Jane Doe v. Abbott

UNCjigga

Lifer
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I figure this case deserves it’s own thread though we’ve discussed it a bit in the DeSantis “don’t say gay” thread.

Backstory:
Texas AG (and all-around pathetic excuse for a public servant) Ken Paxton offers an “opinion” (I.e. no law) that said providing medical treatments like puberty-suppressing drugs and hormones to transgender teenagers should be investigated as child abuse. No public comment period, no consultation with public health authorities or doctors—nothing. Just one sad sack’s opinion.

Enter Greg Abbott! In his infinite wisdom, the governor informs all state health agencies (including the Dept of Family and Protective Services—the guys who can take your children away) that medical treatments provided to transgender adolescents should now be classified as “child abuse” under existing state law and violations need to be reported.

Abbott specified that the reporting requirements applied to “all licensed professionals who have direct contact with children who may be subject to such abuse, including doctors, nurses, and teachers, and provides criminal penalties for failure to report such child abuse.”

This all happened within a week. Basically, parents of trans kids are now child abusers if they allow their minor children any standard gender-affirming medical treatments (which are proven to lead to better health outcomes and fewer suicides for said children.)

And Now This:

“Texas officials have begun investigating parents of transgender adolescents for possible child abuse, according to a lawsuit filed on Tuesday, after Gov. Greg Abbott directed them last week to handle certain medical treatments as possible crimes.

The investigations by the state’s Department of Family and Protective Services, which have not been previously reported, were launched in response to an order from Mr. Abbott to the agency, the lawsuit says.”

Wow…that was quick! How was DFPS tipped off so quickly, you ask? Because the target is one of their employees!!!

“Among the first to be investigated was an employee of the state protective services agency who has a 16-year-old transgender child. On Tuesday, the American Civil Liberties Union of Texas and Lambda Legal went to state court in Austin to try to stop the inquiry.

The employee, who was not named in the court filing, works on the review of reports of abuse and neglect. She was placed on administrative leave last week, according to the filing, and on Friday was visited by an investigator from the agency, which is also seeking medical records related to her child. The family of the child, identified in court documents only as Mary Doe, has refused to voluntarily turn over the records.”

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So does Texas qualify as a full on fascist state yet?
 
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SmCaudata

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What is the plan here. Put these kids in foster care? Texas is FUBAR if they can't get some Democratic leadership.
 

SmCaudata

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Hopefully the lawsuit is successful. This a very bad precedent. But again, if the state succeeds then other states need to declare it child abuse to allow your kid to use a gun.
This probably should happen even if it doesn't succeed. Comfort and familiarity with firearms is probably a contributing factor to our epidemic of gun deaths.
 
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Greenman

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Humans in their teens do this...constantly. Is the state going to outlaw teenage pregnancy or start sending suspected fornicators to re-education camps?
Indeed they do, and most parents try to prevent them from doing it rather than promoting it.
Kids do stupid things because they don't grasp the long term implications of their actions. They lack the experience, and often times the guidance, necessary to make wise choices.
In the case of sexual activity, that urge is built into us, for many it's irresistible. It's also a far cry from handing your kids drugs that will fundamentally alter their entire life.
 

K1052

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Indeed they do, and most parents try to prevent them from doing it rather than promoting it.
Kids do stupid things because they don't grasp the long term implications of their actions. They lack the experience, and often times the guidance, necessary to make wise choices.
In the case of sexual activity, that urge is built into us, for many it's irresistible. It's also a far cry from handing your kids drugs that will fundamentally alter their entire life.

This is why decisions about trans kid's health are made with the consent the parents in consultation with medical professionals is a lot safer.

I knew I was gay at 12 and no amount of Texans standing in front of me to ague I'm "too young to know" or whatever could change that immutable fact. Trans kids, in my limited experience, seem to know around the same time plus or minus a few years.
 

sandorski

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Indeed they do, and most parents try to prevent them from doing it rather than promoting it.
Kids do stupid things because they don't grasp the long term implications of their actions. They lack the experience, and often times the guidance, necessary to make wise choices.
In the case of sexual activity, that urge is built into us, for many it's irresistible. It's also a far cry from handing your kids drugs that will fundamentally alter their entire life.

Politicians should stay out of Medicine. Remember "Death Panels"? This is exactly that.
 

[DHT]Osiris

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I'm think'in we're referring to two different age groups, mine being younger than the one you're referring to. Yet I do agree with what you're saying.
Article in question was referencing a 16 year old which is obviously well past that point. Not really sure how it can ever be considered child abuse when it's their decision.
 

Greenman

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This is why decisions about trans kid's health are made with the consent the parents in consultation with medical professionals is a lot safer.

I knew I was gay at 12 and no amount of Texans standing in front of me to ague I'm "too young to know" or whatever could change that immutable fact. Trans kids, in my limited experience, seem to know around the same time plus or minus a few years.
You didn't require chemical treatment and surgery to attain your preference. That's a fundamental difference.
I stand by my statement, children should not be allowed to make life changing choices.
 

K1052

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You didn't require chemical treatment and surgery to attain your preference.

I didn't "attain" being gay any more than I "attained" having brown hair.


I stand by my statement, children should not be allowed to make life changing choices.

Another year and that "child" (the one involved as an example) could join the military with parental consent. They can drive a car at 15. I think middle teens is a fair period where they can make choices with the consent of parents and relevant professionals.
 

trenchfoot

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I'm thinkin maybe we should leave it up to experts on this topic and keep our fucking personal opinions to ourselves.


Well personally speaking, I've quite often babysitted a gay grandnephew of mine from infancy and of whom I personally witnessed blossom into his identity during his youth, being supportive of him as all of our family members were.

Doesn't make me an expert of the kind I think you're referring to, yet I do think from my experiences helping to raise him with good character and intentions, I felt I had a word or two to offer in this regard.
 
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