Jane Doe v. Abbott

[SMOGZINN]

You didn't require chemical treatment and surgery to attain your preference. That's a fundamental difference.
I stand by my statement, children should not be allowed to make life changing choices.

Holy shit. How many times do you need to be told? No one is given children gender affirming surgery. Literally none.
That just leaves the 'chemical treatment' which has been shown to not be permanent. If they change their mind later, they can go off them and have normal puberty. But once they go through puberty there is no going back.
It is not giving them the hormonal blockers that is the life changing decision, that the state is making for them!

 

[JD50]

You didn't require chemical treatment and surgery to attain your preference. That's a fundamental difference.
I stand by my statement, children should not be allowed to make life changing choices.

You are, once again, mouthing off about things you have no idea about. This is easy, please explain the process a family goes through before their child starts on puberty blockers.

For bonus points maybe you can explain the psychological effects of a trans kid going through puberty and how that will affect them for the rest of their lives.

 

[Zorba]

Allowing children to make life changing decisions is a good idea.

So how do you feel about letting kids play football?

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm thinkin maybe we should leave it up to experts on this topic and keep our fucking personal opinions to ourselves.

As this sounds to me like a personal opinion given by a person whose expertise I can only evaluate by whatever level of expertise I may have for a capacity to make just such an evaluation, I am left wondering not only how I am going to trust either your or my ability to determine who those experts really are or if the expertise they may claim they have should be trusted. All I can say, then, is that I am glad I am not a parent who faces such a decision.

All I know is that what would likely take priority would be trying as best I could to evaluate the sincerity and certainty of my child.

 

[K1052]

Odds are that Rs are going to pretty easily win all the TX high offices so this particular turn isn't even necessary politically. I think one aspect of why Republicans embraced Trump so much is that he shares their love of pointless cruelty and openly revels in it. Hurting people is amusing and even better if they are an out group. It excites the base.

 

[conehead433]

I remember when Republicans were actual human beings.

 

[Meghan54]

You are, once again, mouthing off about things you have no idea about. This is easy, please explain the process a family goes through before their child starts on puberty blockers.

For bonus points maybe you can explain the psychological effects of a trans kid going through puberty and how that will affect them for the rest of their lives.

Puh-leese....he hasn't a fucking clue.

He most likely thinks a parent or pre-teen kid can waltz into a GP's office and demand drugs...and are given them without hesitation. He has not one inkling of the evaluations the kid has to go through before being given access to anything chemical or surgical.

 

[Paratus]

You didn't require chemical treatment and surgery to attain your preference. That's a fundamental difference.
I stand by my statement, children should not be allowed to make life changing choices.

Children are not making these decisions alone. The parents and the children and the doctors are. What makes you better able to understand the situation these kids and parents are in than they are? Why should you or the state get a say in what is the best medical treatment for these children?

It's easy to sit back with no particular understanding of the situation these families find themselves in an say "This is the way it should be". For the parents of kids with gender dysphoria whose children are depressed and potentially suicidal it's not as easy.

 

[KMFJD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1499201805582049280

Biden admin taking action

https://twitter.com/x/status/1499202316980871170

These students know what's up

 

[kitkat22]

I grew up in the 80s and 90s. I knew I was different at about age 8. I didn't have a name to it and during this time no formal setup was in place for transgender kids. I knew enough to consider running away to San Francisco at about 13. Didn't.

The current setup is not a blanket "kids get treatment." Tale a look at WPATH guidelines. Even if I had access to the right treatment there is still a process to go though.

Even as an adult, I had to have 2ental health professionals confirming the diagnosis along with my primary care provider. And by the way, most doctors or providers do not manage transgender medicine. It takes providers willing to do it and training. Where I currently live there is about 3 or 4. I know, I've looked.

For children, the process is just as challenging. My sister in law's child reports being transgender, but their mental health professionals say this is less likely the case. It is more anxiety and depression. We still try to support their mental health but they aren't on hormone blockers. Why? Because the medical community should be handling this, not the government!

 

[Homerboy]

It seems like Greenman feels that a 12 year old can currently go down to the local 7 Eleven on their bike and pick up some Slim Jims, a pack of grape Hubba-Bubba and a week's supply of Testosterone/Estrogen pills.

 

[Jaskalas]

Old enough to have sex, old enough to decide their sex.

That was decided at birth and cannot be altered no matter how many quacks sell drugs and mutilation.

 

[Aikouka]

It seems like Greenman feels that a 12 year old can currently go down to the local 7 Eleven on their bike and pick up some Slim Jims, a pack of grape Hubba-Bubba and a week's supply of Testosterone/Estrogen pills.

I think the problem that we tend to see raised by right-leaning folks in discussions like this tend to be based around plausible situations, but are suggested without enough pretext to know whether it's common enough or even a problem in the first place. For example, the problem raised here seems to be "What if they change their mind?" The problem seems to stem from a misguided understanding of the process, and in some cases, politicians or other agenda-driven folks will purposefully cloud the rhetoric with falsehoods that then drive these misunderstandings.

