Jane Sanders, wife of Bernie Sanders under investigation for $10M bank fraud

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brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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I've already said I am not posting my taxes. It clearly shows me in the 25% bracket, but barely. He has multiple houses and worth well over 1 million dollars. We're not in the same boat.

He is a hypocrite also for not wanting his wife investigated, while wanting all sorts of other investigations to the right when there is less "evidence".

There is nothing more for me to say on this.

Wealth does not equal income. Taxes are about income earned in a year. You do understand that right?
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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You're going to have to explain how on earth he is a hypocrite because nothing you've said so far makes that case in any way.

Are you trying to say that because he wants to change our tax laws to tax the rich more he is somehow a hypocrite for following our tax laws as they currently are? I don't think you thought this through. Does this logic apply to other areas of public policy? If you think we should strike Iran or North Korea are you a hypocrite if you don't launch a one man Rambo mission against them?

I don't understand why people don't seem to get this. Maybe it's because they're confused about why we want to see Trump's tax returns. It certainly isn't because we're concerned over him paying low taxes. Not for me anyway. I want to know about his financial dealings, who he is borrowing money from, etc. I couldn't care less if he's taking available deductions to pay low taxes. That may illustrate problems with the tax code, but it isn't a problem for Trump himself. One of the few things he's ever said that I agreed with is when he said something like, "don't blame me for taking advantage of legal opportunities to pay low taxes. If you want to address the problem, change the tax code." That was Donald Trump saying more or less what you just said. Why Ackmed doesn't get it is a mystery to me.
 

Ackmed

Diamond Member
Oct 1, 2003
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He doesnt have any wealth and thinks he knows everything already so im pretty sure he doesnt.

You don't know what I have. I am aware that income is what taxes are on. Sanders wants to "tax the rich". I don't have multiple houses and make as much as him last year. Yet he paid a lot less. I never said I know everything. In fact, in a well thought out post that I replied to you (that you never responded to) I said something about "people much smarter than me" about a solution. I wouldn't say that if I didn't know everything. If you are going to make a claim about me, make sure it is factual first.

Fact is, he made more than me, and I paid almost double. His net worth is far superior to mine, and I paid more. He doesn't want his wife investigated, but wants all sorts of other Trump/Repub dealings investigated. He swore off Hillary Clinton, then joined by her after defeated. He is a hypocrite. Don't like it? Too bad.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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You don't know what I have. I am aware that income is what taxes are on. Sanders wants to "tax the rich". I don't have multiple houses and make as much as him last year. Yet he paid a lot less. I never said I know everything. In fact, in a well thought out post that I replied to you (that you never responded to) I said something about "people much smarter than me" about a solution. I wouldn't say that if I didn't know everything. If you are going to make a claim about me, make sure it is factual first.

Fact is, he made more than me, and I paid almost double. His net worth is far superior to mine, and I paid more. He doesn't want his wife investigated, but wants all sorts of other Trump/Repub dealings investigated. He swore off Hillary Clinton, then joined by her after defeated. He is a hypocrite. Don't like it? Too bad.

Go to your 1040 for 2016, take your total taxes owed and divide by total gross income (not AGI, not Federal Taxable on a pay stub, but total gross) if you paid 25% in federal income tax, you are a baller making far more than Bernie. Until you do this, and figure out how progressive taxes work, you have no business debating taxes.
 

Ackmed

Diamond Member
Oct 1, 2003
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Go to your 1040 for 2016, take your total taxes owed and divide by total gross income (not AGI, not Federal Taxable on a pay stub, but total gross) if you paid 25% in federal income tax, you are a baller making far more than Bernie. Until you do this, and figure out how progressive taxes work, you have no business debating taxes.

I understand this. I am not posting my taxes, I have said this. I am in the 25% bracket, barely. I am FAR from a baller.

That does not change the fact about the other reasons, (this posts topic) that he is a hypocrite. I have already said why, I am tired of repeating myself.
 

Zorba

Lifer
Oct 22, 1999
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I understand this. I am not posting my taxes, I have said this. I am in the 25% bracket, barely. I am FAR from a baller.

That does not change the fact about the other reasons, (this posts topic) that he is a hypocrite. I have already said why, I am tired of repeating myself.

I am not asking you to post your taxes, I am asking you to do simple arithmetic. Bernie is in the 28% tax bracket, yours is only 25% so using your logic he paid more. I am in the 28% bracket, but only paid 14% with no deductions. Your tax bracket is NOT your effective tax rate.

If you were exactly on the top end of the 25% bracket, married no other deductions your effective tax rate would be 17.9%. That is with no 401k, no IRA, no kids, etc.

