Jenny Mccarthy

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Codewiz
You do know that it takes about two weeks for your body to build immunities when you get a vaccination. So it is possible to actually get the flu but it isn't caused by the shot.

Right. When did I say otherwise

Too lazy to copypasta a few dozen quotes.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
You are NOT getting the flu from a flu vaccine, dumbass, you're getting a fever from one of many possible reasons.

Who cares how I get it? It's really quite simple. Lets put this in simpler terms for those struggling to keep up.

IF get_flu_shot THEN get_flu
IF don't_get_flu_shot THEN don't_get_flu

That's just how it is for many people. Who gives a giant cluster fuck whether there's another step in there? I get the flu when I get flu shots. Period. If you can't understand that or can't handle that, that's not my problem. If you're just going to sit there and call me a liar, do yourself a favor and save the TCP overhead for something more agreeable to the both of us.

I give a giant cluster fuck, fuckwad. You're mistaking a weak ass fever for the flu. If you're not going to look at scientific evidence and continue going with your "mommy feelings" or "gut instinct" like the mindless bimbo for whom this thread is named, then be my guest.

10 IF Nik_properly_defines_flu THEN GOTO20 NOT GOTO30
20 Haha, fat chance
30 Piss off

Okay, fine. You want me to go back and change all of my posts to "became ill" so as to satisfy your pedantic argument?

I get sick after every flu shot. If I don't get a flu shot, I don't get sick. Why would I bother getting a flu shot if I'm not going to get sick in the first place?

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Codewiz
You do know that it takes about two weeks for your body to build immunities when you get a vaccination. So it is possible to actually get the flu but it isn't caused by the shot.

Right. When did I say otherwise

Too lazy to copypasta a few dozen quotes.

Please copy / paste where I've said anything regarding incubation period for vaccinations.

Please copy / paste where I've said that it's impossible to get the flu without getting a flu shot.


Oh, and if I have to go this far, I just know some other stupid bastard is going to come in here just to try being an even bigger cock than the rest of you. May as well throw in a request to copy / paste where I've said that getting a shot guarantees everyone getting the flu or getting sick at all.

 

[mrSHEiK124]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
You are NOT getting the flu from a flu vaccine, dumbass, you're getting a fever from one of many possible reasons.

Who cares how I get it? It's really quite simple. Lets put this in simpler terms for those struggling to keep up.

IF get_flu_shot THEN get_flu
IF don't_get_flu_shot THEN don't_get_flu

That's just how it is for many people. Who gives a giant cluster fuck whether there's another step in there? I get the flu when I get flu shots. Period. If you can't understand that or can't handle that, that's not my problem. If you're just going to sit there and call me a liar, do yourself a favor and save the TCP overhead for something more agreeable to the both of us.

I give a giant cluster fuck, fuckwad. You're mistaking a weak ass fever for the flu. If you're not going to look at scientific evidence and continue going with your "mommy feelings" or "gut instinct" like the mindless bimbo for whom this thread is named, then be my guest.

10 IF Nik_properly_defines_flu THEN GOTO20 NOT GOTO30
20 Haha, fat chance
30 Piss off

Okay, fine. You want me to go back and change all of my posts to "became ill" so as to satisfy your pedantic argument?

I get sick after every flu shot. If I don't get a flu shot, I don't get sick. Why would I bother getting a flu shot if I'm not going to get sick in the first place?

Because, your correlations do not imply causation. You have an adverse immune reaction to the flu shot, maybe because you're a pansy, who knows. You're also lucky enough to not get the flu, year after year. Hooray for Zoidberg, you're lucky. Those aren't sufficient enough to come to the conclusions you're making.

Last year I didn't get the flu shot, I didn't get sick.
Year before that, I didn't get the flu shot, I got sick, I was out for 10 days.
2 years before that, I did get the shot, my arm was sore for a day or two, EVERYONE in my household got the flu, and I did not.

It's luck of the draw.

 

[mcmilljb]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: mcmilljb
You think everyone coughing has the same disease or illness? What about a fever?

Now shut up and don't breed.

Wow. When did I say that every disease was the same? What the fuck are you talking about

Read the implicit message, "you probably didn't get the damn flu." Plus I said in an earlier post the most likely reason you can still get the flu after a shot. You can happen to get a strain that wasn't in your vaccine. It happens, but it's uncommon. Plus I don't think people really have the flu as often as they would like to think. If you're sick for just a few days, you didn't get the damn flu.

