Jackson is at it again

[Theslowone]

True blackhawk. I think that a job should be determined on skill. Finacial aid on money issues. And that all crimes are hate crimes. And no man should be shot 20+ times, or drug behind a car. This world is full of hate, and you either stand back and watch, fuel the hate, or Stand up and do something about it. Everyone in the United States either white black, etc is not a racist. But what have you really read about the past. That Every white man owned slaves? That every black man was a slave? Do you think that slavery would of ended if all white people hate blacks? I don't think so.

 

[classy]

Bober girl keep your pantys on. Look the Revoultionary War was not over your right to vote. LOL That right came for free for you. But for us not the case. We had to fight for ours. And yea it was high. I think honestly, if some of you would read black history you come to know some things. Why is it that you resent facts? This is the way it is or was. Good lord. Its amazing how I get bashed. Half of the amendments of the constitution was written to make people of color included.

 

[Capn]

Classy go read a damn book about the revolutionary war you ignorant idiot.

 

[BoberFett]

The Revolutionary war wasn't about voting? Ever heard the phrase "taxation without representation"? The colonies had no representation in England. THAT MEANS WHITES HAD NO VOTE!

I have nothing more to say to the likes of you. I need not say anything either, as you do enough to make yourself look like an ignorant fool.

 

[classy]

There are certain things minoritys can't afford to take for granted. A specific struggle was needed to gain specific rights, voting being one. I don't diminsh the blood shed in other wars, some were very important. But I come back that most of the minoritys struggle has been in just the last 30-40 years. You guys have had 200-300 years to adjust. Seems like most of you want to give us 20-30 days.

 

[Michael]

shifrbv - I didn't say anything about the sexual harrassment laws, I was talking about the discrimination laws. The sexual harassment laws went from a good thing (protecting women from predators at work) to a bad thing as it increased in scope due to activist judges and regulation wild Federal departments.

I can think of no law that has strengthened the glass ceiling more than the current environment that the sexual harassment laws have done. I am afraid everytime I talk to a co-worker that is a woman and very afraid whenever mixed sexes are involved in any sort of social event. It has completely and totally closed the door to the "old boys" club. The good side of a "old boys" club is that it promotes teamwork and sharing of ideas (there are many badsides as well). It was opening up and including women, now we're expected to be robots with no emotion.

I do think that the core of the law is correct (and have enjoyed seeing a few animals that pressured for sex in return for raises or jobs get shown the door), but the regualtions and lawsuits need to be curtailed.

classy - Actually, the Revolt from the fair and just Motherland (hey, I'm from Canada and have my own spin on it <grin> ) was about voting and self determination. Women were granted the vote after blacks and the age was lower to 18 even more recently. So if you're going by that, 18 year-olds have more to whine about.

Plus, to be specific, the right for all races to vote came as a result of the Civil War which spilled lots of white blood and it was passed by the whites who have made that sacrifice. The Voter Rights Act is a different story and it just added teeth to what was already in the Constitution.

Michael

 

[shifrbv]

classy - While I have appreciated some of your posts, you can't go on saying that white folks in America got to vote for free. We fought the war because we had taxation without representation. There was no voting and once the founding fathers decided to buck the system, they took a great risk of either succeeding or being killed by the British army.

After the fact, there were alot of white folks who still weren't allowed to vote. You had to own property to do so. And we even had alot of white indentured servents who had to work (for many, many years) to pay back their masters before they could even be free in this country.

It wasn't easy for a lot of people in the beginning and their has been prejudice against every wave of immigrant to ever hit these shores (white or not).

However, I know you're right in talking about fighting for your rights. A lot of people bled on the way to Montgomery. A lot of people were beaten down in the South. But don't think it's just your group. There were plenty of Asian minorities out west who suffered the same fate working as slave laborers on the railroads. Remember the ones put in internment camps during WW2.

There were and still are plenty of hispanics working in the fruit and vegetable fields in California. Working in the garment districts in New York.

 

[classy]

Umm excuse me, but you Road Scholars miss a very important point. That war was based between 2 countries. Americas fight was not based upon what is being discussed here. The discussion here is based on race. We had to fight you. We had a civil war after the civil war. So I guess now your gonna tell me how you struggled for equal rights. Please. Yea, your right Bober you shouldn't say anything else to me. Hey what do you look like anyway? LOL

 

[classy]

I am not denying Americas struggle in the least bit. But the discussion here was based on race. Not country affiliation. In that respect we are all equal, we're all Americans in that sense.

 

[DesignDawg]

I have something to share about some of the ways racism is perpetuated.

