Jeep Commander 25+% off

[JEEP XK]

Originally posted by: Desslok

Originally posted by: JEEP XK

Looks like you should have checked your facts a little better before buying one of the most recalled SUVs on the market. Basically Jeeps entire line up is on that list. BIG OOPS!

Using that same link the #2 vehicle is the Toyota Sequoia @ ummm.. 533,124 vehicles. If you combine ALL of Chrysler (#9) the total comes to 50,665. Umm... How does this make the Commander the most recalled vehicle on the market? All of Chrysler in 2007 equates to 10% of one Toyota SUV?

Have trouble reading and with math, HUH?

Lets see here 1 SUV for Toyota vs 5 for Jeep.

This is because Toyota just crushed Chrysler in over all sales.
More cars out there the more they have to recall if there is a problem.

I wish you the best of luck and I hope they honor that "lifetime power train warranty"

Crushed?
Toyota total 2007 sales = 2,620,825 vehicles
Crysler total 2007 sales = 2,076,650 vehicles
OK so sales over Chrysler = 21% or roughly 544,175 cars.

So with your argument above there should only be a 21% increase in recalls. My math indicates this number should be a bit lower then 533,124 vehicles. In fact the number should be closer to 61,305.

http://www.reuters.com/article...3-Jan-2008+PRN20080103

http://www.reuters.com/article...3-Jan-2008+PRN20080103

 

[imported_Reflex]

Originally posted by: BudAshes

Originally posted by: JEEP XK

Originally posted by: rugby
So I guess the rules for threadcrapping don't apply to this thread?

I was wondering the same thing... I guess the mod's do not care? I may be a fickin' newbie on this forum but this type of behavior would not be tolerated on other sites I have been associated with for 10+ years.

Considering this forum only gets a few new topics a day there is lots of room for discussion.

Still no excuse for thread crapping.

 

[deepinya]

Will you guys stfu and put your tampons in?

My God there isnt a thread on here that doesnt get crapped on.

intel/amd
ati/nvidia
american/import

I guess the mods dont give a crap.

/rant

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: JEEP XK
How do I post a picture? One of the local dealers I was emailing just sent me an additional $2000 bonus off if I owned a previous Crysler vehicle. I was going to post it but I cannot figure out how.

Bummer, always a better deal after the fact...

:Q
I would be trading in a Chrysler if I went for this deal. I wouldn't mind you emailing that to me at the address in my profile or PMing it to me.
We cannot embed pics here, but we can post links, I could upload it to bbzzdd.

 

[JEEP XK]

nakedfrog - you have mail.

Link to email

 

[JEEP XK]

Also an additional $500 for armed forces personnel!

http://www.jeep.com/en/heroes/details/

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: JEEP XK
nakedfrog - you have mail.

Link to email

Thanks

 

[JEEP XK]

Anyone work this deal yet?

 

[JWade]

he did not exceed a 500 pound tongue weight, how can a 4 wheeler and trailer exceed a 500 pound tongue weight? I asked him a little more clarification on his problem, he said the rubicon has a floating rear end, and total tow weight is 500 pounds, even with the tow package, not 500 pounds tongue weight, 500 pounds total. He exceeded that obviously when he towed his 4 wheeler and trailer, his problem he said was he said what he did that caused the problem. Warranty is void when you do something that exceeds the limits of something, he did go all the way up to Chrysler (called above the dealership). He got this from Chrysler higher ups.

for voiding the warranty, it would be like if you ran your engine out of oil and it seized up. You didnt keep it filled like you where suppose to, so the repairs would not be covered under the warranty. He towed more than 500 pounds (again NOT 500 pound tongue weight) which is over the towing specs of his rubicon. Oh, he does have all the paperwork showing this too by the way, Chrysler even faxed him the stuff about it only towing 500 pounds max (again NOT 500 pound tongue weight).

 

[JEEP XK]

JWade,

So the links above to the Jeep web site explaining that the Rubicon has a 2000Lbs towing capacity are false advertisement? Clearly listed on the web for everyone to see? A multi billion dollar company would be setting themselves up for a class action law suit. It is not that I do not believe you, I am having a hard time understanding why it is so plainly listed that it can tow over 4 times that weight you have mentioned. Does not compute...

 

[JBT]

Originally posted by: JEEP XK

Originally posted by: Desslok

Originally posted by: JEEP XK

Looks like you should have checked your facts a little better before buying one of the most recalled SUVs on the market. Basically Jeeps entire line up is on that list. BIG OOPS!

