J.D. Vance, The Hollow Man

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Stokely

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What in the actual fuck, all this reproductive stuff.

What scares me are women who will actually agree with this dystopian horrific shit and vote for it. .of course most of them are past menopause so who cares from their point of view. And surely *wink* *wink* the ones being surveilled will be the ones from the...other side of town. Vile, vile shit.
 

Meghan54

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What in the actual fuck, all this reproductive stuff.

What scares me are women who will actually agree with this dystopian horrific shit and vote for it. .of course most of them are past menopause so who cares from their point of view. And surely *wink* *wink* the ones being surveilled will be the ones from the...other side of town. Vile, vile shit.
Worse, a lot of white middle class mothers with girls “secretly” believe the anti-abortion laws only affect the poor and “them.”

This is prevalent in the south…little Susie will go visit grandma for a while. Grandma just happens to live near a quiet airport that services Bermuda or Canada.

Was the same sorta crap back before Roe v Wade was decided. Little Lizzy disappears for a little bit, shows back up. Typically not enough time elapsed for full gestation.
 

Indus

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Interesting background:

changed his name 5 times... atleast..

changed his stance 500 times.. atleast?

 

HomerJS

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So the Nick Fuentes guy who is a white nationalist and hates JD Vance because of his wife is a proud incel who claims wanting women makes you gay. Other incels say he isn’t an incel because he kissed a girl in high school.
Nick Fuentes is a prominent white nationalist/ anti-Semite. Trump invited him to his house for dinner yet Democrats get tagged as antisemitic for the unrest on college campuses.

Why?
 
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[DHT]Osiris

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JD will be the Period Czar.

JD Vance, Menstrual Surveillance Hawk​


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This spring, HHS finalized new regulations under HIPAA to limit law enforcement access to medical records tied to reproductive health. The rule was first proposed in the aftermath of the Dobbs decision as a way to limit the ability of state and local law enforcement agencies to access medical records to stymie or criminalize access to legal reproductive health services, most specifically abortions, but not only abortions. It also applies to contraception and the full range of other endangered reproductive care.

So for instance, consider the ability of a woman from an abortion-ban state to travel to another state to get a legal abortion, or her ability to receive legal abortion drugs through the mail. The news has been filled with proposed or actual laws which would attempt to restrict travel to receive abortions in other states, charge those who travel or criminalize those who might facilitate such travel or facilitate the legal shipment of prescribed abortion drugs through the mail. Of course, local police agencies might simply take it upon themselves to pull records to see who had unexplained disruptions to their menstrual cycles.

Your local sheriff might just want to know.

And so does JD Vance, it turns out.

But to enforce these laws or know when there’s something to enforce you really need access to medical records. You need to know and be able to prove when a woman was pregnant and then, before the end of normal gestation, stopped being pregnant. So if you live in Texas and you’re pregnant, can you go to your OB-GYN or will that be held against you if you’re found to have ceased being pregnant after a visit to Kansas? Does your OB have to report you to law enforcement if they believe there’s a real and present risk that you’ll go out of state to get an abortion or seek a prescription from an out of state doctor for mifepristone? And what about contraception, which some states are now also making moves to limit? Or how about IVF? This was the context of the HHS rule which was proposed in spring of 2023 and came into effect this spring. It applies to all of those questions.

Now when this rule was first proposed back in 2023, a group of 28 members of Congress wrote to HHS Secretary Xavier Becerra demanding he withdraw the proposed rule “immediately.” (I was reminded of this letter when I saw this write up this morning.) They argued that the proposed rule “unlawfully thwarts the enforcement of compassionate laws” and “creates special protections for abortion that limit cooperation with law enforcement, undermine the ability to report abuse, restrict the provision of public health information … erase the humanity of unborn children” and “interfere with valid state laws protecting life.”

Now, I said 28 members of Congress. That’s not very many. You’ll remember there are 535 of them, of which 100 are senators. Vance was one of only eight Republican senators willing to go this hard for menstrual surveillance by state law enforcement agencies. The other 20 signatories are members of the House and a quick review of the names shows they are mostly hardcore Freedom Caucus types.


But think about it: even in the House GOP caucus, they could only get 20 people to sign this thing. That’s how extreme it is. But JD Vance signed.

