i've hit 4.1 gig with Titan Amanda tec cooler sure can go more

[sdsdv10]

I was thinking the same thing.
He has the time to post this topic and work up a photo for Ochungry (thread from a couple of days ago), but he can't put together a couple of quick screen shots....

 

[DrMrLordX]

well, I'd just like to know more about the performance of the Titan Amanda myself . . .

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
well, I'd just like to know more about the performance of the Titan Amanda myself . . .

Titan Amanda doesn't cool as well as a TT Big Typhoon.

 

[Zim]

Originally posted by: myocardia
Titan Amanda doesn't cool as well as a TT Big Typhoon.

Did you actually read that article?

 

[markymoo]

i tell you my situation. the soldered pins on certain asus boards are longer and sharp and caused a short. i had to rma my p5bd. thats why you might of seen a thread post the underside pic of p5bd. i wanted to send pic to titan and asus. i also seeking compensation for the postage of 2 motherboards back next day delivery thats about $80. whose fault is it titan or asus? this is the third one i be using. i fried another p5bd before this one thinking it was blown capacitor that time but it was the amanda backplate again!. i was tempted to change to the badaxe2 at this point. i get one back working on wednesday 27th Dec. i just missed the shipping before xmas. the parcel guys have a hold of it. bahhh. the rma is very fast before it only take 7 days back to me but now is xmas so they were 3 days behind. i have been in contact with the manufacturer of titan in taiwan. over the last week we got to the bottom of this and they insulating all there backplates so this doesnt happen again on asus boards and they sending me a new titan from there german office and a better backplate. they have been very cooperative. i had already raised an rma with the company i bought it off but this will expire now. you take the backplate away and there lots of inprint holes like 12 and 2 did the damage. thats why i smelt burning and there was no visible damage on motherboard but it wasnt obvious at the time. i can still use the amanda i got here still just need to insulate it. otherwise i could of posted results alot earlier. looking at the backplate its very tough material it sure did look adequate. it didnt short straight away but over several days the pins pulled through the material to the metal. so sorry for the delay. nobody more pi$$ed than me. in these anxious times i been waiting i splashed out $450 on top watercooling parts. so i can compare it against that too. managed to fit a thermochill pa120.2 in my kandalf. meanwhile i have been using a old pentium 4 pc cobbled together with parts i had for the last 2 weeks thats why i been able to post here. so dont be put off buying one if you was considering.

i seen reviews saying its not much better than TTBT is surprising to me after my result. previously whatever i did i couldnt go past 468 fsb on air whatever i tried. i didnt even do any nb cooling which proves cooling the nb or wc it isnt always so necessary.

so results are coming

 

[The-Noid]

Pictures like this babe I made through Remote desktop help for stability purposes .

FSB is at 1525, I will change it once I am home. Trying to see what kind ram results you can get at 1:1 3-2-2-8-1T before I left and never changed it back .

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7338/quickscrewoffuf6.jpg

Computer has been running Boinc @ 4,342 mhz for a couple of weeks, so I assume everything is going well though.

 

[DrMrLordX]

At least Titan will wind up improving their backplate as result of your efforts marky. Keep us posted, and good luck.

If the Amanda can outperform any other HSF out there I might get one . . . maybe.

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Pictures like this babe I made through Remote desktop help for stability purposes .

FSB is at 1525, I will change it once I am home. Trying to see what kind ram results you can get at 1:1 3-2-2-8-1T before I left and never changed it back .

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/7338/quickscrewoffuf6.jpg

Computer has been running Boinc @ 4,342 mhz for a couple of weeks, so I assume everything is going well though.

What cooling are you using? The Amanda?

 

[The-Noid]

Single Stage, Just showing how hard it is to actaully get anything 4 ghz + prime stable. I don't think I have seen any shots of prime stability without major subzero temperatures. My cpu idles around -55 and loads around -15 on orthos small ffts. I doubt whether the Titan could be prime stable at those speeds without some major vcore. I can run Pi8m, 4.5 ghz @ 1.49v but computer will freeze on anything higher, and takes 1.66v to be orthos stable at that speed which is way to much for 24/7.

