Jeffrey Epstein Commits Suicide at Manhattan Jail

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Jhhnn

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note: if the tape from the camera pointed at his cell is missing, there must have been a camera pointed at his cell



Rather convenient the Cameras failed twice in a row like that.



Interesting how his neck was coated with blood, but the bed sheet he hung himself with was pristine and clean. Also interesting on how it did not slide up his neck after he hung himself with it.

So there wasn't a camera pointed right at him but rather down the hall outside his cell. And now you have another claim to attempt to substantiate.
 

cytg111

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Interesting how his neck was coated with blood, but the bed sheet he hung himself with was pristine and clean. Also interesting on how it did not slide up his neck after he hung himself with it.

It's all bullshit of the conspiracy theory kind.

No. You are in a state of "How the fuck can I possibly know".

Did Tyson really rape that woman?
Was Michael Jackson really a pedo?
OJ?
JFK?
Based on coverage, quality of information, motives involved, you simply cannot put a stamp on it and say case closed.

Then time passes.

Some new evidence comes up that asserts 0 or 1. Then one of you will stand up and say "SEE I TOLD YOU SO, I KNEW IT" feeling vindicated
- While in THIS reality you were the 1 out of 100.000 prophets that happened to get it right.

Meh.
 

Jhhnn

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No. You are in a state of "How the fuck can I possibly know".

Did Tyson really rape that woman?
Was Michael Jackson really a pedo?
OJ?
JFK?
Based on coverage, quality of information, motives involved, you simply cannot put a stamp on it and say case closed.

Then time passes.

Some new evidence comes up that asserts 0 or 1. Then one of you will stand up and say "SEE I TOLD YOU SO, I KNEW IT" feeling vindicated
- While in THIS reality you were the 1 out of 100.000 prophets that happened to get it right.

Meh.

Fap away on that conspiracy theory nonsense. Add some whataboutism.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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No. You are in a state of "How the fuck can I possibly know".

Did Tyson really rape that woman?
Was Michael Jackson really a pedo?
OJ?
JFK?
Based on coverage, quality of information, motives involved, you simply cannot put a stamp on it and say case closed.

Then time passes.

Some new evidence comes up that asserts 0 or 1. Then one of you will stand up and say "SEE I TOLD YOU SO, I KNEW IT" feeling vindicated
- While in THIS reality you were the 1 out of 100.000 prophets that happened to get it right.

Meh.

Add:

Was 9/11 an inside job?
Were there ever really FEMA camps?
Did chemtrails turn the frogs gay?

Whether you get something right or not is not entirely a matter of luck. You make judgments based on available evidence. The fact you theoretically could be proven wrong in the future is irrelevant.

In this case, I see nothing particularly suspicious or out of the ordinary. One camera doesn't work or gets accidentally erased while other cameras were functioning. A prison guard with a tedious, do nothing job falls asleep. This kind of incompetence is the norm in human endeavor.

Have you gone completely batshit?
 
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Add:

Was 9/11 an inside job?
Were there ever really FEMA camps?
Did chemtrails turn the frogs gay?

Whether you get something right or not is not entirely a matter of luck. You make judgments based on available evidence. The fact you theoretically could be proven wrong in the future is irrelevant.

In this case, I see nothing particularly suspicious or out of the ordinary. One camera doesn't work or gets accidentally erased while other cameras were functioning. A prison guard with a tedious, do nothing job falls asleep. This kind of incompetence is the norm in human endeavor.

Have you gone completely batshit?
It's crazy that some people think prison guards are at some pinnacle of responsibility when it comes to their jobs.
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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It's crazy that some people think prison guards are at some pinnacle of responsibility when it comes to their jobs.

Not just prison guards. A core fallacy of virtually all conspiracy theories is what I call the "rational actor fallacy." When I used to debate Holocaust deniers, for example, they would argue over a construction blueprint of gas chambers at Auschwitz, saying that the Germans would never have designed it that way because it is inefficient compared to some theoretically better design. They refuse to accept that humans are imperfect, that incompetence and inefficiency are the rule, not the exception.

They are all ignoring the truism behind Hanlon's Razor, which is: never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.
 
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cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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Add:

Was 9/11 an inside job?
Were there ever really FEMA camps?
Did chemtrails turn the frogs gay?

Whether you get something right or not is not entirely a matter of luck. You make judgments based on available evidence. The fact you theoretically could be proven wrong in the future is irrelevant.

In this case, I see nothing particularly suspicious or out of the ordinary. One camera doesn't work or gets accidentally erased while other cameras were functioning. A prison guard with a tedious, do nothing job falls asleep. This kind of incompetence is the norm in human endeavor.

Have you gone completely batshit?

If you think reserving "2% maybe" in the case of Epsteins suicide is completely batshit, then we're just on different sides of that assessment. So no, I havent "gone" completely batshit.. As it may be, I always was. I baffles me a little bit cause I regard most of you as rational dudes.. maybe it is operating in more than 10 shades of grey that is at the core here, alas, 10 shades of grey is still better than black or white. Oh well.
 
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woolfe9998

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If you think reserving "2% maybe" in the case of Epsteins suicide is completely batshit, then we're just on different sides of that assessment. So no, I havent "gone" completely batshit.. As it may be, I always was. I baffles me a little bit cause I regard most of you as rational dudes.. maybe it is operating in more than 10 shades of grey that is at the core here, alas, 10 shades of grey is still better than black or white. Oh well.

