I've also met numerous folks(mostly MIT students) that are involved in Ball Room dancing.

Ballroom dancing isn't the same as what I do. The dances I do in Boston are so-so in terms of popularity. Most of the stuff is done in Cambridge because the organizers are in college or attached to the colleges. They don't think they can get the popularity if they moved the dances to Boston but that's because they don't know how to market. (it's easy to market to college kids)

 

[TridenT]

Out of all cities visited, capable person would be able to adjust to any of them.

Not true. Many posters here have visited many regions that I have and even lived in them, yet they do not like them at all. Are all ATOTers incapable then? :whiste:

 

[Ken g6]

I've heard mixed things about QA. It also seems that employers want you to be really interested in QA in order for them to hire you. If you're really wanting to do the creating side of software dev and not QA... they don't want to hire you. And I want to do coding, not QA.

You may want to look into automated testing. That's how I got my first CS-related job after college.

 

[yllus]

And as a hiring manager, if your resume came across my desk, I'd toss it.

I'm looking to hire an entry level person, so I'm not looking for specific experience but a pattern of experience that shows intelligence and motivation. Good grades in school, continual work experience that shows they're learning new things and progressing.

I'm also a hiring manager (I manage a team of web developers) who routinely interviews students still in or just completing university. At that level, the resumes are almost all extremely thin, and I find that instead of trying to divine things about the person from a resume, it's more effective to just bring in large amounts of people to interview in person and hope that one or two are a good fit.

So, as someone who doesn't really care too much about GPA, I might have brought in TridenT. I'd quickly ascertain that he was intelligent but utterly devoid of any passion or interest in work, and so I'd play it out for the half hour to be polite and that'd be it. I agree that's what it is at the entry level that gets you the job - showing that you'd bring some intensity or passion to the office. Technical proficiency can be taught - especially to a person who's willing to learn, as that passionate person would be.

And I'm sure you haven't joined at linkedin networking/technology groups in an attempt to network with people that are working in SF tech. Of course, not.

I'd go the Meetup.com route, but LinkedIn groups aren't a bad idea. (They just feel so sterile to me.) You absolutely need a presence on LinkedIn in general, though.

You may want to look into automated testing. That's how I got my first CS-related job after college.

If you can afford to bide your time and start with a job in a developer role, I'd avoid these side entryways if possible. You could be in limbo for years waiting for a developer role if things don't line up just right.

 

[TridenT]

I'm also a hiring manager (I manage a team of web developers) who routinely interviews students still in or just completing university. At that level, the resumes are almost all extremely thin, and I find that instead of trying to divine things about the person from a resume, it's more effective to just bring in large amounts of people to interview in person and hope that one or two are a good fit.

So, as someone who doesn't really care too much about GPA, I might have brought in TridenT. I'd quickly ascertain that he was intelligent but utterly devoid of any passion or interest in work, and so I'd play it out for the half hour to be polite and that'd be it. I agree that's what it is at the entry level that gets you the job - showing that you'd bring some intensity or passion to the office. Technical proficiency can be taught - especially to a person who's willing to learn, as that passionate person would be.



I'd go the Meetup.com route, but LinkedIn groups aren't a bad idea. (They just feel so sterile to me.) You absolutely need a presence on LinkedIn in general, though.



If you can afford to bide your time and start with a job in a developer role, I'd avoid these side entryways if possible. You could be in limbo for years waiting for a developer role if things don't line up just right.

Acting more enthusiastic might help but I am having significant trouble just getting interviews. (gotta get one to nail one) That's my biggest issue these days. If I was getting lots of interviews then I'd have significant feedback on what has been going wrong. From my mock interviews, it seems that most of my issues stem from the technical side. (too slow at solving problems) The rest they say could be smoothed out or even overlooked but the fact I'm so slow at solving technical problems in interviews seems to be a huge red flag to them. (even though I have demonstrated myself as someone capable of holding down a software dev position) But, I'll try to work on it all... however I can manage.

