Jackson is at it again

[xaigi]

Classy: Keep up the good work. Not all of us have the time and energy to deal so civilly with this bunch of angry white men.

The world needs more people like you and more people like Jesse Jackson.

 

[BuckMaster]

Jackson is a Dumb A$$! I hate the bastard! He's the biggest Instigator Ive ever seen!

 

[NesuD]

Look Classy I have the greatest respect for you as a human being. I make my judgements on the quality of a person based on their actions and the character they demonstrate not their skin color. The only real point I am trying to make is that while i cannot deny that racism still exists today it is nothing as compared to the racism that existed 40 years ago. The pervasive attitude that every black man seems to be walking around with a bullseye on his back so the racists can take aim at him is simply not the case. It seems to me that the so called civil rights activists of today do much more to separate the races than to bring them together. While nothing is perfect we can compromise on most things. Unfortunately the left in most cases doesn't wish to do this it is an all or nothing proposition with them. You must understand that while making sure your rights are observed and respected is the right thing for us to do it can't be done at the expense of someone elses civil rights. That is the principle flaw in Affirmative action. To correct an injustice of the past we are going to give preferential treatment to a particular minority group. The problem is that to do that we are going to have to ignore the rights of another group of people. In most cases affirmative action has gone beyond the idea of equal rights and opportunities for Minorities and actually turned in to special rights only for certain minority groups. Everyone deserves an equal opportunity based on their skills and experience. Unfortunaely AA has turned into special opportunities for the less qualified to be moved ahead of the more qualified candidates Based on the color of their skin which make it in every sense racial discrimination which is illegal in this country. The only problem is the discrimination in effect has been reversed to whites being discriminated against. Why is it that you don't seem offended by this we are all members of the same race aren't we? The human race.

 

[Format C:]

Very well said, NesuD, very well said.

 

[classy]

NesuD I can respect your post. But a few things I think you and few others need to understand. The purpose of AA was not to give preferential treatment but to insure that minoritys, not just the black ones either, also be guaranteed equal oppurtunitys. Next. There is very foul premise in that when a minority gets a job it is the perception that he is inferior. I would probably guess, its just a guess that 90% of the time that is not the case at all. More often than not the minority is superior in skill. But even though he is superior he was often left out because of his or her race. This is where AA comes in. It causes a company to hire "qualified" minoritys. First of all AA only applys to certain companies that recieve Gov. tax benefits. I work for a privately owned but large company right now and they are not bound by any type of minority hiring policy. And trust me it shows. Out of about 1000 employees, only 75-100 are minoritys. And that includes all races, black, hispanic, asian, etc. Out of 1000 employees. So all these jobs people are getting because of AA is in your imagination. And there are no black upper management and only 1 black supervisor. Another thing, generally in situations where AA comes in at, that black will usually have outstanding credentials. Far and above his peers. If you guys would just look at the corporate world, you see a very serious lack of minority presence in positions of authority. All this stuff about all these black cops getting hired is nonsense also. Here in NJ I guarantee its at least 50 white cops to every 1 black cop. Hell you got whole countys man with NO black cops. On this board very little understanding is truly given to the situation as it really is. A lot of guys are looking at just from their point of view for whatever reason. Then when I a black man comes along and offers a different perspective and disagrees with some of the arguments I quickly am ganged up on. And not every black person has this bulleyes on his back thinking, but we are willing to tell it how it is. And as usual it is not accepted among a lot of whites. We are percieved as being hostile or prejudice, when in fact we just trying to get a point across. That point is, is that racism is still very much in practice today. Most people either deny it, ignore it, or find it unbelieveable that it still is happening. But none the less its still there.

 

[Fallout]

First of al I'd like to say that I've only read the first page because this post is to damn long!
Now about JJ:he admitted to repeatadly spitting in white people's food on purpose when he worked as a waiter in his youth.Now if that's not racism I don't know what is...or was poor mister jackson protectiong blacks civil rights by spitting in people's food too?
Classy you're saying blacks are discriminated in america?What about affirmative action and especially wellfare...thank god for wellfare and food stamps or most would have to work..but wait they can't get a job in the white oppresive society.
You mentioned apartheid in South Africa a few times...well apartheid has ended because most whites voted so in a refferendum,and now south africa has one of hte highest crime-rates in the world if not the highest and it's self-distructing although it has been ruled by the anc for quite a few years now...now why oh why would that be?
And on a final note about hate crimes...statistics show hate crimes rate is 10(ten) times higher black on white than white on black.Although in 99,9% of the cases only whites get prosecuted for hate crimes and only white hate crimes are reported in american media..maybe that's what cheney voted against when he opposed those laws

 

[classy]

Fallout your just another guy looking for a reason to show your bias. I am being nice tonight. Keep your sheet clean though. That's about the only thing clean about you. One more thing. There are more WHITE people on welfare than it is black people, clown.

 

[NesuD]

Classy I am sure that in many cases the AA programs do help qualified minorities that would get over looked otherwise. But the idea that AA only Levels the playing field is inaccurate It tilts the field in favor of less qualified candidates based on their sex or ethnicity. My company has a policy that basically sets a quota. In our hr directors efforts to fill that quota they actually hired a group of employees and did not have them take the required tests. As it turns out this group of 10 contained 5 people that have learning disabilities and are basically unable to do anything. It is a fact that in that groups probationary period the learning disabled never actually were required to do anything but the 5 that were not disabled were given the most difficult jobs in the plant a couple of them while they sincerely tried their best struggled and were terminated of the learning disabled blacks in the group none ever did a job that required thay wear gloves and they are all still here in do nothing jobs. I am sorry call me a racist if you want but when i have to see good people put out of a job by unqualified people based on their skin color i am annoyed.