If there were functioning cameras outside of Epstein's cell, and evidently there were, says WaPo and numerous other outlets, then it's case closed. In order for this to have been a homicide rather than a suicide, someone would have to have gone in to Epstein's cell during the relevant time period. All the camera footage has been reviewed by DoJ, both under Trump and now Biden. Had someone gone into that cell we would have heard about it by now.
 

cytg111

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If there were functioning cameras outside of Epstein's cell, and evidently there were, says WaPo and numerous other outlets, then it's case closed. In order for this to have been a homicide rather than a suicide, someone would have to have gone in to Epstein's cell during the relevant time period. All the camera footage has been reviewed by DoJ, both under Trump and now Biden. Had someone gone into that cell we would have heard about it by now.
Copy that. I am not saying someone ninja'ed in and snapped his neck, but I am not ruling out that some engineered it so that he had opportunity to make quick of it himself. Still, as I've said before on here, Epstein was a super smart dude, if some-one would be able to engineer his own suicide even under "watch" it was probably him. Still. Though. I am keeping that door open.
 

Meghan54

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Copy that. I am not saying someone ninja'ed in and snapped his neck, but I am not ruling out that some engineered it so that he had opportunity to make quick of it himself. Still, as I've said before on here, Epstein was a super smart dude, if some-one would be able to engineer his own suicide even under "watch" it was probably him. Still. Though. I am keeping that door open.

So, we’re supposed to be looking for where Tom Cruise and his IMF team jacked into the video feeds and substituted a recorded loop of an empty jail cell hallway to hide Cruise or one of his confederates slinking into Epstein’s cell and offing him. Gotcha.
 
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It's crazy that some people think prison guards are at some pinnacle of responsibility when it comes to their jobs.

Not sleeping and doing your job to some degree (e.g. monitor and sign-off that you monitored the cells every 30/60/90 minutes or whatever it is) is the pinnacle of responsibility?
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
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So, we’re supposed to be looking for where Tom Cruise and his IMF team jacked into the video feeds and substituted a recorded loop of an empty jail cell hallway to hide Cruise or one of his confederates slinking into Epstein’s cell and offing him. Gotcha.

To be fair, I think his current theory is that Epstein's death was a suicide, but someone, perhaps Epstein himself, paid the guards to not check in on him so that he could pull it off and not be saved by timely medical intervention.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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So, we’re supposed to be looking for where Tom Cruise and his IMF team jacked into the video feeds and substituted a recorded loop of an empty jail cell hallway to hide Cruise or one of his confederates slinking into Epstein’s cell and offing him. Gotcha.

Yes. That. OR someone slipped a guard 2 dollars to take a nap. This is getting ridiculous.
-Epstein likely had the goods on all the super rich deviants.
-Dies in lockup. On suicide watch (supposed to be).
-Secret Barr meeting.
-Camera fails
-Guards be dozing off.
I am gonna reserve my damned 2%, and if you guys dont? Ill think a little less of you... not much, but a little .
 

woolfe9998

Lifer
Apr 8, 2013
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Yes. That. OR someone slipped a guard 2 dollars to take a nap. This is getting ridiculous.
-Epstein likely had the goods on all the super rich deviants.
-Dies in lockup. On suicide watch (supposed to be).
-Secret Barr meeting.
-Camera fails
-Guards be dozing off.
I am gonna reserve my damned 2%, and if you guys dont? Ill think a little less of you... not much, but a little .

What do you mean by "reserve my 2%?"
 

cytg111

Lifer
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What do you mean by "reserve my 2%?"
That I reserve 2%, give or take, that there is more to this suicide than meets eye. In this sample space one possibility could be that he was given an incentive to do him self in - and given the opportunity to do so.
 

Meghan54

Lifer
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That I reserve 2%, give or take, that there is more to this suicide than meets eye. In this sample space one possibility could be that he was given an incentive to do him self in - and given the opportunity to do so.

There may be indeed more to this than we know, but wild rampant speculation is just rabbit holing…like the stupidity I posted previously.
C’est la vie.
 
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zzyzxroad

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note: if the tape from the camera pointed at his cell is missing, there must have been a camera pointed at his cell



Rather convenient the Cameras failed twice in a row like that.



Interesting how his neck was coated with blood, but the bed sheet he hung himself with was pristine and clean. Also interesting on how it did not slide up his neck after he hung himself with it.
I think there is a lot of confusion about footage.

"Rather convenient the Cameras failed twice in a row like that."

This was not form the night he died. There were no camera issues or missing footage from the night he died. Our former AG review the footage form the nigh he died and concluded no foul play. Is the running theory that Barr was involved? As massive a POS as Barr is, that still seems far fetched.
 
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Jhhnn

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There may be indeed more to this than we know, but wild rampant speculation is just rabbit holing…like the stupidity I posted previously.
C’est la vie.

It''s called flooding the zone with shit.
To be fair, I think his current theory is that Epstein's death was a suicide, but someone, perhaps Epstein himself, paid the guards to not check in on him so that he could pull it off and not be saved by timely medical intervention.

Pure conjecture of the motivated reasoning kind.
 

dank69

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I think there is a lot of confusion about footage.

"Rather convenient the Cameras failed twice in a row like that."

This was not form the night he died. There were no camera issues or missing footage from the night he died. Our former AG review the footage form the nigh he died and concluded no foul play. Is the running theory that Barr was involved? As massive a POS as Barr is, that still seems far fetched.
Honestly Barr being involved is the least far-fetched part of the whole thing.
 

zzyzxroad

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Honestly Barr being involved is the least far-fetched part of the whole thing.
Well that tells you how far-fetched other theories are. As far as I can tell Barr and Epstein had not association. If Barr was not directly in jeopardy form Epstein squealing, I can't imagine he would risk losing his freedom in a plot to off him. While that scenario isn't impossible, it is highly unlikely.
 
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