My wife is the most caring, wonderful, pure soul I know. Honestly. She is a teacher, and she GENUINELY loves every child in her class. The fact is, MOST kids in her classes so far have been underprivileged black children. Sure, there are some white kids in her classes, but I hear more often how annoyed she is by them because of their snotty upbringing and poor manners. She LOVES ALL the kids in her classes, and they all love her too, genuinely. She even had a very very close black friend in high school (that's an overused cop-out, I realize, and very cliche, but in this case it's also true.) Anyway, it's miraculous, considering the DISGUSTING amount of racism in her back-woods Alabama family. Her uncle FORREST (who is, in fact, named after the founder of the KKK) is a real gem.
Anyway.... So she is finally certified (graduates officially tomorrow), and she is starting her first real teaching job in January. Well, a substitue there caought wind of it and sent her a box of teaching supplies and other gifts, and called her, telling her that she has already been talking with the other teachers at the school about her, and everyone is really chomping at the bit to talk to her and give her the &quot;inside scoop&quot; on the school. --Then the conversation took a more serious, darker turn. Apparently, not EVERYONE wants to talk with Heather....just the white teachers. Why? Well, the principal of the school is a black woman. Apparently, all the white women of the school want to let Heather know what she's gotta do to get around the obstacle of her boss being black. Also mentioned was the fact that &quot;There is a definite line between the black teachers and the white teachers here.&quot;
SO WHAT IS HEATHER TO DO NOW?
Well, I'll tell you what she DID do...She cried. She got very upset, angry, then sad. This job, which is the happiest development in her life since the wedding, has suddenly turned into a racial showdown. --And she is in a bad situation. She has NO FEELINGS at all about her boss being black. She has NO PROBLEMS working alongside black teachers. She was very much looking forward to working with EVERYONE at the school. --But now the white teachers have reached out to try to &quot;recruit&quot; her for their little gang. If she doesn't respond and play along, what does that make her? In their eyes, is she some crusading &quot;n@gger-lover?&quot; What if she DOES go along with the white teachers and join them in their stupid-ass game? Then the black teachers will automatically see her as just another cracker-ass prissy white teacher who they don't want to deal with.
Either way, she is going to alienate someone. WHY DOES IT HAVE TO BE THAT WAY? And what is the result of this? People just get bitter. For now, she is deeply hurt by all this. I can only pray it stays that way. --Because the day she is not bothered by this childish bullsh!t, it means she has given in and doesn't care that it goes on.

There is no solution in sight. That's the sad part. --But it's clear what makes it worse: People like Jessie Jackon on BOTH sides of the racial lines. People who point out every little situation and claim it is a racist ploy usually MAKE THEM SO. If white people win the lottery 5 times more often than black people, does that mean anything? Well, maybe not at all. --Or maybe it means that white people buy roughly 5 times more lottery tickets? Or could it mean that the whole lottery is SET UP to be won by white people? NO WAY! --But if Someone pours his heart and soul into making that the issue, and finds SOMETHING to back it up, and finds people to march with him, then that will BECOME the issue, be it groundless or not. EVERYTHING is not about race.

Ricky
DesignDawg

 

[Michael]

hmmm . A fairly long discussion on racism, but no lock nor a message edited by the mods ...

Michael

ps - I probably jinxed it <grin>

 

[classy]

Well if Heather has not even worked under her boss she should not judge her boss based on what others say, that includes both the white ones and the black ones.

 

[StageLeft]

designdogg

I remember you saying your woman had a job starting in January as a teacher, its really too bad that that school has that crap going on. Goodluck with it

 

[Michael]

designdawg - if she doesn't coose any side and makes her own mind up, she should be fine.

Michael

 

[DesignDawg]

Classy,

ARE INSINUATING THAT SHE HAS? If you are, F@CK YOU. Learn how to read and UNDERSTAND things. If you are not, then I apologize. What I was syaing is that she is VERY SAD because there is a ton of racial bullsh@t going on there that she doesn't want to be any part of, but she is already being invited into it, and it is TEARING HER UP. Like I said, if you are insinuating that my wife is judging someone based on the color of their skin, you can burn in hell.

Ricky
DesignDawg

 

[Michael]

DesignDawg - I read what classy wrote to be basically the exact same thing I wrote. I didn't see any insinuation at all.

