Japan, what's wrong with you?

[Kraeji]

Originally posted by: slycat
98% of all Japanese don't know fvck about what happened in WW2(thanks to censorship) ...they only feel the US friggin bombed them for nothing and as far as their concerned, they did no wrong to deserve that. trust me i have close japanese relatives. Its called nonchalance and ignorance...hand-in-hand. plus a LOT of the major companies in Japan like Mitsubishi..etc..had a dirty hand in the japanese war.

didnt hitachi sell secrets to the ussr in the cold war?

 

[Kraeji]

Originally posted by: gopunk
btw, let me just say that all you people talking about how bad america is, and how bad the history education is, etc, this just goes to show that the history education is really bad. if they spent nearly as much time on the japanese atrocities as they did on the german atrocities, you wouldn't be saying jack sh!t. you never hear anybody saying stuff like "yea, the nazis were bad, but america has done sh!t too". not comparable.

well put!

 

[teatheif]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Sid59

4. i'm sorry, but that is no where near as bad as what japan did. go read up on it if you don't know. i seriously doubt the u.s. has established military units commissioned specifically to kidnap civilians and perform "experiments" on them. this is not some renegade operation... this was the japanese government giving their stamp of approval on these war crimes. no different than what the nazis did.

there is no way you can say what america has done is equitable to what japan has, unless you want to also say that what america has done is equitable to what the nazis have.

GoPunk: I guess you never heard of the Tuskegee Syphilis Study sponsered by our government.

Here is a link about it. I am sure that government has conducted other "experiments" that we don't even know about.

 

[Doggiedog]

Didn't we just go through this last month?

 

[kami333]

Little known fact: some German war criminals continue to recieve pensions even now.

When you talk about how slanted history textbooks are, has anyone ever considered what Chinese and Korean ones are like? They are the most vocal countries about changing Japanese textbooks to include certain events, yet, has anyone ever criticized their's?

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: teatheif

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Sid59

4. i'm sorry, but that is no where near as bad as what japan did. go read up on it if you don't know. i seriously doubt the u.s. has established military units commissioned specifically to kidnap civilians and perform "experiments" on them. this is not some renegade operation... this was the japanese government giving their stamp of approval on these war crimes. no different than what the nazis did.

there is no way you can say what america has done is equitable to what japan has, unless you want to also say that what america has done is equitable to what the nazis have.

GoPunk: I guess you never heard of the Tuskegee Syphilis Study sponsered by our government.

Here is a link about it. I am sure that government has conducted other "experiments" that we don't even know about.

they have on their own military personnel...i read an article on it somewhere...i think time mag......

also...why aren't the racist people in here being flamed...eh?...

 

[OutHouse]

the united states has never committed any atrocity as bad as what the japanese did.

Not in as big of scale but our boys did some terriable things on a much smaller scale.

I was watching "the color of war" on the history channel and it was about the subs. One sub sunk a japanese troop ship and after the ship sunk there was an estimate of 7K japanese soldiers floating in the water. the sub surfaced and nearly every crewman came on deck with a tommy gun or M-1 and between them and the regular deck guns they killed every single japanese soldier. the show even had color footage of a soldier floating near the sub playing dead but a sailor opened up on him with a tommy gun and shows 2-3 rounds to the head and 5-6 to the torso and a lots of blood. The captain of the sub even wrote of it in his offical log. No charges were ever filed.

My uncle was a WWII grunt fighting the Nazis and he told me some stories when i was a teenager that were at the time hard to believe. but after served my time in two war zones and doing my own reading i understand why man can be so cruel to man.

My father is a WWII Navy vet. I dont bring up the war with him or Japan. If the Government of Japan did appoligize for the war I do not think he would ever forgive them for what they started. A few years ago he gave me a Japanese Aritsaka type 99 infranty rife he brought back. he kept it in excellent condition and I will do the same and when the time comes ill pass it onto my son so he will never forget what japan put my father and MILLIONS of other people through.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: Citrix

the united states has never committed any atrocity as bad as what the japanese did.

Not in as big of scale but our boys did some terriable things on a much smaller scale.

I was watching "the color of war" on the history channel and it was about the subs. One sub sunk a japanese troop ship and after the ship sunk there was an estimate of 7K japanese soldiers floating in the water. the sub surfaced and nearly every crewman came on deck with a tommy gun or M-1 and between them and the regular deck guns they killed every single japanese soldier. the show even had color footage of a soldier floating near the sub playing dead but a sailor opened up on him with a tommy gun and shows 2-3 rounds to the head and 5-6 to the torso and a lots of blood. The captain of the sub even wrote of it in his offical log. No charges were ever filed.