Using that same link the #2 vehicle is the Toyota Sequoia @ ummm.. 533,124 vehicles. If you combine ALL of Chrysler (#9) the total comes to 50,665. Umm... How does this make the Commander the most recalled vehicle on the market? All of Chrysler in 2007 equates to 10% of one Toyota SUV?

Have trouble reading and with math, HUH?

Lets see here 1 SUV for Toyota vs 5 for Jeep.

This is because Toyota just crushed Chrysler in over all sales.
More cars out there the more they have to recall if there is a problem.

I wish you the best of luck and I hope they honor that "lifetime power train warranty"

Crushed?
Toyota total 2007 sales = 2,620,825 vehicles
Crysler total 2007 sales = 2,076,650 vehicles
OK so sales over Chrysler = 21% or roughly 544,175 cars.

So with your argument above there should only be a 21% increase in recalls. My math indicates this number should be a bit lower then 533,124 vehicles. In fact the number should be closer to 61,305.

http://www.reuters.com/article...3-Jan-2008+PRN20080103

http://www.reuters.com/article...3-Jan-2008+PRN20080103

Just wondering if you saw the vehicle right after the Toyota Sequoia was a Jeep Liberty at #3 with ~149K recalls???



http://images.businessweek.com...13_recall/source/4.htm

Then again at #6 the Dodge Nitro and Jeep Wrangler with 80K?
http://images.businessweek.com...13_recall/source/7.htm

 

[Smokie]

I owned two jeeps in the past and would never buy another. Worst customer service.

 

[Vogel515]

Anyone else feel like social responsibility and responsibility for ones own actions have been completely lost?

 

[ajf3]

The Commander isn't really that bad if you need a 7 or 8 person vehicle - the more politically correct minivan type cars don't really get that much better mileage - plus you get the additional benefit of 4wd and a lot more hauling capability.

Commander 14 / 19
Nissan Quest 16 / 24
Toyota Sienna 17/23

In oil used per person for a given distance it may be greener than an Accord.

 

[imported_Reflex]

Originally posted by: JWade
he did not exceed a 500 pound tongue weight, how can a 4 wheeler and trailer exceed a 500 pound tongue weight? I asked him a little more clarification on his problem, he said the rubicon has a floating rear end, and total tow weight is 500 pounds, even with the tow package, not 500 pounds tongue weight, 500 pounds total. He exceeded that obviously when he towed his 4 wheeler and trailer, his problem he said was he said what he did that caused the problem. Warranty is void when you do something that exceeds the limits of something, he did go all the way up to Chrysler (called above the dealership). He got this from Chrysler higher ups.

for voiding the warranty, it would be like if you ran your engine out of oil and it seized up. You didnt keep it filled like you where suppose to, so the repairs would not be covered under the warranty. He towed more than 500 pounds (again NOT 500 pound tongue weight) which is over the towing specs of his rubicon. Oh, he does have all the paperwork showing this too by the way, Chrysler even faxed him the stuff about it only towing 500 pounds max (again NOT 500 pound tongue weight).

I'd want to see that paperwork, and he should see a lawyer ASAP. My fiance's father is a Chrysler engineer/exec and has been for over 30 years, I just asked him about this and he looked into it. Its flat out false. Either the dealer is scamming him or someone at Chrysler is very very mixed up. He has a lawsuit if he's telling the truth, either against the dealer or Chrysler, and he needs to pursue it with damages. The only answer her father could come up with was the tongue weight issue, the thing to keep in mind is that Wranglers are *designed* to handle pulling a utility trailer with off road vehicles, since thats a very common purpose for them.

He also pointed out that it would be nearly impossible to determine that he had pulled excessive weight even if he had, there is no sensor that measures the weight behind the vehicle. The only way anyone would really know is if he pulled into the dealer pulling a 30' trailer or something.