Although, for some people, I think they probably have a far simpler reason.... "I think it's icky!"

 

[ch33zw1z]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1499201805582049280

Biden admin taking action

https://twitter.com/x/status/1499202316980871170

These students know what's up

Good for those students. There's hope for Texas yet.

Texas, come for the freedom, stay for the oppression!

 

[KMFJD]

Good for those students. There's hope for Texas yet.

Texas, come for the freedom, stay for the oppression!

If you follow the thread they did not let him speak, constantly chanting over top of him (chanting 'deadbeat dad' amongst other things), riot police were there protecting him and actually hit a student with a police car because they were in such a hurry to get out of there

https://twitter.com/x/status/1499191149524828160

 

[Aikouka]

If you follow the thread they did not let him speak, constantly chanting over top of him (chanting 'deadbeat dad' amongst other things), riot police were there protecting him and actually hit a student with a police car because they were in such a hurry to get out of there

https://twitter.com/x/status/1499191149524828160

That's... kind of an awkward take by Younger given that Russia is rather anti-homosexual and such. Most likely just falling back on the all-too-common Republican tactic of demeaning your opposition by grouping them into the evil category du jour.

 

[Homerboy]

I think the problem that we tend to see raised by right-leaning folks in discussions like this tend to be based around plausible situations, but are suggested without enough pretext to know whether it's common enough or even a problem in the first place. For example, the problem raised here seems to be "What if they change their mind?" The problem seems to stem from a misguided understanding of the process, and in some cases, politicians or other agenda-driven folks will purposefully cloud the rhetoric with falsehoods that then drive these misunderstandings.

Although, for some people, I think they probably have a far simpler reason.... "I think it's icky!"

Ignorance. You're saying people are forming their opinions (and laws) based on ignorance.

 

[SmCaudata]

That was decided at birth and cannot be altered no matter how many quacks sell drugs and mutilation.

You weren't born with a cigarette and alcohol. You weren't born with antihypertensive medications flowing through you veins.

People get to have autonomy. I'm sure you are a neuroscientist or other researcher that is able to tell definitively that the brains/bodies of those individuals do not operate in some way as to make them feel more comfortable in anther gender role.

Also, are you opposed to all plastic surgery? Or just this?

Basically all of medicine goes against how we were born and the natural order of things. You are simply drawing a line here because it personally offends your sensibilities and you are too much of a snowflake to let others live the lives they choose.

 

[Greenman]

It seems like Greenman feels that a 12 year old can currently go down to the local 7 Eleven on their bike and pick up some Slim Jims, a pack of grape Hubba-Bubba and a week's supply of Testosterone/Estrogen pills.

Yes, that's exactly what I think. From the 7 Eleven they head over to the pizza parlor basement to be pimped out to republican congressmen.

 

[ch33zw1z]

If you follow the thread they did not let him speak, constantly chanting over top of him (chanting 'deadbeat dad' amongst other things), riot police were there protecting him and actually hit a student with a police car because they were in such a hurry to get out of there

https://twitter.com/x/status/1499191149524828160

Yea, good for those students. He said all he needed to say, calling them communists and Russians.

 

[Aikouka]

Ignorance. You're saying people are forming their opinions (and laws) based on ignorance.

Pretty much. Although, I'd like to think that it might be slightly worse given that you can get ignorance that leads to weak, self-formed opinions. However, you can also get ignorance that accepts opinions that actually seem viable, and that those are much stronger as a result. I think an example of this is the whole debate around male-to-female transgender teens in high school sports.

I think another problem with some Republican viewpoints is that they tend to just argue ad absurdum. For example, it seems like the argument against transgender folks using "the wrong bathroom" is that you're going to get perverted men wearing wigs to go into the women's bathroom. It doesn't even matter if this will happen, it's just that if there is any sort of chance that makes it unacceptable. Living in the South, I do notice this mentality in other areas of life where people will take precautions (that end up causing other problems) for things that aren't even likely to occur.

 

[vi edit]

I think people far too easily forget (or simply never understood) that mental health is still....health.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Yes, that's exactly what I think. From the 7 Eleven they head over to the pizza parlor basement to be pimped out to republican congressmen.

It seems like you're being sarcastic, but can't tell.

Can't really tell because of how often you are willfully ignorant and uninformed, already set in your opinion, and just choose not to budge. So this quote wouldn't really surprise me.

 

[JD50]

Yes, that's exactly what I think. From the 7 Eleven they head over to the pizza parlor basement to be pimped out to republican congressmen.

I wonder why you haven't described the process that families go through before their child can start puberty blockers?

 

[SMOGZINN]

I think people far too easily forget (or simply never understood) that mental health is still....health.

Yes, we have a huge problem with that. The prevailing attitude for most mental health issues is it is a choice, and that a person with say social anxiety should 'just get over it'.