My uncle was a WWII grunt fighting the Nazis and he told me some stories when i was a teenager that were at the time hard to believe. but after served my time in two war zones and doing my own reading i understand why man can be so cruel to man.

well put...we can't just generalize that the japanese are bad .....it's us...us as humans.....that's why this thread is so stupid and thought up by an ignorant person...

 

[kami333]

Originally posted by: teatheif

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Sid59

4. i'm sorry, but that is no where near as bad as what japan did. go read up on it if you don't know. i seriously doubt the u.s. has established military units commissioned specifically to kidnap civilians and perform "experiments" on them. this is not some renegade operation... this was the japanese government giving their stamp of approval on these war crimes. no different than what the nazis did.

there is no way you can say what america has done is equitable to what japan has, unless you want to also say that what america has done is equitable to what the nazis have.

GoPunk: I guess you never heard of the Tuskegee Syphilis Study sponsered by our government.

Here is a link about it. I am sure that government has conducted other "experiments" that we don't even know about.

I remember studying that in my experimental design class, we were talking about what is ethical and unethical in medical experiments. I wonder if the doctors involved ever got in trouble for that?

 

[Nemesis77]

Originally posted by: Grasshopper27

Originally posted by: Nemesis77
Not really. Sure you helped them, but the Soviet war-production was FAR bigger than number of equipment they got from Lend-Lease. Yes L-L did help, but to say that Soviets were succesfull solely because of L-L is just an sad attempt to rob them from their accomplishments during WW2.

That's true, Russia did produce most of their own weapons, but L-L was there when it really counted, at the start. Russia would not have survived long enough to build their own weapons if it hadn't been for L-L.

Hopper

The importance of L_L was bigger in the beginning, that's true. But it's uncertain that was L_L the thing that prevented the fall of SU. I mean, it took some time for the equipment to get to the front. And not all of the equipment was weapons, large parts of it were cloth and food for example. Germans did get real close of taking Moscow, but it's not certain that would fall of Moscow mean fall of SU as well.

 

[Staples]

How about that like 99% of Anime with humans in it always has an 8 year old girl as the star. I have had a feeling for a long time that they embrace pedophelia there.

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: gopunk

right, but celebrating thanksgiving is drastically different than honoring war criminals and saying things like "we owe everything to the 'sacrifices' these people made" like japan's prime minister has. can you imagine the uproar it would cause if germany's leader said that about the nazi party?

you are right, but still even Britain is celebrating war criminals and put up a statue for this "Bomber Harris"

 

[FrontlineWarrior]

japan: the birthplace and home of TENTACLE PORN.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: teatheif

Originally posted by: gopunk

4. i'm sorry, but that is no where near as bad as what japan did. go read up on it if you don't know. i seriously doubt the u.s. has established military units commissioned specifically to kidnap civilians and perform "experiments" on them. this is not some renegade operation... this was the japanese government giving their stamp of approval on these war crimes. no different than what the nazis did.

there is no way you can say what america has done is equitable to what japan has, unless you want to also say that what america has done is equitable to what the nazis have.

GoPunk: I guess you never heard of the Tuskegee Syphilis Study sponsered by our government.

Here is a link about it. I am sure that government has conducted other "experiments" that we don't even know about.

actually, i have. the tuskegee syphilis study does not fall under the criterea i listed... if you were literate, you would have realized that. the united states did not give these men syphillis. they did not send parties out to kidnap black males, take them back to the lab, and inject them with bad blood.

if the japanese just did stuff like the tuskegee syphilis experiment, that would be 100 TIMES BETTER than what they did. are you kidding me? i would choose the tuskegee "experiment" over what the japanese did in china and korea ANY DAY. this is not a statement saying that the tuskegee experiment was not horrible, on the contrary, it was despicable. that should give you an idea of how bad what the japanese did was.

the more i think about it, the more laughable this comparison is. first off, the premise of the experiment itself is not comparable. secondly, 128 people died. do you have any idea of how many people the japanese killed in a WORSE fashion? 1000 times that and more!

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: voodoo33500
no im telling you its yu gi o cards they got poison of the brain in em

Can someone translate this into English for me....

 

[Siddhartha]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Again, the post is probablly a person who just got through getting a very slanted history lesson. Let's compare the actions of the US versus the rest of the world.

the united states has never committed any atrocity as bad as what the japanese did.

the united states has never:

set up bases in urban populations that would kidnap civilians, and perform experiments including vivisection.... cut these people open WHILE THEY ARE ALIVE with no anesthetic. this was often done to PREGNANT women... they would be sliced open, the baby yanked out and smashed. all while they're conscious. the next time you see a pregnant woman walking down the street, i want you to picture some japanese soldier running up, sticking his bayonet into her belly, reaching in and grabbing the fetus, and just ripping it out of her.

the united states has never set up operations to kidnap women and force them into being human sperm spittoons. japan would often do this with nurses from hospitals....


i challenge you to find any atocity the united states has committed that is as bad and on as wide a scale as what the japanese and germans did. there simply is no u.s. equivalent to the holocaust. the US is not anywhere close to perfect, but compared to what the japanese and germans did, they're saints.