 

[Changoboy]

Too many people are looking at buying cars as getting a deal at best buy or something. Forget rebates and incentives and such. The sticker isn't the sticker. They can only sell a car for whatever consumers are willing to pay. Remember what Chrysler (ha ha ha) did with the PT Cruiser? You had a 5k to 8k mark up on them because they were "
soo very cool". Now you can't throw a dead cat without hitting one and the resale is crap. I've paid just above and just below invoice on my last few cars this decade. Even the "soo very cool" ones. Here is how to ignore the rebates and incentive "hype" and get a car at a good value and stick it back at the greedy lying auto dealers. First, Edmunds to do your homework. Use TMV as a benchmark. Then you hit up your local dealers, get in a test drive and get some more quotes (keep in mind TMV). They know what their immediate competitors are doing and won't budge that much at first. Then you hit up dealers in the nearest metro area or so (I'm between LA and SF, but prefer SF/Silicon Valley). Google for email and copy/paste something like "I live in X and my local dealers say X for X vehicle in X or X color with X package(s). Do you have anything I would like and what can you do to make me drive over to see you?". I have gotten better and can work in my trade, but without is easier. You just say X dealer quoted you X$ on your trade but you would like X$ (have to be fairly reasonable here). Half will bite, a quarter will not even read it but send you spam, and the other half will ignore you or flounder in memorized banter. That half you work. Email "X dealer says X$ (the now better price), what can you do?". Keep that up and factor in the trade deal if possible. Trades unseen are very YMMV and tricky but I've gotten 1.5k more by simply baiting and lying (wow, learned that trick from these dealers). Anyway, the price will drop and the dealers slowly drop out, just like poker and they fold. You will be left with 2 or 3 that are the best you can do. Pick the lowest and tell the other(s) that you are going with X dealer. He will either agree or give you another big discount. There you is you lucky bastard! Oh, and don't let the closer(s) sell you the extended warranty, $200 alarm for a grand or window etching, etc. These are all scams! Your car insurance probably has a program that is waaaay cheaper for warranty's. My last purchase was a 2008 Toyota FJ Cruiser with 4X4, roof rack and running boards and well equipped. MSRP was $33.3 and I got the price down to $24.8 and my trade was given more, about $500 below KB! That is very good for a trade. Average offer is "fair" condition wholesale dealer trade. They usually try to hose you big time here and I've seen people get sooo screwed. Car before that I got under invoice and more than my trade was worth (well, as a trade). Before that, I got it for invoice but sold my trade privately instead. How did I do it? Well I've purchased a few cars in my time. I also have sold cars (albeit briefly), from new BMW's to used pieces of crap. I've seen the deals and a "grand ballroom" BMW dealership and a "pot lot" Bar None selling crappy cars both use similar tricks to get money out of you. Got a good price? Well they will bite off your trade to screw you. I've seen them screw people in the front AND back of a deal. This is a business transaction. Buying a car isn't courting a spouse, not personal and remember, YOU are the boss and not them. The car salesman is getting screwed from the dealer already. The dealer won't sell you a car for a loss (yes, they will try to tell you they are). Weber BMW in Fresno gave a grandma $2.5k for her Infinity G20. Turned around and sold it for $9k, it was mint! She paid full price for her 3 series too. She got hosed! Think about it. Save your money and take control!

 

[Changoboy]

Oh, and to be fair, Jeep does have a bad rep for selling turds, especially in the 90's. Today, they do have some turds still, but also have some very off road worthy vehicles. Some if not many of their competitors sell off road vehicles that should stay on the street. Some are imports, some are not. Best way to not get a turd is to get a good deal and take care of it!

 

[TallPilot]

How about I save 100%, and not buy a new vehicle

 

[esquared]

Many of you are correct and this thread should have been either locked or a few warnings sent out to the threadcrappers. Now threadcrapping is allowed with a person sharing their own personal experiences with a deal. If not, and it's just speculation or just bias or BS, move on and post in another thread.

I will allow this thread to stay open providing from now on there is just talk about the deal.
Next threadcrapper gets a vacation, real simple. Again, I apologize for letting this thread get too far out of hand.

esquared
Anandtech Senior Moderator

 

[pclstyle]

Originally posted by: datobin1

Don't worry they give you a Lifetime warranty
http://www.jeep.com/en/lifetime_powertrain_warranty/
I believe they are the first in the industry to offer this.

Now for the gas thing....
Look at it this way, this thing can haul twice the people of a car, so we'll just double its mileage to get 28/40 MPG. That?s up there with a Mini.

Just don't drive it with fewer than 6 people and even the tree huggers can't complain.

