Ivy Bridge Comes On Monday 4.23. Who's buying?

[xxxkaliboyxxx]

Quick sync is looking real awesome. Looking forward to the dual cores for a HTPC setup. Low power draw. Nice

 

[steelodon]

So I'm wondering if this will lower the price of the 2500K?

 

[dma0991]

So I'm wondering if this will lower the price of the 2500K?

Intel will only lower the price if it actually had competition and/or that particular model isn't one that sells. Core i5 2500K is a bestseller so I doubt we'll be seeing a price reduction anytime soon.

 

[magomago]

everyone who assumed 15-20% performance increase

(a) didn't read anything about IB
(b) grabbed it from an equally misguided source.


for anyone that actually read anything about it --> 5-10% is exactly what was predicated...and for the most part, that is what you see (discrete gpu, IGP need not apply)

 

[Mgz]

I will stick with my 2500k and Radeon 6870, it is meh to upgrade to IVB

 

[OBLAMA2009]

So I'm wondering if this will lower the price of the 2500K?

jesus christ, why do people keep asking this question? have they ever lowered prices on older chips? have they ever needed to do this?

 

[phillyman36]

I have tried local mom and pop computer stores( yeah i know but it was worth a shoot) and still cant find a i7 3770k.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

Intel will only lower the price if it actually had competition and/or that particular model isn't one that sells. Core i5 2500K is a bestseller so I doubt we'll be seeing a price reduction anytime soon.

Exactly. My friend thinks sb prices will fall

 

[Tempered81]

jesus christ, why do people keep asking this question? have they ever lowered prices on older chips? have they ever needed to do this?

Intel usually does not lower the price of the out-going SKUs. However, it's been quite some time since Intel launched a new architecture that was arguably competitive with the previous Uarch. Bulldozer doesn't help since were talking Intel versus Intel now. Core handily beat Prescot... Merom, Conroe, Penryn, Kentsfield, Wolfdale, Yorkfield, Nahelem, Sandy, and SB-E all pretty handily beat their predecessors (even if only by 5% both including/excluding overclocking). None were limited by temperature & design since Prescott. Excluding overclocking, Ivy meets the minimum 5% increase over Sandy; but IB-E is a long way off, and the thermals put a damper overclocking K SKUs this time around. We never heard the Q6600 was competitive with the E6400, or the E6400 was competitive with the P4, or the Q9650 competitive with the Q6600, or the i7-920 competitive with the Q9450, or the i7-2700K competitive with the i7-950, so on and so-forth. Folks still inquired about price-drops of out-going parts back then too. With i7-3770K versus i7-2700K things are different. 15 months have gone by, given overclocking we now have two equally competitive Uarchs. The i7-3960X beats them both, and IB-E is a ways out.

It could still be too early call it for either 22nm Ivy or 32nm Sandy. We'll have to see what the average stable overclocks end up at. If it indeed turns out to be 4.5-4.8 for Ivy and 4.6-5.1 for Sandy, then you're looking at a fairly level playing field. Equal enough that price becomes a determining factor in the decision on which one to get. Thus, why you're hearing questions about price drops on Sandy Bridge parts.

 

[Lonyo]

Intel usually does not lower the price of the out-going SKUs. However, it's been quite some time since Intel launched a new architecture that was arguably competitive with the previous Uarch. Bulldozer doesn't help since were talking Intel versus Intel now. Core handily beat Prescot... Merom, Conroe, Penryn, Kentsfield, Wolfdale, Yorkfield, Nahelem, Sandy, and SB-E all pretty handily beat their predecessors (even if only by 5% both including/excluding overclocking). None were limited by temperature & design since Prescott. Excluding overclocking, Ivy meets the minimum 5% increase over Sandy; but IB-E is a long way off, and the thermals put a damper overclocking K SKUs this time around. We never heard the Q6600 was competitive with the E6400, or the E6400 was competitive with the P4, or the Q9650 competitive with the Q6600, or the i7-920 competitive with the Q9450, or the i7-2700K competitive with the i7-950, so on and so-forth. Folks still inquired about price-drops of out-going parts back then too. With i7-3770K versus i7-2700K things are different. 15 months have gone by, given overclocking we now have two equally competitive Uarchs. The i7-3960X beats them both, and IB-E is a ways out.

It could still be too early call it for either 22nm Ivy or 32nm Sandy. We'll have to see what the average stable overclocks end up at. If it indeed turns out to be 4.5-4.8 for Ivy and 4.6-5.1 for Sandy, then you're looking at a fairly level playing field. Equal enough that price becomes a determining factor in the decision on which one to get. Thus, why you're hearing questions about price drops on Sandy Bridge parts.

I'm not sure Intel prices its new chips based on how they overclock compared to the old ones.

They have set pricing tiers and product ranges, and a fairly consistent way of dropping off old product families when they release new ones, typically that doesn't include significant, if any, price drops.

