Japan may kick US Forces Japan out of Okinawa entirely

Dari

Lifer
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Obama, being Obama, has insulted and assaulted the Japanese government and was reluctant to renegotiate the agreement with the previous LDP government, despite the noise, rapes, and murders that US Forces cause in and around Ginowan. Now, the Japanese want to start from scratch and relocate the Marines to Guam. Here's a hint Mr. president, try to be friendly to our allies and hostile to our enemies, not the other way around.

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/politics/news/20100125-OYT1T01299.htm

http://japantoday.com/category/poli...start-from-scratch-on-futenma-relocation-plan

Hatoyama says he'll start from scratch on Futenma relocation plan
Tuesday 26th January, 06:45 AM JST

TOKYO —
Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama pledged Monday to “start from scratch” in re-examining a key military deal with Washington on relocating American troops, risking the ire of its key ally after a local election in Okinawa showed that residents oppose any new Marine base in their region.

The U.S. reacted cautiously Monday, issuing a statement that it was “consulting closely” with Tokyo on the issue.

After the small Okinawan city of Nago elected a mayor opposed to moving the facility there, Japan will be hard pressed to honor its 2006 agreement to relocate a U.S. military base on the southern island. Sunday’s vote is reverberating to Tokyo and beyond, widening an already growing rift with Washington.

Hatoyama appears to be caught in a no-win situation of either antagonizing local citizens or Japan’s main alliance partner. With upper house elections this summer, he can’t run roughshod over voters’ voices.

“He can’t make a decision now that’s going to make both the Americans and Okinawans happy,” said Jeff Kingston, Temple University Director of Asian Studies in Tokyo.

“It does give Hatoyama a bit of cover: ‘Hey, I have to listen to the voice of the people.’ But I don’t think that’s going to cut much weight with Washington,” Kingston added.

At issue is a 2006 plan to reorganize U.S. troops in Japan. A key sticking point in that agreement forged between Washington and Tokyo’s previous conservative government involves moving Futenma Marine Corps air station in the crowded, southern part of the island to a coastal area near Nago—a move that many locals oppose.

Hatoyama, who swept into power in September, has frustrated Washington by refusing to commit to the move to Nago at a time of rising Asia security concerns from North Korea’s nuclear program and China’s growing military strength. One member of his Cabinet, the left-leaning Mizuho Fukushima, has flatly said she wants Futenma moved off Japanese territory altogether.

U.S. officials have insisted the agreement must be kept. Backing out could scrap the whole realignment plan, which would lighten the burden on Okinawa—where more than half the 47,000 U.S. troops in Japan are based—by sending 8,000 Marines to the U.S. territory of Guam.

Reacting Monday to the Nago vote, Hatoyama said the election reflected the will of the people and that Tokyo would re-examine all its options on the Futenma issue.

“The country will start from scratch on this issue and take responsibility to reach a conclusion by the end of May,” he told reporters.

The U.S. State Department refrained from criticizing Hatoyama or pushing its stance in a statement issued Monday.

“We are consulting closely with the Japanese government on the Futenma relocation issue,” the statement said. “Decisions related to national security, including base realignment, are typically made by central governments, after taking into account relevant factors, including the interests of base-hosting communities.

Japanese officials have examined other possible locations on Okinawa, and some have even traveled to Guam, to look for alternative relocation sites, but none have fit the bill. And Washington has insisted on sticking with Nago, saying it is the best option.

Ever since winning August’s elections, ending the conservatives’ five decades of nearly uninterrupted rule, Hatoyama has said he wants a more independent relationship with Washington and has suggested he wants revisions in the 2006 military realignment plan.

Still, he has said the U.S.-Japan security pact—now in its 50th year and which obligates the U.S. to respond to attacks on Japan—is the cornerstone of Japanese diplomacy.

Nago’s mayor-elect, Susumu Inamine, an independent, ran with the support of Hatoyama’s ruling Democratic Party. He won 52.3% of the vote after campaigning against any expansion of U.S. military presence in the area, while the incumbent argued that the base would bring jobs and investment.

Meanwhile, China is probably watching the widening rift between Washington and Tokyo with interest, experts say—even as it welcomes Hatoyama’s overtures to build stronger ties with Beijing and other Asian neighbors.

“From the Chinese side, the debate about Okinawa and what to do with bases in the framework of the security pact has been looked at very favorably, that Japan is not simply following old contracts,” said Martin Schulz, a research fellow at Fujitsu Research Institute in Tokyo.

Domestically, perceptions of Hatoyama’s indecisiveness on Futenma—and alienating the United States—could undermine his party’s performance in this summer’s elections. Already, the government’s approval ratings have fallen amid a potential scandal involving a key party power-broker and persistent weakness in the economy.

“Prime Minister Hatoyama is responsible for a delayed decision (on Futenma) due to his wishy-washiness and lack of determination,” the Yomiuri newspaper said in an editorial Monday. “Without a relocation site ... Japan-U.S. relations would worsen and falls into a critical situation. Is that what the Hatoyama government wants?”
 

JS80

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I thought the japs are supposed to be smart. This is like owning a shop and the mob is paying YOU to give you protection from the rival mob across the street.
 

dullard

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Obama, being Obama, has insulted and assaulted the Japanese government and was reluctant to renegotiate the agreement with the previous LDP government, despite the noise, rapes, and murders that US Forces cause in and around Ginowan. Now, the Japanese want to start from scratch and relocate the Marines to Guam. Here's a hint Mr. president, try to be friendly to our allies and hostile to our enemies, not the other way around.