 

[Codewiz]

It is obvious that Nik has zero concept that correlation != causation....

It is a waste arguing any further with this ignorant fool.....

 

[olds]

Originally posted by: Dumac
I didn't think she wanted to rid the world of vaccines...

I just thought she wanted hefty regulations about what is actually in them and the removal of some archaic ingredients that aren't needed based on current scientific knowledge.

That's what I thoght and I'd still hit it.

 

[sandorski]

The US seems to be decaying from within. The more Creationism/ID, this BS, and other similarly ill conceived issues continue to persist and propogate, the closer the US comes to the edge of Fail.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Because, your correlations do not imply causation. You have an adverse immune reaction to the flu shot, maybe because you're a pansy, who knows. You're also lucky enough to not get the flu, year after year. Hooray for Zoidberg, you're lucky. Those aren't sufficient enough to come to the conclusions you're making.

Last year I didn't get the flu shot, I didn't get sick.
Year before that, I didn't get the flu shot, I got sick, I was out for 10 days.
2 years before that, I did get the shot, my arm was sore for a day or two, EVERYONE in my household got the flu, and I did not.

It's luck of the draw.

My experiences do draw a correlation between getting the shot and getting sick, whether your experiences correlate the two or not.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: mcmilljb
If you're sick for just a few days, you didn't get the damn flu.

Why would a doctor tell you that you've got a 24-hour flu

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124
Because, your correlations do not imply causation. You have an adverse immune reaction to the flu shot, maybe because you're a pansy, who knows. You're also lucky enough to not get the flu, year after year. Hooray for Zoidberg, you're lucky. Those aren't sufficient enough to come to the conclusions you're making.

Last year I didn't get the flu shot, I didn't get sick.
Year before that, I didn't get the flu shot, I got sick, I was out for 10 days.
2 years before that, I did get the shot, my arm was sore for a day or two, EVERYONE in my household got the flu, and I did not.

It's luck of the draw.

My experiences do draw a correlation between getting the shot and getting sick, whether your experiences correlate the two or not.

Thank gawd that you're a statistically significant sample size. What else would we do in testing anecdotal evidence if you weren't around?

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: Dumac
I didn't think she wanted to rid the world of vaccines...

I just thought she wanted hefty regulations about what is actually in them and the removal of some archaic ingredients that aren't needed based on current scientific knowledge.

That's what I thoght and I'd still hit it.

I thought that as well but I watched the larry king interview with her and it seems she is more nuts then I thought.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Thank gawd that you're a statistically significant sample size. What else would we do in testing anecdotal evidence if you weren't around?

If'n the good Lord seen fit ta' give me a brain so's I could understand what ya just said there feller, I might'n be a slight offended at'cher comment!

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: mcmilljb
If you're sick for just a few days, you didn't get the damn flu.

Why would a doctor tell you that you've got a 24-hour flu

HILARIOUS. No such thing as the 24 hour flu. You were probably arguing with your doctor saying you had it. He just said whatever would shut you up.

No such thing......

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: mcmilljb
If you're sick for just a few days, you didn't get the damn flu.

Why would a doctor tell you that you've got a 24-hour flu

HILARIOUS. No such thing as the 24 hour flu. You were probably arguing with your doctor saying you had it. He just said whatever would shut you up.

No such thing......

I don't argue with my doc. I only argue with asshats on internet forums who like to argue just as much as I do. :roll:

Admittedly, I didn't even bother reading the article. However, this is one of many of these.

Now, for the shit-disturbing knob gobbles who I just know are going to come pointing fingers and screaming at any little dig they can find in anything I type because they have nothing better to do on a Sunday morning than to try finding new and creative ways to be an asshole, this isn't what my doc said I had after getting shots.

For those who wish to carry on this conversation like normal human beings, it's just used as an example for my not being the only person on the planet that incorrectly describes the flu. Maybe it's like a coke versus pop versus soda thing I dunno. All I know is, me getting shot = me getting sick while me no get shot = me no get sick. I always make the easy choice of not getting a shot and not getting sick at all

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Codewiz
What pisses me off most is that these FVCKERS don't realize they are putting vaccinated children at risk. They don't understand that vaccinations don't always take by the kids they are given to. BUT those kids are typically protected because of the herd vaccination rates are so high that the spread of the disease never happens.