 

[myocardia]

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Single Stage, Just showing how hard it is to actaully get anything 4 ghz + prime stable. I don't think I have seen any shots of prime stability without major subzero temperatures. My cpu idles around -55 and loads around -15 on orthos small ffts. I doubt whether the Titan could be prime stable at those speeds without some major vcore. I can run Pi8m, 4.5 ghz @ 1.49v but computer will freeze on anything higher, and takes 1.66v to be orthos stable at that speed which is way to much for 24/7.

For anyone who doesn't know what "single stage" stands for, it's single stage phase change/vapor change cooling, like this one: Prometeia Mach II.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Single Stage, Just showing how hard it is to actaully get anything 4 ghz + prime stable. I don't think I have seen any shots of prime stability without major subzero temperatures. My cpu idles around -55 and loads around -15 on orthos small ffts. I doubt whether the Titan could be prime stable at those speeds without some major vcore. I can run Pi8m, 4.5 ghz @ 1.49v but computer will freeze on anything higher, and takes 1.66v to be orthos stable at that speed which is way to much for 24/7.

Ah, I see. Thanks for clarifying.

I've been doing some research on HSF/TEC hybrids such as the Amanda and the Vigor Monsoon II, and a few things have become apparent:

1). Both require more case airflow than your standard "quality air" solution
2). Not everyone seems to be able to get these things to outperform the TT Big Typhoon, and I haven't even seen anyone square either the Amanda or Monsoon II off against the Tuniq Tower 120, the TT Ultra-120 w/good fan (100+ cfm), etc. At least marky seems to indicate that in his rig, the Amanda does better than his Noctua unit, though he has not indicated whether or not he was using the stock fan or not.
3). In the case of the Monsoon II, a high-cfm fan like the Vantec Tornado was necessary to really make it work well (and attaching a non-stock fan like that required cutting some wires . . . bleh). Not sure if this is an issue with the Amanda and its two fans, though its performance might be better with faster, noisier fans. Whether or not it supports attachment of non-stock fans is unknown to me.
4). The Amanda is not currently available for sale in the US, and may never be.

So whether or not marky's results are legit or reasonably replicable is anybody's guess. Reviews on the Amanda (and the Monsoon II) seem to be all over the map. At $150, the Monsoon II hardly seems to be "worth it", especially since the best performance I've seen on it in a review required modding and the installation of a Vantec Tornado. The Amanda, on the other hand, *might* be worth the $100 if it can deliver stock performance similar to the Monsoon II + Vantec Tornado and if it could actually be purchased in the US. Heck, I might even look at it if it supported addition of non-stock cooling to bring its performance up to par.

for reference, this is the review where I saw the Monsoon II at its best:

http://reviews.pcapex.com/cooling/vigor_monsoon_ii_cpu_cooler.php?page=5

It did very very well, but considering the fact that the total cost of unit + fan would probably top $160 after shipping and would require modding it to accept an aftermarket fan that is very noisy makes me question whether or not you could do as well with something like an Ultra-120, Noctua nh-12, or what have you and a 220 cfm Delta fan.

 

[The-Noid]

I would just buy a phase change if you are worried about noise and getting great speeds. Check out the Mach II as it is quite quiet and will provide you with a good possibility for 4.1+ ghz prime stable. There are usually used ones in the FS/FT that you can purchase for $400-$500 although this is more then a TEC cooler, you are guaranteed to get good results.

 

[bjc112]

Nice system Yoxxy!

C2D X6800 @ 4.35 (1.62) | 2x 8800 GTX SLI | Enermax Galaxy 1KW | Corsair 6400 C3 Dominator @ 4-4-4-8-1T @ 970 mhz | 2x Raptor Raid 0

/hijack

 

[aigomorla]

Id hate to bash the op, but i heard all aircool TEC products are absolutely worthless. I heard there all extremely LOUD, and they dont give that much of a great improvement over a tuniq tower or even a scythe ninja.