Lifetime warranty on powertrain? If only that policy had been in effect a few years ago when my beloved wrangler died on me. I could still be banging on offroad trails for years to come

 

[pclstyle]

Originally posted by: Changoboy
Too many people are looking at buying cars as getting a deal at best buy or something. Forget rebates and incentives and such. The sticker isn't the sticker. They can only sell a car for whatever consumers are willing to pay. Remember what Chrysler (ha ha ha) did with the PT Cruiser? You had a 5k to 8k mark up on them because they were "
soo very cool". Now you can't throw a dead cat without hitting one and the resale is crap. I've paid just above and just below invoice on my last few cars this decade. Even the "soo very cool" ones. Here is how to ignore the rebates and incentive "hype" and get a car at a good value and stick it back at the greedy lying auto dealers. First, Edmunds to do your homework. Use TMV as a benchmark. Then you hit up your local dealers, get in a test drive and get some more quotes (keep in mind TMV). They know what their immediate competitors are doing and won't budge that much at first. Then you hit up dealers in the nearest metro area or so (I'm between LA and SF, but prefer SF/Silicon Valley). Google for email and copy/paste something like "I live in X and my local dealers say X for X vehicle in X or X color with X package(s). Do you have anything I would like and what can you do to make me drive over to see you?". I have gotten better and can work in my trade, but without is easier. You just say X dealer quoted you X$ on your trade but you would like X$ (have to be fairly reasonable here). Half will bite, a quarter will not even read it but send you spam, and the other half will ignore you or flounder in memorized banter. That half you work. Email "X dealer says X$ (the now better price), what can you do?". Keep that up and factor in the trade deal if possible. Trades unseen are very YMMV and tricky but I've gotten 1.5k more by simply baiting and lying (wow, learned that trick from these dealers). Anyway, the price will drop and the dealers slowly drop out, just like poker and they fold. You will be left with 2 or 3 that are the best you can do. Pick the lowest and tell the other(s) that you are going with X dealer. He will either agree or give you another big discount. There you is you lucky bastard! Oh, and don't let the closer(s) sell you the extended warranty, $200 alarm for a grand or window etching, etc. These are all scams! Your car insurance probably has a program that is waaaay cheaper for warranty's. My last purchase was a 2008 Toyota FJ Cruiser with 4X4, roof rack and running boards and well equipped. MSRP was $33.3 and I got the price down to $24.8 and my trade was given more, about $500 below KB! That is very good for a trade. Average offer is "fair" condition wholesale dealer trade. They usually try to hose you big time here and I've seen people get sooo screwed. Car before that I got under invoice and more than my trade was worth (well, as a trade). Before that, I got it for invoice but sold my trade privately instead. How did I do it? Well I've purchased a few cars in my time. I also have sold cars (albeit briefly), from new BMW's to used pieces of crap. I've seen the deals and a "grand ballroom" BMW dealership and a "pot lot" Bar None selling crappy cars both use similar tricks to get money out of you. Got a good price? Well they will bite off your trade to screw you. I've seen them screw people in the front AND back of a deal. This is a business transaction. Buying a car isn't courting a spouse, not personal and remember, YOU are the boss and not them. The car salesman is getting screwed from the dealer already. The dealer won't sell you a car for a loss (yes, they will try to tell you they are). Weber BMW in Fresno gave a grandma $2.5k for her Infinity G20. Turned around and sold it for $9k, it was mint! She paid full price for her 3 series too. She got hosed! Think about it. Save your money and take control!

Actually a good post, but using paragraphs would make it infinitely more effective (and easier for our poor eyes to read).

 

[Lurker1]

To bring it back on topic. Jeep Wranglers used to be worth more the minute you drove them off the lot (don't know about today) The 4.0L six was pretty much guaranteed for 200K. Yeah, the vehicles don't have the fit and finish of a Toyota or one of the premium brands. They also don't cost as much.

As for gas mileage, 17+ is pretty good for a SUV. My V8 4Runner hits 19. My BMW 22. My Pontiac Grand Prix (V6)? 17. (All in city)

So I'd say it's definitely worth a look if you're in the market. My reason for going with the 4Runner instead was room - 3 chows don't fit in the back easily in the Jeeps when I was looking to purchase one a few years ago.

 

[JEEP XK]

Funny thing is that the more I drive (just about 1K miles now) the better gas mileage I am getting. I am now averaging 17.7 in the real time trip computer.

 

[Changoboy]

Your car will "break in" and it will be better. I've heard of that and experienced it with my Mazda 3.

 

[Changoboy]

Sorry pclstyle, you are right. I think it hurts my eyes looking back at it, lol. I gots some verbal diarrhea, lol!