Michael

 

[DesignDawg]

Well, I didn't. If he DID mean that, then I do apologize. The way he worded it sounded as if he was condemning something she has already done. If it wasn't clear to everyone, this is the point I made: There are two sides among the people who work there that participate in this bullsh@t: The white women who say there's a line and actively keep separate from the black women because of it. --And the black women who know how the white women feel and are disgusted by the women and won't deal with them. So, Heather's about to go here, and the white women are already trying to pull her into this crap. So, if she lets them pull her in, she's one of them, which disgusts her. If she plainly lets them know she wants no part of it, they will shun her, which would make her work tough. --Especially if the black women STILL will not deal with her because the assume she's one of the others... And if she just comes in quietly and picks no side, then both sides will assume the worst, which will probably end up making hers a very lonely and intimidating first year. See, in this situation she's going into, racism is perpetuated because it's the game played there. If you're not playing in the game, you're not on a team, and you get left out. It's sad. It's ridiculous. --And until people find something better to do with their time than think about this crap, it's gonna keep going on.

Ricky
DesignDawg

 

[Michael]

DesignDawg - It might not be racism, it might not be anything at all. Every work place that I have every been in has it's cliques. It is normal for the cliques to try and recruit newcomers.

Even if there is racism, it might be one person and the others are just too weakminded to push back.

If she keeps an open mind and is friendly to everyone, she'll do fine. The first year of work in a new place will be stressfull no matter what.

Michael

 

[DesignDawg]

Michael,

I hope you're right. She's VERY sensitive to stuff like this, and I am very supportive as a husband. --But being supportive in a situation that require a LOT LOT LOT of support is hard on me, and ends up hard on both of us. She hasn't called the other teacher yet, so it may turn out to be one one or two fools with chips on their shoulders. Time will tell....

Ricky
DesignDawg

 

[woodsman]

Classy,
Hang in there, I respect your courage to state your convictions on this board. Not everybody thinks like this, and you scared them by actually disagreeing with them. Maybe someday we will respect a person for what is in the heart, but it's not today.HOPE FOR TOMORROW!
woodsman

 

[Format C:]

Classless was, is and always will be as much a racist as any KKK member, David Duke, or lynch mob member. He worships and perpetuates the &quot;us vs them&quot; attitude with every word he utters. His racism and hatred is so much a part of his very soul that he is blinded to its very existence. He will never be any more than what he is now no matter how much some of you try to defend him or attempt to qualify is remarks, nor how much he professes otherwise. And THAT is the bottom line. A racist is a racist is a racist and they are evil incarnate. The color of hatred is a far far stronger pigment than that which is only skin deep.

 

[tgillitzr]

classy, I'd like to point out that I did not ridicule Jesse Jackson because he is black, that makes NO difference what so ever. I can't stand Jesse Jackson because of what he stands for.

In my opinion, AA has to go. It does nothing to bring everyone together, it drives them apart. It would drive me up the wall if, when I graduate from college, a minority gets a chosen for a job over me because he/she IS a &quot;minority&quot;. If he/she is more qualified for the job, more skilled, smarter, then so be it. But if not, that is not right. That is no different than if I get the job because I am a white male, and not because of my skills, intelligence, etc.

I agree with Micheal, in saying that the replacement for AA should be VERY VERY large fines if there is ANY discrimination. Not just $5000 either. Like, say, all your companies profit for the year.

Something has to be done, it is not more legistlation that drives the races further apart.

About the revolutionary war/cival war debate... I'm not mistaken, it was North vs. South, not Black vs White.

There is NO doubt in my mind that there is still discrimination. There is also no doubt in my mind that there is discrimination from all sides.

 

[classy]

Dawg what are you talking about. Maybe you should read what I wrote. Your wife has done nothing wrong. She should ignore what everyone is saying and make her own conclusion. Its too many of you all. I am the lone brother in here giving the other side of the story and it must be damn near 50 of you. Well guess what racism is alive and kicking. Its shame so many people thought it was joke, well its not. And hey Doormat C: hows it going? You keeping your &quot;sheet&quot; clean or what? This has went from me defending Jesse, to AA, to welfare, and now to some guy pissed at me like its my fault his wife is going to work where ain't everybody getting along. Try speaking words of correction to both sides. Sheesh

 

[Static911]

I'm Azn and Jesse Jackson is the Epidimy of activist gone crazy...

That damn person is wat incites hatred in ppl (both caucasions, and african-americans)

and y the F*ck should HE BE CALLED REVEREND?? Religion is non-partisan...that there is stirring things up that calls for riots and stuff...i'm like wtf

Straight from the Big D,
Static911

 

[Format C:]

<< This has went from me defending Jesse, to AA, to welfare, and now to some guy pissed at me like its my fault his wife is going to work where ain't everybody getting along. >>

Reflecting on the comments that were made which were the impetus to all such discussion should lead one to wonder why. Your blindness prevents that though.