How about the US fire bombing Japanese urban centers killing thousands of civilians?

 

[VFAA]

Originally posted by: X-Man
"Also its due to Ruskis that WWII was won in Europe."

. . . with American guns and ammunition.

Don't forget Poles ...

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: Nemesis77

Originally posted by: Grasshopper27

Originally posted by: Nemesis77
Not really. Sure you helped them, but the Soviet war-production was FAR bigger than number of equipment they got from Lend-Lease. Yes L-L did help, but to say that Soviets were succesfull solely because of L-L is just an sad attempt to rob them from their accomplishments during WW2.

That's true, Russia did produce most of their own weapons, but L-L was there when it really counted, at the start. Russia would not have survived long enough to build their own weapons if it hadn't been for L-L.

Hopper

The importance of L_L was bigger in the beginning, that's true. But it's uncertain that was L_L the thing that prevented the fall of SU. I mean, it took some time for the equipment to get to the front. And not all of the equipment was weapons, large parts of it were cloth and food for example. Germans did get real close of taking Moscow, but it's not certain that would fall of Moscow mean fall of SU as well.

The ONLY thing for sure the USA supplied to the sovietas was food (and not enough by the way). Almost no weapons. Help is help neverhless, but with that help or without, the soviets were going to win the war in Europe (maybe one million more of deaths, but when the country already suffered 20+ millions, it really doesn't matter)

 

[gopunk]

How about the US fire bombing Japanese urban centers killing thousands of civilians?

what about them? i don't see how you can even make the comparison.... can you compare any bombings to the death camps the nazis operated?

 

[Sid59]

Originally posted by: johnjohn320

Originally posted by: idNut
At least America doesn't distort their history no matter how big the embarassment.

Bullshit.

lol .. that was good. i think i'll call BS here too.


whether the government sponsors an experiment and WITHHOLDING truths from the people and kidnapping to torture all fall under the "AXIS OF EVIL"


I still stand by my inital post. The truth comes out about EVERY SINGLE country in the world. But when it comes to US history, it's hardly truthful. Well, in part it is. I don't remember reading about the Native American genocide. How many states would pay settlers by the bullet for each kill they had on American Indians.

Genocide is genocide now matter how it is done.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: VFAA

Originally posted by: X-Man
"Also its due to Ruskis that WWII was won in Europe."

. . . with American guns and ammunition.

Don't forget Poles ...

What about the Poles? What did they do?
WWII was won with the T-34 and Il-2 and Soviet blood. No other European country would have withstood such unbelievable levels of destruction and death, such terrible odds, such persecution from within, and not surrendered. Germany was stopped at Stalingrad.

 

[SuperTool]

Oh yes, the Japanese also expect to get the Kuril Islands back some day. They want to basically made whole, as if they didn't start a war and kill millions of people.

 

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP

Originally posted by: Citrix

the united states has never committed any atrocity as bad as what the japanese did.

Not in as big of scale but our boys did some terriable things on a much smaller scale.

I was watching "the color of war" on the history channel and it was about the subs. One sub sunk a japanese troop ship and after the ship sunk there was an estimate of 7K japanese soldiers floating in the water. the sub surfaced and nearly every crewman came on deck with a tommy gun or M-1 and between them and the regular deck guns they killed every single japanese soldier. the show even had color footage of a soldier floating near the sub playing dead but a sailor opened up on him with a tommy gun and shows 2-3 rounds to the head and 5-6 to the torso and a lots of blood. The captain of the sub even wrote of it in his offical log. No charges were ever filed.

My uncle was a WWII grunt fighting the Nazis and he told me some stories when i was a teenager that were at the time hard to believe. but after served my time in two war zones and doing my own reading i understand why man can be so cruel to man.

well put...we can't just generalize that the japanese are bad .....it's us...us as humans.....that's why this thread is so stupid and thought up by an ignorant person...

i just might as well qoute my own reply......

IT'S JUST US HUMANS IN GENERAL....

 

[Booster]

I guess it's imporant to understand that Japan may be the second reachest country in the world, but it's not truly democratic, unlike the US and other Western countries. That's why certain restrictions are imposed by the government in the history teaching and other departments. You can't say 'democratic' country about pretty any country East from Africa, except Australia maybe.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: idNut
At least America doesn't distort their history no matter how big the embarassment.

There wasn't that much history when I was in school. I'm anxious to see what the history books say when my son gets in school.


My uncle was in the Phillipines during WWII. My dad's family said he was never right after the war. They said he saw first hand how horrorific the Japanese could be back then. He hung himself shortly after he came home. They say the nightmares were too much for him.