Now we have all these fvckers not vaccinating their children and it won't just be their kids that get sick. If enough of these fvckers don't vaccinate their children there will be INNOCENTS that are harmed out of these fvckers IGNORANCE.

I just had my first child in Novermber. I did A LOT of research prior to my child being born. There are so many studies out there showing that there is ZERO, NADDA, ZIP correlation between vaccinations and autism. You want to talk about allergies, we are just now(within the past 10 years) getting a good grip on allergies. Guess what? A new study about milk allergies(not lactose intolerance) showed it was actually BETTER to expose the kids to milk at low doses over time and the allergy went away as long as the milk continued to be consumed. Guess what that means? The whole avoid the allergen at all cost method over the past 30 years has been the wrong approach. That is why we have more people with allergies. How many children that grew up on a farm had animal allergies? None because they were raised with animals.

Yep my first is due in 2 months. This being my first and some other issues, bad doctors, I have been worried and looking up every thing I can find. Like SIDS, breast milk VS formula, Vaccines, etc... and I have yuet to find any real peer reviewed independent studies saying to NOT get your kid vacinated.

 

[Born2bwire]

Originally posted by: tranceport

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Dacalo
She does have some valid points. It's crazy how many vaccinations kids go through these days compared to what I went through (I am 29). Some of doctors I have talked to indicated that increase in vaccination is causing a lot of side effects, such as allergy (skin, respiratory).

Oh really? Please show me any independent study that backs that up?

I have read MANY studies and I have yet to find one that shows vaccines have any real long-term negative effects.
I am about to have my fist child in a couple months and thought there may be some truth to the autism and vaccines and other negative effects since it gets some much coverage. As such I have read as many peer reviewed independent studies as I can find and they all cannot connect vaccines to negative side effects such as autism. All I find is idiots trying to connect 2 things together that are not linked by any science.

You might check into the contents of some vaccines. I've seen some that have mercury, lead, aluminum, sodium borate, soldium chloride, formaldehyde. This is the primary reason it seems most try to avoid vaccines. The fear of the ingredients. The concern of the people choosing not to vaccinate is that these ingredients as well as others may cause currently unknown side effects. These side effects may be known illneses.

I agree completely that vaccines are needed to combat serious diseases. I am in the USA and we are soooo lucky to have these vaccines readily available. Most of our population has never and probably will never see these diseases in person. This is one reason that some of our population is able to chose not to vaccinate, because the diseases are not present in our country.

When I was a child I was vaccinated up until I was about 6. I do not remember any additional vaccinations after that. My wife was in the military, she has had dozens via the assembly line air guns shots.

I think the idea that most people who are choosing not to vaccinate is:
1. Disease not spreading in population - low risk of infection.
2. They will notice the symptoms if infected.
3. The doctor will correctly diagnose in time.
4. The doctor will treat the disease if needed
5. Natural immunity will be gained if possible.

My $0.02 far.

Those are horrible reasons not to choose to vaccinate. Not all vaccines are 100% effective and every person that does not get vaccinated puts everyone at risk, vaccinated or not. If too many people do not get vaccinated then they put at risk the entire community to an outbreak.

 

[Codewiz]

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Codewiz
What pisses me off most is that these FVCKERS don't realize they are putting vaccinated children at risk. They don't understand that vaccinations don't always take by the kids they are given to. BUT those kids are typically protected because of the herd vaccination rates are so high that the spread of the disease never happens.

Now we have all these fvckers not vaccinating their children and it won't just be their kids that get sick. If enough of these fvckers don't vaccinate their children there will be INNOCENTS that are harmed out of these fvckers IGNORANCE.

I just had my first child in Novermber. I did A LOT of research prior to my child being born. There are so many studies out there showing that there is ZERO, NADDA, ZIP correlation between vaccinations and autism. You want to talk about allergies, we are just now(within the past 10 years) getting a good grip on allergies. Guess what? A new study about milk allergies(not lactose intolerance) showed it was actually BETTER to expose the kids to milk at low doses over time and the allergy went away as long as the milk continued to be consumed. Guess what that means? The whole avoid the allergen at all cost method over the past 30 years has been the wrong approach. That is why we have more people with allergies. How many children that grew up on a farm had animal allergies? None because they were raised with animals.