 

[blackened23]

So I'm wondering if this will lower the price of the 2500K?

Intel hasn't lowered prices on outgoing SKU's in the past 7 years at least, so no.

 

[Don Karnage]

So I'm wondering if this will lower the price of the 2500K?

Nope. Intel doesn't lower prices.

 

[Tempered81]

I'm not sure Intel prices its new chips based on how they overclock compared to the old ones.

Agreed. What was the reason for Ivy's price cut ahead of launch I wonder.

 

[Don Karnage]

Agreed. What was the reason for Ivy's price cut ahead of launch I wonder.

Lower operating costs from harvesting more chips from a single wafer compared to sandy bridge.

 

[podspi]

I think this question comes up because that is what Intel used to do. CPUs tended to be priced like a 'waterfall'. A new chip is released and is very expensive, but it gradually falls in price as newer models are introduced above it.

Intel no longer produces products like this (they refresh top to bottom), and so the 'waterfall' effect is no longer seen. But they were pricing this way a lot longer than they haven't, so it is still ingrained in people's minds. Similiar to people worrying about battery memory effect, which Li-ion batteries simply don't suffer from.

 

[OBLAMA2009]

I think this question comes up because that is what Intel used to do. CPUs tended to be priced like a 'waterfall'. A new chip is released and is very expensive, but it gradually falls in price as newer models are introduced above it.

Intel no longer produces products like this (they refresh top to bottom), and so the 'waterfall' effect is no longer seen. But they were pricing this way a lot longer than they haven't, so it is still ingrained in people's minds. Similiar to people worrying about battery memory effect, which Li-ion batteries simply don't suffer from.

yeah i guess now that they dont have competition they dont have to jack up speeds anymore, so you dont get incrementally faster chips being released with "price cuts" on slower chips, although they never lowered prices on old platforms when new ones came out

 

[ShintaiDK]

yeah i guess now that they dont have competition they dont have to jack up speeds anymore, so you dont get incrementally faster chips being released with "price cuts" on slower chips, although they never lowered prices on old platforms when new ones came out

There is no reason to do a pricecut on a product that goes EOL. You simply dont make it anymore.

 

[Chiropteran]

Quick sync is looking real awesome. Looking forward to the dual cores for a HTPC setup. Low power draw. Nice

Is it?

I'm trying to figure out what the scenario is that makes quick sync so desirable.

In my mind, I picture a process like this-

1. you rip a dvd

2. you encode it in some more compressed format to watch on your phone. this takes about 10 seconds of selecting options and then runs while you are afk

3. some time later, you watch it on your phone

When I try to figure out what makes quick sync "awesome" I can only imagine ridiculous situations such as-

1. you rip a dvd

2. you encode the dvd in a compressed format to watch on a phone, but you are so super into watching the movie that you sit by your computer and watch it work

3. why don't you just watch the full quality uncompressed dvd directly? I don't know. But since you don't do that, quick sync lets you encode your movie and watch it as much as an hour sooner than "normal" speed. Yay!


It just doesn't seem like that useful to me in real usage.

 

[Olikan]

Lower operating costs from harvesting more chips from a single wafer compared to sandy bridge.

32nm is years ahead in manufactoring maturity, yet finFET is anything than cheap...

actually, nobody uses finFET because it is very expensive vs pure bulk

BUT, at lower nodes, you have to use finFET or SOI (or both)... bulk alone can't control the leakage

 

[IntelUser2000]

Intel used to lower prices, but made initial SKUs super expensive. Now they just make the price right, but when new ones come out, old ones are just discontinued. I guess by doing that, they reach out to more people in a smaller amount of time.

Similiar to people worrying about battery memory effect, which Li-ion batteries simply don't suffer from.

Unfortunately, Li-Ions have their share of drawbacks. Charging needs to be careful since risks of explosion are much higher, they don't like it being deep discharged. The Chevy Volt's 16KWHr pack only uses 10KWHr so deep discharging doesn't happen, extending the lifespan.

I think NIMH is best in terms of being able to charge and discharge whenever you want, but I guess it can't beat Lithium based batteries when lots of peak power are needed.

 

[rageofthepeon]

Going to wait a few days to see what experiences people are getting but most likely bite in the end. I'll have enough spare parts, after buying a case & hd, to make a crappy HTPC with.

 

[Shagga]

Anyone know what the 3770k will cost in the UK? Speculation will do.

 

[TidusZ]

Has anyone actually bought a chip yet? I think I may be able to get one before sunday which would be nice.

 

[Leanox]

Has anyone actually bought a chip yet? I think I may be able to get one before sunday which would be nice.

Yeah, its not retailing anywhere. I called up my local frys for information and all they had to say its "sorry we never had this product available, wait for restock." I kept telling the associate it was newly launched... D:

 

[Lonyo]

Anyone know what the 3770k will cost in the UK? Speculation will do.

About the same as the 2700k, give or take.