Could you please expand on how he insulted the government? Yes, there was a rape in 1995 (and maybe another in 2008). Rapes are horrible dispicable acts, but it was also a fairly isolated incident. Bush and the Japanese government made an agreement in 2006 that Japan now wants to back out of. How is that Obama insulting them? I'm asking because I'm ignorant on the issue, not because I deny the issue.

From your own article:
The U.S. State Department refrained from criticizing Hatoyama or pushing its stance in a statement issued Monday.
 
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Lemon law

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I don't know why our OP has tried to make it into a just Obama issue, but any military base located almost anywhere, and populated by horny serviceman is bound to generate tensions with the locals. Its human nature and predates Obama by generations.

And now shock of shock, somewhere else does not want the base either, as if NIMBY is anything new either.
 

Dari

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Could you please expand on how he insulted the government? Yes, there was a rape in 1995 (and maybe another in 2008). Rapes are horrible dispicable acts, but it was also a fairly isolated incident. Bush and the Japanese government made an agreement in 2006 that Japan now wants to back out of. How is that Obama insulting them? I'm asking because I'm ignorant on the issue, not because I deny the issue.

To quote Hilary Clinton: "An agreement's an agreement". That was their attitude when the new government wanted to re-negotiate that agreement. The base is in the middle of a city and the people do not like the marines there. The new government promised change but Obama decided to play hardball, bossing the Japanese around. They tried to browbeat them and said they were their most difficult problem. Really? Not Iran? Not North Korea? Japan?
 

CrackRabbit

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Could you please expand on how he insulted the government? Yes, there was a rape in 1995 (and maybe another in 2008). Rapes are horrible dispicable acts, but it was also a fairly isolated incident. Bush and the Japanese government made an agreement in 2006 that Japan now wants to back out of. How is that Obama insulting them? I'm asking because I'm ignorant on the issue, not because I deny the issue.

From your own article:

Don't worry Dari is just trolling as usual looking for the regular anti-Obama posters to chime in and make him feel smart.
 

Dari

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They'll ask us back when China starts eying them for dinner.

That's the thing. China likes things the way they are. They do not want the Japanese scrapping their constitution and becoming more militant. They are very fearful of that.
 

Genx87

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Be nice if Germany did this as well. Allow the world to start picking up the full costs of defending themselves.
 

JS80

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Be nice if Germany did this as well. Allow the world to start picking up the full costs of defending themselves.

You know they won't, and it'll cost more when we have to bail them out when shit hits the fan.
 

Fox5

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Lets get out of there. Japan can defend themselves.

Despite being defensive, they're one of the most powerful militaries in the world, with a substantial airforce, and I think even coast guard and ground forces. Japan is demilitarized in name only, their constitution, forced on them after WW,2 isn't followed all that closely.

Love the multiparty democracy they have over there too.
 

Genx87

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You know they won't, and it'll cost more when we have to bail them out when shit hits the fan.

A lot of things can happen. We cant control everything. Let the world sort out their own problems.
 

StageLeft

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About time?

Also, Canada, please get the queen off your money. Have some self respect. You know she won't do sh*t, she won't!
 

Hayabusa Rider

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There is this little thing called sovereignty. WWII was a lifetime ago and there is no need for an occupational army. If they don't want us, we are obliged to GTFO.
 

JS80

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A lot of things can happen. We cant control everything. Let the world sort out their own problems.

Tempting to say that now if not at least to teach the pussies a lesson but I think we should be the better people and keep swinging the big di- *ahem* stick.
 

Fear No Evil

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There is this little thing called sovereignty. WWII was a lifetime ago and there is no need for an occupational army. If they don't want us, we are obliged to GTFO.

I think some of you are missing the fact that we aren't necessarily in places like Germany and Japan purely for DEFENSIVE purposes.. its also strategic. If we need to take care of business in the region, its a hell of a lot quicker/easier to send troops/planes/supplies from Japan than California.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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I think some of you are missing the fact that we aren't necessarily in places like Germany and Japan purely for DEFENSIVE purposes.. its also strategic. If we need to take care of business in the region, its a hell of a lot quicker/easier to send troops/planes/supplies from Japan than California.

I understand that. Nevertheless, if we claim to be a nation devoted to freedom, then we need to realize that self determination is the largest part of that. It would be rather hypocritical to say that one wants the government to interfere less in our lives then force a military presence on one of our best allies.

Sure it's a PIA, but we have the technological capacity to adapt.

Certainly you wouldn't want the reverse situation to apply to us, and while we have the might to force our preferences on another, that pretty much shoots any moral claim for the US being a force for freedom for others in the foot.

I think it's time to adapt and move on.
 

Jhhnn

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I don't know why our OP has tried to make it into a just Obama issue,

Everything is Obama's fault, even the fall of Rome, Don'tcha know?

And, uhh, let's face it, a 52.3% victory for the new mayor of Nago isn't exactly a landslide, either, nor would the removal one one Marine base end American presence on Okinawa, at all.

Got to rally the faithful against Obama, in any event... He is, after all, the Devil incarnate...
 

Hacp

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Everything is Obama's fault, even the fall of Rome, Don'tcha know?

And, uhh, let's face it, a 52.3% victory for the new mayor of Nago isn't exactly a landslide, either, nor would the removal one one Marine base end American presence on Okinawa, at all.

Got to rally the faithful against Obama, in any event... He is, after all, the Devil incarnate...

Why have you put words into my mouth sir?
 

Craig234

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I thought the japs are supposed to be smart. This is like owning a shop and the mob is paying YOU to give you protection from the rival mob across the street.

And the free protection kicked you out of the master bedroom, and raped your sister,
 
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