JBOD drive array questions (3 drives)

LatexRat

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Howdy .. I recently bought another drive for my file server (WinXP Pro). The server consists of:

80gig boot NTFS
200gig storage NTFS
160gig storage NTFS

As for now .. They are 3 different volumes.

The drives are full, and i'd like to add another 200gb drive. The ideal setup would be to have the 2 200gb drives in raid 0, but since the first 200 is full.. I don't know of any way to add the new drive without a full wipe.

I want to keep the boot drive separate, and get the 3 storage drives into one big volume. Since both storage drives are full.. Can I add the new drive, then combine them all without loss of data?

The motherboard actually has built in raid .. Highpoint HPT372 RAID controller, though I don't believe this supports JBOD, so im considering going with a RocketRAID 133 card.

Thanks!
 

MysticLlama

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One way to do it, if you have a lot of something you could sort into a folder, i.e. MP3, or "Media", etc. is to just mount one of the new drives into a folder on one of the other drives.

A friend of mine and I on Win2k server actually had 11 drives in a server, a boot drive, then a RAID5 of 5 disks mounted as C:\Program Files (though that one was a little tircky) and another RAID5 mounted as C:\Media.

It was a pretty cool way to keep it organzied but get more drive space. Also, anything that we installed in Program Files was automatically on the RAID drive and not on the single.
 

LatexRat

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I've thought about doing this, but just having a big folder doesnt make sense.. Say that folder was for mp3s.. When you run outa space .. your screwed With jbod you could just add another drive, and you'd have more space for all folders.
 

capricorn

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My first question is: "What the hell are you doing with all that disk space?!?"

That's OK. I really don't need to know. At any rate, you are correct that you can't just add the second 200 GB drive in RAID 0 without wiping it. RAID 0 works by alternating the writing of each stripe (where the stripe size is some multiple of the sector size - the size of which has a tremendous effect on your RAID's efficiency) over the two disks. (I.E., stripe 1 goes to disk 0, stripe 2 goes to disk 1, stripe 3 goes to disk 0, etc.) So, once you've establised the RAID 0 (striped) drive set, you'd have to reload the data. (For RAID 1 - disk mirroring, you could of added a second drive and brought them both into a mirrored set and copied your old to your new without reloading. (I've actually done that.) That's the purpose of RAID 1, to write identical data to two drives. But you are trying to get more & faster space, not redundantly backed-up space.) I suppose it's possible that the controller could write every other stripe from an older drive to the new drive in the array, but I doubt that's supported. I think you also have to format the RAID drive in Win XP after it's set up, so it's probably a no-go. Maybe you could buy a third 200 GB drive, use it to hold your 200 GB of data, set up the RAID drive, load it, and return the 200 GB drive because you don't like it. (On the other hand, it sounds like you'll need in in a few weeks anyway.)

Keeping a separate (non-RAID) boot drive is fine, but you may want to move your swap file to the RAID drive. (Although file servers don't tend to have a swapping problem depending on the number of users, so maybe there's nothing to be gained there.)

My onboard Promise RAID controller supports either JBOD or RAID (0 or 1). I peeked at http://www.highpoint-tech.com/ -> Support -> General FAQ - RAID IC and found

Question:
I have no need for RAID at this time. Can the RAID controller support single drive configurations?

Answer:
Yes - RAID is optional, not required. The RAID controller is capable of supporting RAID and non-RAID drive configurations.



Question:
Can the RAID controller support multiple arrays, or single disk and RAID configurations simultaneously?

Answer:
Yes. The RAID controller can support multiple RAID arrays, as long as enough free channels are available.
The controller will also support single drives configured alongside a RAID array.

They don't mention any IC part numbers here, but it sounds like you could hold off on that card. For the Promise controller, I have to load different Win XP drivers to use RAID vs JBOD, so I don't think it can do both at the same time. I'll mention this, but I'd guess you already knew: it's best to put each drive in a RAID (0 or 1) pair on a separate IDE channel for best performance. Otherwise, the two drives are fighting for the channel (which is probably more true for RAID mirroring then RAID striping). If you run out of channels, the separate RAID card is probably the way to go.

You may want to search out articles on setting your RAID 0 stripe size. In the case of Promise onboard controllers, you can't set the stripe size unless you flash your MB with a hacked BIOS (which are plentiful for ASUS MBs). It's one of the things Promise "holds back" from MB manufaturers. It sounds like Highpoint does not do that.

-cap
 

LatexRat

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Well .. All this space is being used for archiving video and still footage I shoot over time. Every shoot brings back over 4gigs of still and many times that in video.
If this were a perfect world I would have simply buy 4 drives at a time and add them to the raid, though my budget forces me to add 1 drive at a time.

On the subject of creating a raid array to an existing drive structure.. Ex. Having a full drive and adding another one to make raid 0... I noticed something during a search on altavista about a technology that actually lets you do this . I believe either HP or Intel created this, but if anyone has any more information.. Im sure alot of people here would care to be enlightened. (expecially me)

Otherwise .. I would like to know if there are any advantages to going with a 'hardware' JBOD solution, or the dynamic disk spanning built into XP. To my knowledge.. Consumer Cards by both Promise and Highpoint perform much like software raid avalible in linux and windows. Is this correct? While I would love a scsi type IDE solution which offloads ATA from my server processor.. I definatly don't think thats in my budget
 

LatexRat

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Anyone know if theres an advantage to 3rd party adapters that support JBOD over winXP's dynamic disk spanning solution?
 

capricorn

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I just happened to be reading the May 2th issue of PC Magazine, and in their article on the new Intel Canterwood-based machines the mentioned that Intel's IC5HR supports two SATA drives in RAID 0. They also said it would be possible to ship a system with one SATA drive, add a second at a later time, and form a RAID 0 array without reloading. So, it sounds like it will become commonplace in the future. I still haven't run across anything that says it supports adding a 2nd drive and starting a RAID 0 set of disks. I can conceptually believe it's possible, but I'm not able to find it anywhere myself.

-cap
 

Falloutboy

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I know organization is nice but take it from experence its not worth it I had a 4 disk JBOD go south because of one drive I lost about 350gigs of TV eps I was not happy.
 
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