I would definitely like to see some PROOF because from the last 3 reviews ive read on 3 different Air cooled TEC products, they all had the same conculsion, save up get water, or go on tuniq tower/scythe ninja.

 

[markymoo]

@nice result Yoxxy

most of the results have been with amd. i dont care what that one review has shown not good with the typhoon when i know what i surpassed here. reviews said it be no good for conroe as they not enough heat to turn tec on but there is when you heavily overclock. proved em wrong. never would of started this thread and gone to this this effort if i wasn't going to post results! just unfortunate circumstances has caused delays. posting news before proper test is a nono but i didnt expect board to go down on me suddenly. i looked at the monsoon DrMrLordX it looked the tidier unit and seperate psu but was not available here in uk so i plumped for the amanda. DrMrLordX i was using the noctua 12 hsf before with 2x120mm fans. there fans are one of the best out now. look on silentpc for reviews. all i wanted was 4 gig or closer never did i imagine a result like this. what makes it crazy is i did it on 0614 bios. using 0804 didnt make a difference. my board failed before i could do further tests. if you think its unbelivable look on xs , theres oc's on air gone well past 4 gig but they didnt get 4 gig in the reviews does that make it impossible!!?? they have many systems to test at once and limited time. max in reviews is like 3.4. its all about what you willing to do. titan perfected this 60w tec and control its use. its not like normal tec using masses of watts and heat.


@aigomorla
how can the tec be loud its just a copper plate? even with maximum quality 1500rpm fans how can it be LOUD? think man.
it was something to play with for quite awhile and get maximum oc without water and it was a success! beating even some wc. the g.skill hz memory i bought thought would be enough but now getting this surprising result i wonder if i should of bought 1066 memory instead. i slowly moving to water thanks to my friends knowledge on wc which i helped him win the abit overclocking competition in uk. it doesnt suffer from condensation problems. so only pig is if the pci card fails and alarm doesnt sound then you got problems but then its a risk using water in pc unless you using non conductive liquid. im not saying it ideal solution over everything else. it just helped me get to my 4gig without water especially at a time i couldnt afford it. i'm defending it because i was confident reading the reviews when it came out and had to wait long time building up better spec before i could use it for weeks and then reaching the result of the same potential i saw back then.

tell me how can you compare that review against same hsf on the c2d?

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
I would just buy a phase change if you are worried about noise and getting great speeds. Check out the Mach II as it is quite quiet and will provide you with a good possibility for 4.1+ ghz prime stable. There are usually used ones in the FS/FT that you can purchase for $400-$500 although this is more then a TEC cooler, you are guaranteed to get good results.

I might look into it, who knows. Seems like phase change is a better solution than water anyway . . . only concern I'd have is that a Mach II might throw the breakers thanks to the cheap-ass wiring in my current abode. I've had problems with a hair dryer going in the bathroom while the PC is running.

Originally posted by: markymoo
i looked at the monsoon DrMrLordX it looked the tidier unit and seperate psu but was not available here in uk so i plumped for the amanda.

Interesting, the Amanda isn't available in the states but the monsoon II is . . . honestly I'd rather get the Amanda, as the units look nearly identical except for the fact that the Amanda uses two fans with an air guide while the monsoon II does not. That and the monsoon II costs $50 more, blah.

i was using the noctua 12 hsf before with 2x120mm fans. there fans are one of the best out now.

I've heard the 120mm Noctua HSF has more distant fins than the 90mm one, and as such does not respond well to high-cfm fans (plus without any kind of air guide, fan stacking might not help much). Still not sure which hsf benefits most from high-cfm fans though . . . Ultra-120? Scythe Mine? Tuniq Tower 120?

