Jane Doe v. Abbott

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SmCaudata

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Yes, we have a huge problem with that. The prevailing attitude for most mental health issues is it is a choice, and that a person with say social anxiety should 'just get over it'.
Yeah. Wonder why the bootstrap crowd doesn't get angry at people on chemo like they do for those with mental health problems.
 

Commodus

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Oct 9, 2004
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Yes, that's exactly what I think. From the 7 Eleven they head over to the pizza parlor basement to be pimped out to republican congressmen.

That was a hyperbolic statement, but I think you understand the gist — it's that you're acting as if this hormonal treatment is something teens will do relatively casually, rather than the serious, procedurally involved process it is.

I have to admit, I'm reminded a bit of the anti-choice types who portray abortion as a casual, irresponsible thing women seek out as an alternative to birth control, like they'll terminate a fetus on their way to Starbucks. I'm not saying you're just like them, but it's absolutely important to stress that people in both cases are fully aware of the seriousness of what they're doing, and that it's a highly emotional decision.
 

Homerboy

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That was a hyperbolic statement, but I think you understand the gist — it's that you're acting as if this hormonal treatment is something teens will do relatively casually, rather than the serious, procedurally involved process it is.

I have to admit, I'm reminded a bit of the anti-choice types who portray abortion as a casual, irresponsible thing women seek out as an alternative to birth control, like they'll terminate a fetus on their way to Starbucks. I'm not saying you're just like them, but it's absolutely important to stress that people in both cases are fully aware of the seriousness of what they're doing, and that it's a highly emotional decision.

I didn't expect him to fully grasp the "subtlety" of my post
 
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SMOGZINN

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Yeah. Wonder why the bootstrap crowd doesn't get angry at people on chemo like they do for those with mental health problems.
Some do. A lot of the anti-vax crowed are against not just vaccines but a whole range of medications that they have decided that, in their medial expertise, being given to people as some sort of conspiracy by the entirety of medical science. Cancer is one of the big conspiracy hot points, with a good number of anti-vaxxers denying that it even exists, others saying that it is a guaranteed death sentence and Big Pharm is just pumping them full of toxic chemicals to make a huge profit off of people that are going to die anyway.
 

hal2kilo

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Yeah. Wonder why the bootstrap crowd doesn't get angry at people on chemo like they do for those with mental health problems.
They would have no one to judge and look down to, so they can make themselves feel better.
 

nakedfrog

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That was decided at birth and cannot be altered no matter how many quacks sell drugs and mutilation.
Hey, remember how you used to think climate change was a hoax, but ultimately came around after reviewing the data? That approach might serve you well here, too. Or you could at least tone down your indignant scoffing at medical experts and studies in favor of spewing wildly transphobic statements. Those "quacks selling drugs and mutilation" have data to support that it's an effective treatment for the condition.
 

Moonbeam

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They would have no one to judge and look down to, so they can make themselves feel better.
Damn, that is exactly what the problem is in my opinion. The greater the understanding of human psychology a person gains the more they discover there is nobody on earth we can blame for our pain. I think this the root of all judgmental punishment culture we are surrounded by all over the world.
 
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NWRMidnight

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Indeed they do, and most parents try to prevent them from doing it rather than promoting it.
Kids do stupid things because they don't grasp the long term implications of their actions. They lack the experience, and often times the guidance, necessary to make wise choices.
In the case of sexual activity, that urge is built into us, for many it's irresistible. It's also a far cry from handing your kids drugs that will fundamentally alter their entire life.
I know I am late to the party (been moving) But considering we have tens of millions of adults in this country who are just as stupid, and make just as many if not more unwise decisions, who also don't grasp the implications of their actions, what exactly is your argument? To clarify, I am not talking about the parents of these children.

Most kids have a pretty full gasp on their sexuality by their teens, if not sooner, and history has proven to us that it's more damaging for them to hide it and not be open about it. so if a kid (teen) needs a drug to make them "whole" and allow them to be who they know they are, than all power to them.

Now, I am all for a law that makes it a crime and child abuse to force your political views and religious beliefs on your children. That I can get behind. Don't misunderstand what I mean by that. There is a difference between educating and teaching vs forcing and requiring. The topic of this discussion is not education or teaching. It's purely a vehicle to force and require a political and religious view.
 
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It seems like Greenman feels that a 12 year old can currently go down to the local 7 Eleven on their bike and pick up some Slim Jims, a pack of grape Hubba-Bubba and a week's supply of Testosterone/Estrogen pills.

Considering what the one old fuck (I don't even remember his name at this point) claimed there were guys in the military getting gender reassignment surgery to pass PT, its not shocking that these old morons (that bitch about minor aches and pains by the way, Greenman claims he's had a debillitating sore shoulder for months due to the COVID shot...) know jack fucking shit about what they're talking about.
 

blackangst1

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
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Puh-leese....he hasn't a fucking clue.

He most likely thinks a parent or pre-teen kid can waltz into a GP's office and demand drugs...and are given them without hesitation. He has not one inkling of the evaluations the kid has to go through before being given access to anything chemical or surgical.

So explain the process to us since you seem to know...
 

Captante

Lifer
Oct 20, 2003
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Why would I describe the process?


To illustrate that you understand it yourself for starters.... I have no issue admitting that I have no idea how it works myself.

*(reminder: If you can't explain it to a 5 year-old etc etc)
 
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kitkat22

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Hey, remember how you used to think climate change was a hoax, but ultimately came around after reviewing the data? That approach might serve you well here, too. Or you could at least tone down your indignant scoffing at medical experts and studies in favor of spewing wildly transphobic statements. Those "quacks selling drugs and mutilation" have data to support that it's an effective treatment for the condition.

I would love to have him prove me a "quack." 4.5 years undergrad with major in Food Science and minors in business and chemistry. 4 years of medical school. 3 year residency. Chief resident. Essentially rewrote the training program at my residency during that year. Been in practice for 8+ years now. I teach medical students. Just received preceptor of the year award. I would love to discuss research topics and statistics with anyone trying to counter arguments.

I also am transgender and I also happen to be Christian.
 

Greenman

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Oct 15, 1999
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To illustrate that you understand it yourself for starters.... I have no issue admitting that I have no idea how it works myself.

*(reminder: If you can't explain it to a 5 year-old etc etc)
I don't know what the process is, and quite honestly, I don't care. It's become a fad, we're experimenting on our own children and my guess is it's not going to end well.
I can't imagine why anyone would do this to their child. I'm incapable of understanding the mindset behind it.
 
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