Look at Table 2 on this page: https://taxfoundation.org/2017-tax-brackets/

But continuing to compare your marginal tax rate to Bernie's effective tax rate just makes you look ignorant at best or a complete disingenuous hack at worst.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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I am not asking you to post your taxes, I am asking you to do simple arithmetic. Bernie is in the 28% tax bracket, yours is only 25% so using your logic he paid more. I am in the 28% bracket, but only paid 14% with no deductions. Your tax bracket is NOT your effective tax rate.

If you were exactly on the top end of the 25% bracket, married no other deductions your effective tax rate would be 17.9%. That is with no 401k, no IRA, no kids, etc.

Look at Table 2 on this page: https://taxfoundation.org/2017-tax-brackets/

But continuing to compare your marginal tax rate to Bernie's effective tax rate just makes you look ignorant at best or a complete disingenuous hack at worst.

the conservative way is to refuse to see.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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You don't know what I have. I am aware that income is what taxes are on. Sanders wants to "tax the rich". I don't have multiple houses and make as much as him last year. Yet he paid a lot less. I never said I know everything. In fact, in a well thought out post that I replied to you (that you never responded to) I said something about "people much smarter than me" about a solution. I wouldn't say that if I didn't know everything. If you are going to make a claim about me, make sure it is factual first.

Fact is, he made more than me, and I paid almost double. His net worth is far superior to mine, and I paid more. He doesn't want his wife investigated, but wants all sorts of other Trump/Repub dealings investigated. He swore off Hillary Clinton, then joined by her after defeated. He is a hypocrite. Don't like it? Too bad.

No, he didn't. You admitted that he makes way more than you. Even if his percentage was less than yours (because you also admittedly suck at doing your taxes properly), he still paid more because he makes way more.

lol--"swore off Hillary Clinton, then joined her." Man, you really weren't paying attention. That campaign was actually rather cordial, but you didn't watch a second of it.

So, what do you think of that Kellyanne Conway, Chrisp Kristie, Ted Crux, Paul Ryan, Rience Preibus, Myrtle the Tyrtle...all the other Republican dick munchers that you admire so so much and that tried to bury Trump, then promptly lined up at the trough to beg for scraps? Why do you tolerate your party of actual, verifiable, real hypocrites, then scream like a tiny baby about shit you clearly don't understand?
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
32,333
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how does akmed feel about getting played by the party he admires?

Apparently he and others enjoy it. Why else would they subject themselves to it time and time again.


I should change my original response to him from, "liar", to idiot, though.
 
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JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
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They like having thier "I'm the victim" heart strings pulled. So easily manipulated.

Nationalism and religion are the greatest tools to manipulate man ever made.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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Let it be known that Sanders isn't even running for president right now and this is the type of hit job he'd be facing. This is what Republicans do and they did it to Clinton and they would have done it to Sanders as well.

So all you Bernie supporters complaining about this maybe now you'll understand how complacent you were when you were spouting Republican talking points to discredit Hillary.
 

JSt0rm

Lifer
Sep 5, 2000
27,399
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Let it be known that Sanders isn't even running for president right now and this is the type of hit job he'd be facing. This is what Republicans do and they did it to Clinton and they would have done it to Sanders as well.

So all you Bernie supporters complaining about this maybe now you'll understand how complacent you were when you were spouting Republican talking points to discredit Hillary.

Republicans are shit. Most intelligent people know this. Thing is intelligent people don't have 4-6 kids and spout god to all.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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If I am reading this correctly, then there is as good as zero evidence of pressure from Sanders. The allegation runs like this:

1. original bank source -> 2. bank source without first hand knowledge -> 3. republican assemblyman-> 4. republican lawyer-> 5. FBI.

I think that qualifies as quadruple hearsay. And to make matters worse, the assemblyman who is link #3 doubts the credibility of the information he received from link#2 to the point where he doesn't think it was even worth sharing it with the FBI. Doh!
 

WHAMPOM

Diamond Member
Feb 28, 2006
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The investigation means nothing, only the end result. A trial with a guilty verdict and even those often get reversed on appeal. Of course the titillation of "no smoke without a fire" people is always eternal.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Let it be known that Sanders isn't even running for president right now and this is the type of hit job he'd be facing. This is what Republicans do and they did it to Clinton and they would have done it to Sanders as well.

So all you Bernie supporters complaining about this maybe now you'll understand how complacent you were when you were spouting Republican talking points to discredit Hillary.

They're dupes in the greatest concern trolling effort ever created.

They might as well have gone to a Trump rally & screamed "Lock her up!" with the rest of 'em.
 
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