I've had it with Antec

[GalvanizedYankee]

antecCSR, since your in this thread, you just might be able to help some folks.

http://www.theflyingpenguin.com/ >Blog 9/05, Robert had one of your PSUs kill three HDDs in his main rig. Think you could reimburse him I was the guy from Anand's that told him to open his antec PSU for inspection. Email him as he weill remember me. TY

Nice post at DLS Reports, w/pics http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,14116577 Help these folks out too.

Interesting read at page bottom http://www.silentpcreview.com/article273-page5.html

Nice users poll on the 430 http://forums.silentpcreview.com/viewtopic.php?p=231813


Would you be so kind as to explain the cascade effect a bad PSU has on the mainboard, graphics card, HDDs and opticals please. If you can't, do send one of your supposed EEs that designs your units to this thread for a detailed explaination, please. A very willing student awaits, in GalvanizedYankee.


How ya like these apples antecCSR?? In the next few days I'll search this forum for the Antec case complaints here and keep this thread bumped, so it will remain on the first page of this forum. So please do come back atleast once a week.

OH! Have a nice holiday weekend. Be talkin' to ya soon


...Galvanized

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

Originally posted by: Zap

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
I bet Zap thinks the 360W Enhance units he bought are better built than the 330W Antec he has

Damn GY, you got me! Yes, seriously I do think the 360W Enhance is better, plus it cost about half the price.

Well, IMO the Antec PSUs aren't as crappy as many others that you can buy, plus they have a nice retail presence. If your PSU just died and you needed one ASAP, what are you going to find at your local Circuit City? Enhance? Fortron? Zippy? Nope, but you'll find Antec.

Very flawed comment Zap, your brain's logic must be getting it's 5V from an Antec PSU
If quality goods are bought, neither customer service or warrenty is given a passing thought.
Search for the uber-bargain or buy junk and the above is a concern.


I have a 400W Fortron going into it's fifth year with just a fan replacement.

My two Zippys should see 7~10 years of service...Easy. Thier warrenty claims over the last five years is < 1% world wide Zippy/Emacs just don't go bad.

My new Enhance, like your's, has no warrenty sticker to pop. So what if it's opened.
IIRC, the same is true of Enermax PSUs.

Lots of comments about the PSUs that came with the P150s having the warrenty stickers cut as recieved....What's that about

This antecCSR has many questions that need answers.


...Galvanized

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: RKS
Sorry about the mini-rant but as far as I'm concerned Antec makes okay items but certainly not as good as I thought they were.

The PSU got flaky right after the warranty period and it was replaced with a Sparkle that cost less and has much better performance even with more hardware.

As far as the P180 the plastic hooks on the side doors are history, the front door is warped again, and now the entire front assembly is broke off from a small child's knee. The case weighs a ton yet is sooooo fragile. It is getting returned and I'm saving up for the Silverstone TJ-07.

Thanks for listening. I'm sure other have better results but for me I done with Antec.

Edit: As far as noise and heat; I have an old server-size case with more HDDs and a hotter GPU that runs cooler and with less noise.

TJ-07 is not worth the price unless your going to mod the hell out of it or watercool it. Like Galvanized has said, your better off going with a lian li.

Sorry to hear about your p180. i know the doors has always been an issue, but the case is hard to beat for silent pc cooling.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Fullmetal Chocobo
Excuse my ignornace, but how much do people normally pay for a P180? With deals going on, etc, etc. (So google price check doesn't apply to all the deals, so I'm asking what ya'll pay)? Because this kinda ties into the "how much would you pay" thread. Because even with the downfalls of the P180 case / design, if the price is fairly cheap, it's still a hell of a deal. Correct? Or is it considered an expensive case?

EDIT: $120 @ Newegg. That doesn't seem very cheap to me. Wife's case was $55 (Centurion 5). Wow, didn't realize there was that much of a difference.

You want quality you have to pay for quality....
Especially where cases are concerned!!

 

[Fullmetal Chocobo]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Fullmetal Chocobo
Excuse my ignornace, but how much do people normally pay for a P180? With deals going on, etc, etc. (So google price check doesn't apply to all the deals, so I'm asking what ya'll pay)? Because this kinda ties into the "how much would you pay" thread. Because even with the downfalls of the P180 case / design, if the price is fairly cheap, it's still a hell of a deal. Correct? Or is it considered an expensive case?

EDIT: $120 @ Newegg. That doesn't seem very cheap to me. Wife's case was $55 (Centurion 5). Wow, didn't realize there was that much of a difference.

You want quality you have to pay for quality....
Especially where cases are concerned!!