 

[markymoo]

@DrMrLordX
if i were you i stick to air if your home hasn't got continuous stable power. you need that to begin with when you oc. running just a hair dryer and affecting it sounds unstable. you might do well to get a surge protector.

on some the fans dont always make a huge difference anyway because of the passive way they work. you get the best hsf like the tuniq tower and then you replace the fans with better ones. i prefer to go for higher rpm/cfm over quietness and then i can always volt them down to get that ideal noise/cfm. it good to have a high cfm exhaust on your case to remove the heat as effective as possible.

 

[The-Noid]

Hair dryers are like 1200 watts and you only have 1800 watts for your whole house. A phase change is about 160w.

 

[markymoo]

Here is 4gig result on the amanda on my new p5bd arrived today back from rma with 0614 bios. The temperatures are even better this time around.

superpi and cpu-z

superpi coretemp and tat

pic of amanda

 

[DrMrLordX]

Nice shots, at least we have some evidence now. I'm intrigued . . .

Originally posted by: markymoo
@DrMrLordX
if i were you i stick to air if your home hasn't got continuous stable power. you need that to begin with when you oc. running just a hair dryer and affecting it sounds unstable. you might do well to get a surge protector.

The power is stable (usually, pending cooperation from the utility) but the wiring is aluminum terminated by copper at the plug/switch. The aluminum wiring can only handle so much power before it starts overheating and expanding which throws breakers on whichever circuit is getting overloaded, and the computer room is on the same circuit as the bathroom . . .

on some the fans dont always make a huge difference anyway because of the passive way they work. you get the best hsf like the tuniq tower and then you replace the fans with better ones.

So you think the Tuniq Tower is the best HSF out there for use with a high cfm fan?

Originally posted by: Yoxxy
Hair dryers are like 1200 watts and you only have 1800 watts for your whole house. A phase change is about 160w.

1200 watts? That would explain it. I'm surprised phase change like the Mach II uses only 160w though . . .

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: markymoo
Here is 4gig result on the amanda on my new p5bd arrived today back from rma with 0614 bios. The temperatures are even better this time around.

superpi and cpu-z

superpi coretemp and tat

pic of amanda

I am sorry but those are worthless...You need to run 2 instances of it to press both cores...You are only doing half load....Run orthos and take a screen shot under its load. wait at least 1 hr to get max temp...

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: Duvie


I am sorry but those are worthless...You need to run 2 instances of it to press both cores...You are only doing half load....Run orthos and take a screen shot under its load. wait at least 1 hr to get max temp...

Hah woops, good point. I wasn't even thinking of that.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: Duvie


I am sorry but those are worthless...You need to run 2 instances of it to press both cores...You are only doing half load....Run orthos and take a screen shot under its load. wait at least 1 hr to get max temp...

Hah woops, good point. I wasn't even thinking of that.

Plus he takes the screenshots after the load of the core anyways.....It is clear it has been enough time to cool down cause it has the same temp for both cores...


I want to see load temps and load on both cores.....so include task manager showing 100% usage next time....If you idle at mid 30's you should hav eloaded with 1 core at least in the mid 40's

 

[markymoo]

ok fine. what you should notice is what excellent temps at idle. thats alot cooler than a tuniq tower and big typhoon. lets see you get to 4 gig with a tt or bt. they wouldnt of kept it cool enough to even boot into windows. the review doesnt do it justice.

@DrMrLordX
get 1500-1700rpm fans that alot more cfm than nexus 1100rpm fan types. nexus fans cost too much. the xinrullian i recommend. a whopping true 70cfm. get fans with strong blades and not so noisy.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: markymoo
ok fine. what you should notice is what excellent temps at idle. thats alot cooler than a tuniq tower and big typhoon. lets see you get to 4 gig with a tt or bt.

yeah they are good...but i dont see screenshots of that tuniq at 4ghz either....I need to see some proof..

 

[markymoo]

see all those magnificent claims how good core temp is because it takes the temp from inside the chip but you see it same temp as asus probe.