This aspect of the post-Dobbs world is often treated as hyperbole in mainstream news coverage, something that might be theoretically possible but not something that’s actually going to happen. But Vance was one of only eight senators who thought this rule was a bridge too far and endangered “valid state laws protecting life” and would “limit cooperation with law enforcement.” That’s not just a campaign gotcha. He’s for real about this stuff. 🤔
Period hawk.... Blood eagle?
 
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RalphTheCow

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We can’t thank Don Jr and Tucker Carlson enough for this choice. He is basically DeSantis or maybe even worse if that is possible.
 
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K1052

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The right's obsession with children (having them not taking care of them) is rooted in their belief that non-white and/or non-conservative people are out breeding them and as a result will command more political power in the future at their expense.

This is why they sound so deeply weird when talking about people needing to have kids. Not because it's good for society the economy, and demographic stability but because future Republican politicians will need their votes.
 

nakedfrog

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Period hawk.... Blood eagle?
Incidentally, one of my favorite Amon Amarth songs.
The right's obsession with children (having them not taking care of them) is rooted in their belief that non-white and/or non-conservative people are out breeding them and as a result will command more political power in the future at their expense.

This is why they sound so deeply weird when talking about people needing to have kids. Not because it's good for society the economy, and demographic stability but because future Republican politicians will need their votes.
Just white supremacy in a slightly nicer sportcoat.
 

Stokely

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The right's obsession with children (having them not taking care of them) is rooted in their belief that non-white and/or non-conservative people are out breeding them and as a result will command more political power in the future at their expense.

This is why they sound so deeply weird when talking about people needing to have kids. Not because it's good for society the economy, and demographic stability but because future Republican politicians will need their votes.

Yep, and it's the reason they can't "fix" the "problem" of depopulation with letting in refugees. Seems made to order, fix two issues at once!

Psst, wrong color and culture, those refugees. Oops, forgot.

My loony coworker thinks the Democrats are letting in more migrants (which according to data, doesn't look like it) because then they will be "grateful" and vote Democrat. Not sure how illegals will actually vote (I'm sure that's some additional conspiracy), but none of the border terror is rooted in much logic or data.
 

K1052

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Yep, and it's the reason they can't "fix" the "problem" of depopulation with letting in refugees. Seems made to order, fix two issues at once!

Psst, wrong color and culture, those refugees. Oops, forgot.

My loony coworker thinks the Democrats are letting in more migrants (which according to data, doesn't look like it) because then they will be "grateful" and vote Democrat. Not sure how illegals will actually vote (I'm sure that's some additional conspiracy), but none of the border terror is rooted in much logic or data.

Some of the most aggressive ladder pullers/door closers I've met are recent immigrants or 1st gen Americans. However they got in doesn't matter, just that they are here and others should be kept out. They are one of the good ones who deserved it but most people aren't etc. In America "whiteness" is more than about skin color it's about social standing, an identity, and power. Some immigrants wish to obtain all of these as expeditiously as possible so turning on the system that gave them their chance is ok.
 

Pens1566

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Some of the most aggressive ladder pullers/door closers I've met are recent immigrants or 1st gen Americans. However they got in doesn't matter, just that they are here and others should be kept out. They are one of the good ones who deserved it but most people aren't etc. In America "whiteness" is more than about skin color it's about social standing, an identity, and power. Some immigrants wish to obtain all of these as expeditiously as possible so turning on the system that gave them their chance is ok.

FYGM
 

evident

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Some of the most aggressive ladder pullers/door closers I've met are recent immigrants or 1st gen Americans. However they got in doesn't matter, just that they are here and others should be kept out. They are one of the good ones who deserved it but most people aren't etc. In America "whiteness" is more than about skin color it's about social standing, an identity, and power. Some immigrants wish to obtain all of these as expeditiously as possible so turning on the system that gave them their chance is ok.
Yep you have summed up alot of asians, particularly vietnamese americans that support trump. even waving the fucking south vietnamese flag during the jan 6 riots. total disgrace.
 
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MrSquished

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There's good weird and bad weird, and people can tell the difference. Everyone knows which one is the Trump party that is for sure.
 
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The right's obsession with children (having them not taking care of them) is rooted in their belief that non-white and/or non-conservative people are out breeding them and as a result will command more political power in the future at their expense.

This is why they sound so deeply weird when talking about people needing to have kids. Not because it's good for society the economy, and demographic stability but because future Republican politicians will need their votes.
Replacement Theory

It's a fact though and coming no matter how hard they fight it. I've heard as early as 2050, pure whites will be less than half of the population.
 
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