Yep my first is due in 2 months. This being my first and some other issues, bad doctors, I have been worried and looking up every thing I can find. Like SIDS, breast milk VS formula, Vaccines, etc... and I have yuet to find any real peer reviewed independent studies saying to NOT get your kid vacinated.

I was honestly a little concerned about the chickenpox vaccination. Main reason being that it is rarely fatal when a kid gets it naturally. But I realized that even if I don't let my kid get it, he most likely won't get the chickenpox naturally anymore. Add to the fact that it can be life threatening if a person gets it as an adult, I decided that there was enough history to justify it.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Damn, she has a nice rack. But really, the anti-vaccination thing is dangerous. Do these people not realize that children are constantly dying in third world countries due to diseases that we have defeated over here? There's a reason why we have longer life expectancies, and for the most part an infection is nothing to worry about if you see a doctor.

Edit: And to those of you who say "I've never gotten a flu shot and never got the flu, so it must be bogus," count your blessings. If I get the flu, it tends to develop into pneumonia and then I have to go to the hospital. So I'd rather get a shot than just cross my fingers.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: FP
The entire medical industry (especially big pharma) is about $$$... not necessarily what is best for you.

That's like saying that ALL soldiers are bloodthirsty savages...it's a slap in the face of the millions of people who genuinely care and are working their hardest for the greater good. Obviously there will always be a few bad eggs. So?

I WORK in medical research. For a nonprofit. Yes, a lot of money gets thrown around, but it's almost all equipment costs. I don't think I know a single person in the building who is in it "for the money".

Originally posted by: tranceport
sodium borate, soldium chloride

Yeah...really scary compounds there.

I agree that "mercury" and "lead" sound pretty scary, but the amounts that are in vaccines are nothing compared to what you get when you eat fish in a restaurant. People forget that simply breathing exposes you to some truly nasty chemicals, like oxygen. Good thing you have this nice fancy body to compensate for the dangerous oxidative damage that results...of course, the stuff will still kill you eventually.

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: Bignate603

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
By the way, earlier this year, the government paid out damages to a couple who had sued over a child who's autism they claimed was caused by vaccines. While there was no admittance of causation, you can bet your ass the government doesn't pay out over a million dollars out of the goodness of it's heart...

Its common for the government and large companies to do the math on how expensive it is to go to court compared to how expensive it is to settle. Even if you're going to win if it costs more than settling you just pay it.

that's common for corporations, but NOT the US government.

Are you kidding? The only difference is that the US government will deliberately do the wrong thing, even if it costs MORE. NO ONE is more willing to settle than the US government.

Ironically enough, the whole reason why the US government set up this "shield" organization was to reduce the percieved liability of creating vaccines, and thus encourage more complete vaccination of the population.

If you don't want to vaccinate your kids, that's fine. But they shouldn't be allowed to attend public schools and you should have to pay higher insurance premiums.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: Codewiz

Originally posted by: Marlin1975

Originally posted by: Codewiz
What pisses me off most is that these FVCKERS don't realize they are putting vaccinated children at risk. They don't understand that vaccinations don't always take by the kids they are given to. BUT those kids are typically protected because of the herd vaccination rates are so high that the spread of the disease never happens.

Now we have all these fvckers not vaccinating their children and it won't just be their kids that get sick. If enough of these fvckers don't vaccinate their children there will be INNOCENTS that are harmed out of these fvckers IGNORANCE.

I just had my first child in Novermber. I did A LOT of research prior to my child being born. There are so many studies out there showing that there is ZERO, NADDA, ZIP correlation between vaccinations and autism. You want to talk about allergies, we are just now(within the past 10 years) getting a good grip on allergies. Guess what? A new study about milk allergies(not lactose intolerance) showed it was actually BETTER to expose the kids to milk at low doses over time and the allergy went away as long as the milk continued to be consumed. Guess what that means? The whole avoid the allergen at all cost method over the past 30 years has been the wrong approach. That is why we have more people with allergies. How many children that grew up on a farm had animal allergies? None because they were raised with animals.