Well, I was being polite instead of saying it seems there are a lot of quality and design problems with a $120 case. Trust me, I believe in paying for quality. My case is a testament to that. If one pays $120 for a case, I would expect some degree of quality, and not all the state issues with the case.

 

[TrevorRC]

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee
OP....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

The TJ-07 is nice but highly over rated if your willing to invest in a high end case,
look to the latest offerings from Lian Li. Lian Li makes cases and rebrands for NO ONE. Antec is just a rebranded brand, they market, they only design a logo & face plate

For a PSU, look to FSP Group, Enermax, Enhance, Seasonic or Sparkle on a budget.

I bet Zap thinks the 360W Enhance units he bought are better built than the 330W Antec he has

Do contact the antecCSR for hand holding. Why would they need to send out reps to forums anywho??? MMmmmmm. Because they sell crap, that's why. Does Lian Li have a rep running around making sure the flack dies down...Don't think so.

This is getting funnyer by the month.


...Galvanized

That might've been a little bit much GY Go easy on us.

OCZ has a forum rep and most other high-end manufacturers who are in touch with their consumer base. Not saying Antec is, but several companies are What AEG did was wrong, but again, most hardware companies do have forum reps.

Instead of the TJ-07, look into the G70--All 120mm fans, low-noise, high-quality construction [not to mention half the price.] For the cost of the TJ-07, you can get a G70, cut a whole in top for watercooling [though that's free], and have enough money left over to reanozide it so it looks even cooler. [Galvanized, check your PMs.]

Or not re-anodize it, and instead buy a complete watercooling setup... or invest that in better hardware... [Personally, I'd go for watercooling It'll stick with you for quite some time.]

I just realized how G70-centric I'm becoming. :brokenheart: Ah well. It's a near perfect-case for the money, so no complaints here...
--Trevor

 

[AntecCSR]

GalvanizedYankee: Thanks, I wasn't aware of DSLreports forums, nor that anyone there had issues with our products. So I'll go check that out.

SilentPcReview: I'm there or had you missed the posts I've made there? As far as the NeoHE + Asus (A8N series and P5 series), yes there was an issue. After much back and forth with Asus a solution as found(keep in mind this was an issue for both companies where both had to work up a solution, not just one). Also over 70,000 NeoHe's have been sold and we've had 1200 returned specifically for this issue (something like 1.7%).

Flying Penguin: Reading his blog it sounds like he's already contacted us. And while not a great resolution, if he hadn't opened his PSU we would have honored the warranty and/or had his equipment sent to us so we could test and if we found that it was indeed the PSU's fault we would have reimbursed him (we've done this in past).

Also I'm not quite sure why you feel to 'challenge' me. Although I do appreciate your help in finding people who may need help with our products. In effect you're making my job easier and I do appreciate that.

As for coming here at least once week, that shouldn't be a problem. Under normal circumstances I'm usually here 3+ times a week. However in mid June give me some leeway please, as I'm taking vacation and July I have 1 business trip for sure, and possibly 3. So my net access/time maybe severely limited.


Oh and I'll see if we can get you an explanation on the effect a bad PSU can have on the whole system. However possibly that's something I'd suggest an independent person/entity should do as an unbiased (ie no company BS, even unintentionally) take on that would likely serve everyone a lot better. Possibly hit up the staff on Anandtech?

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

You should run for public office or be a Presidential press secretary, AntecCSR There would be much more money in it than covering flawed products from Antec.

I will send the folks with Antec related problems to you but will continue to recommend alternatives that are better for le$$ money. Some of your lower end cases are real bargains. If it weren't for the door on the SLK 3000B, I'd be tempted to buy one myself.


...Galvanized

 

[skooma]

Originally posted by: AntecCSR
However in mid June give me some leeway please, as I'm taking vacation and July I have 1 business trip for sure, and possibly 3. So my net access/time maybe severely limited.

Will you leave us your cell # ??

 

[pkme2]

I like my cases nice and practical, no frills just functionality. My three are Lian Li, because I have intake fans cooling my harddrives, main problem for a lot of ATers. Do I need a cooling fan on my hdds? with LLs, the question is answered.
Next comes the PSUs. http://www.psuinquisitor.com/ covers it pretty well and jonnyguru.com does the rest.

Now you have more time to concentrate on the rest of your computer components.

 

[JEDIYoda]

so what do we have here?
Antec hires a politician...rofl

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: BlueWeasel

Originally posted by: GalvanizedYankee

Originally posted by: skooma
Meh. I wasn't trying to pump antec, I just said I was thinking of the P150. I've already PM'd GTaudiophile about it and I'll definitely ask zagood. I'm still a couple weeks away anyway.

