I'm on a quest to get the best price on a hard drive based mp3 player. I've seen 20GB 9.5mm drives for as little as $100, so disk space isn't the most important thing, just the price for the basic player. I don't like the Nomad that much, but am interested in the I/O Magik Neo Jukebox and derivitives, as well as the Archos range (player and/or player/recorder). I've been using pricegrabber, pricewatch, mysimon, etc but I'm not getting anything near the price I'd like. Any hints or deal tips mucho appreciated. PM me as neccessary. Cheers.