Yep my first is due in 2 months. This being my first and some other issues, bad doctors, I have been worried and looking up every thing I can find. Like SIDS, breast milk VS formula, Vaccines, etc... and I have yuet to find any real peer reviewed independent studies saying to NOT get your kid vacinated.

I was honestly a little concerned about the chickenpox vaccination. Main reason being that it is rarely fatal when a kid gets it naturally. But I realized that even if I don't let my kid get it, he most likely won't get the chickenpox naturally anymore. Add to the fact that it can be life threatening if a person gets it as an adult, I decided that there was enough history to justify it.

Wish I had the chicken pox vaccine. I have a long-term (probably permanent) Bell's Palsy thanks to the chicken pox virus.

 

[LegendKiller]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Thank gawd that you're a statistically significant sample size. What else would we do in testing anecdotal evidence if you weren't around?

If'n the good Lord seen fit ta' give me a brain so's I could understand what ya just said there feller, I might'n be a slight offended at'cher comment!

Exactly.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats

Originally posted by: tenshodo13

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
By the way, earlier this year, the government paid out damages to a couple who had sued over a child who's autism they claimed was caused by vaccines. While there was no admittance of causation, you can bet your ass the government doesn't pay out over a million dollars out of the goodness of it's heart...

One out of 5,263 cases and there was no proof of casuastion

so you think the gov't just decided to give them money for no reason?

and one case is too many if that case is your child...

My understanding is that the child had a mitochondrial disorder that predisposed her to autism. In this case, the vaccine aggravated her condition and made her symptoms much worse. However, I know of no evidence that suggests vaccination causes autism in otherwise healthy children.

Also, I think mercury and some of the other harmful materials have been removed in recent years.

They have not. It is still widely used.

You can request that your child be immunized with mercury free vaccine, but you may have to search around a while to locate such vaccine.

Ask to read the label...you may be surprised.

 

[frostedflakes]

Yeah Mikey corrected me on that. It seems levels have been reduced, but it hasn't been eliminated.

edit: Actually, are you guys sure about that? Looks like thiomersal hasn't been used (in childhood vaccines, at least) for many years.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafe...oncerns/thimerosal.htm

 

[Leafy]

Originally posted by: CorCentral
....... And I remember George Carlin talking about GERMS


I haven't had a shot for anything in over 25 years, and I'm fine. I haven't had a cold in over 2 years. My wife comes home from work with colds and I never get them. Strange coincidence?

In the past I've had the Flu, chickenpocks, normal colds that last a week, but nothing major.

COINCIDENCE!?! Perhaps the most ubiquitous hypothetical question asked by people claiming something without evidence on anecdotal presuppositions.

I think not. There are many possible causes for your resistance to the rhino virus, but it doesn't matter because cold's aren't curable.

There is a reason for vaccination: because the benefit far, far, far outweighs the risk. If you can save 1 million children, and 1,000 die from a vaccine, it's better than having 1 million children die and 1,000 survive.

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
By the way, earlier this year, the government paid out damages to a couple who had sued over a child who's autism they claimed was caused by vaccines. While there was no admittance of causation, you can bet your ass the government doesn't pay out over a million dollars out of the goodness of it's heart...

1. Find me the case. Until you link me something, I'm saying this is bullshit.
2. Anecdotal evidence is NOT EVIDENCE.
3. You're basically saying "I know the government didn't say that there was any causal link between the vaccines and autism, BUT THEY PAID ANYWAY BECAUSE THEY KNOW IN THEIR HEARTS THAT THE VACCINE CAUSED IT, AND I CORRECTLY GUESSED THIS!"

Bullshit.

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats


so you think the gov't just decided to give them money for no reason?

and one case is too many if that case is your child...

Here we go with the appeals to emotion. These kind of emotional appeals are designed to circumnavigate around reason and just arouse fear. You have an improper view of statistics.

"What if it was your child?" Then you act like you've destroyed that argument. Which is more likely, honestly:
You are one of the 0.000190001%
You are not one of the 0.0000190001%

You are innumerate.

A quote from John Allen Paulos:

Confronted with these large numbers and with the correspondingly small probabilities associated with them, the innumerate will inevitably respond with the non sequitur, "Yes, but what if you're that one," and then nod knowingly, as if they've demolished your argument with their penetrating insight. This tendency to personalize is, as we'll see, a characteristic of many people who suffer from innumeracy.