OP- I'd also take a look at some coolermasters. I have a CM praetorian (the old one) and the build quality is very good. If not for the 80mm fans, I'd get another of them.

You've add no substance to this thread.



RKS, feel free to PM me if you want any of my rambling as I'm outa here.


...Galvanized

What, so he's got to add something to this thread before you deem it acceptable? Sounds like that's the attitude you take with anyone who doesn't join you in your Antec-bashing ramble.

I don't see the problem with skooma's posts other than he doesn't seem to have the same opinion of Antec PSU's as you. I guess since I've had good luck with numerous of their power supplies over the past few years (using a NeoHE now), that makes me a troll too?

I'm outa here....

Now you understand....
yet you guys are the same ones to tell others who have differing opinions with galvanized to shut up....

 

[mechBgon]

Let's see here. Taking some rough numbers from my work fleet...

36 Antecs x 8 hours per day x 5 days per week x 48 weeks per year x 3 years. So that's an estimated 200,000+ machine hours. We had one TP430 bail at the age of 3 (bad caps), and one SL350 decide not to wake up any more. The rest are on their way to their fifth birthday and then retirement (hopefully). Neither of the failures resulted in harm to the rest of the computer, they're still in service today. I could wish for zero failures, but as it is, I'm not convinced Antec is teh debbil either

If it weren't for the door on the SLK 3000B, I'd be tempted to buy one myself.

The door certainly is a nuisance. If you want a doorless SLK 3000B, look here. Despite the door, I like my SLK-3000B a lot. In fact, I like it far more than my custom-bored Lian-Li PC86 with the ported dual 80mm exhaust and flip-down drive covers and suspended HDD rack and etc etc.

 

[GalvanizedYankee]

teh debbil, no . But in an A/Ced office being properly maintained is not some n00b end
user with an improperly ventilated case, like high negative pressure.

Most of the PSU induced problems here, in GH or TS are caused when running Antec CWT
built units. I do consider the fact that Antec has squeezed CWT.

I have a Fortron well into it's 5th year with just a fan change out, 2xZippys and just bought
an Enhance unit. My next case atm would be an Akasa Eclipse 62@$140+ship. I have two
Lian Li midis.

I will send any Antec complaints I see on this board to AntecCSR...Promise :sun:
But teh debbil will have me get my digs in...Sorry

Your a fine person and searching/reading your posts has been a real education for me mechBgon.
Thank you for being who/what you are. :beer: You gotta buy your own pizza.


...Galvanized

 

[trikster2]

Thanks for the "heads up" I was going to get the P180 specificaly because it looked like it could stand up to my toddler....

 

[Howard]

Let's not be too hostile to the CSR. We do want him to help as much as possible, right?

 

[Tullphan]

Originally posted by: mechBgon

If it weren't for the door on the SLK 3000B, I'd be tempted to buy one myself.

The door certainly is a nuisance. If you want a doorless SLK 3000B, look here. Despite the door, I like my SLK-3000B a lot. In fact, I like it far more than my custom-bored Lian-Li PC86 with the ported dual 80mm exhaust and flip-down drive covers and suspended HDD rack and etc etc.

I've got the case mechBgon is referring to with the 3A Mods & am very pleased with it. No door to worry about breaking & I pretty much had it made the way I wanted. Granted it may have cost as much as others, but it's not an "off the shelf" case, either. With two 92mm's and a 120mm fan hooked into a rheostat that's in one of the 5 1/4" drives, I can have it adjusted it to my mood.

 

[taterworks]

My faith has certainly been shaken by my experience with the first run of Antec NeoHE power supplies, specifically the one that came bundled with my P150. Perhaps 1200 have been specifically returned for the broken warranty sticker issue, but how many have been returned for the no-boot/sporadic shutdown issue? Trying to blame the problem on the ASUS motherboards seems to have only been a cover for problems with the NeoHE's ability to deal with the kind of load that the ASUS board presented to the power supply. It seems like some sort of limiter was engaging prematurely. Call me a masochist, but I've decided to take a chance with an Antec NeoHE 550 in my P150. Some report say that the issues have been fixed, but there are still some units that have issues. At least this time I can just return the PSU to Newegg, instead of figuring out how to ship an entire computer case (that I bought at a Fry's) across the country.

(Addendum: The P150 is a great case. If you want it in black, get the Antec Solo, which is the same thing, but without the sketchy NeoHE PSU bundled wit it.)