The meetups thing may work if I lived there. I don't know who goes to these meetups beyond the unemployed though? I might be thinking of a different kind though...

And QA is what I consider to be a dark and dangerous path. You might emerge with Diablo's soulstone or be stuck down in hell forever.

 

[darkswordsman17]

OP, the best advice for you is to write a novel about your life and experiences. I'd tentatively title it Catcher in the Rye II.

 

[TridenT]

OP, the best advice for you is to write a novel about your life and experiences. I'd tentatively title it Catcher in the Rye II.

As soon as I start getting into fights with pimps, I'll be sure to write it.

 

[jlee]

This is for you. http://m.imgur.com/gallery/IpRIw

 

[disappoint]

This is for you. http://m.imgur.com/gallery/IpRIw

That is so true but sadly most people will reject it out of subconscious fear over the fact that THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR LIVES, LIVELIHOOD AND HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT IT.

People always want someone or something else to blame. It's easier that way. About as productive as sticking your hand in a running blender though.

 

[allenkerky]

Minneapolis

 

[CraKaJaX]

So I was gone all weekend and this thread is still at the top of ATOT. Well done gentlemen.

Paging TridenT.....

 

[CraKaJaX]

it would be so fucking awesome if TridenT was just trolling us hard as shit all along.

I said that earlier in the thread. It would be pretty epic if he was

Doubtful with known history though... sadly.

 

[TridenT]

Minneapolis

I haven't been. I wanted to visit but I didn't feel like driving 12 hours round trip out of my way for it. (the closest I got was Chicago)

This is for you. http://m.imgur.com/gallery/IpRIw

I don't think the advice applies directly to me. I'm not asking much. I'm asking what is typical of the market. And, in fact, working at a job that does not do anything to advance your career WILL damage your career. This is also true to taking breaks and so forth from employment as that is known to be hazardous to your employment opportunities. You work an irrelevant job or do nothing and your career will be worse than when you started searching for a job.

 

[Capt Caveman]

I haven't been. I wanted to visit but I didn't feel like driving 12 hours round trip out of my way for it. (the closest I got was Chicago)



I don't think the advice applies directly to me. I'm not asking much. I'm asking what is typical of the market. And, in fact, working at a job that does not do anything to advance your career WILL damage your career. This is also true to taking breaks and so forth from employment as that is known to be hazardous to your employment opportunities. You work an irrelevant job or do nothing and your career will be worse than when you started searching for a job.

You don't have a career. You need to just get into a company. At number of companies that I've worked at, we hire on a temporary basis over-qualified people for the receptionist desk. Based on their performance over the first several months, they get hired into their career desired positions. It's an opportunity to test them out with no investment and if they seem competent they get additional duties. They perform well at those, they get hired.

Think why you only get an occasional phone interview, nobody is going to fly out you for an entry level position in the bay area. You're not working, have nothing extraordinary on your resume and not willing to move on your own to the area.

 

[z1ggy]

Damn this thread is still going?!?!?

 

[MixMasterTang]

Damn this thread is still going?!?!?

And Trident's lame ass excuses are still the same!

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Damn this thread is still going?!?!?

Lol, TridenT just needs to stop posting. Seriously.

 

[purbeast0]

I haven't been. I wanted to visit but I didn't feel like driving 12 hours round trip out of my way for it. (the closest I got was Chicago)



I don't think the advice applies directly to me. I'm not asking much. I'm asking what is typical of the market. And, in fact, working at a job that does not do anything to advance your career WILL damage your career. This is also true to taking breaks and so forth from employment as that is known to be hazardous to your employment opportunities. You work an irrelevant job or do nothing and your career will be worse than when you started searching for a job.

you have no job and you have no career. you literally have nothing to lose.

 

[jlee]

you have no job and you have no career. you literally have nothing to lose.

lol, this.