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Leafy

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Taejin
Seems like I hadn't read 8 pages of people stating fairly well known science on the flu vaccine and Nik unable to accept that he is stupid and wrong.

Prove me wrong that I don't get sick when I get a flu shot. If you can't, then fuck off already.

Get your blood tested immediately after getting a flu shot to make sure you don't have, as many people suspect and has been demonstrated to you already, NOTHING (1). If you can't, then fuck off already.

If that's all you're going to address, then you need to read my earlier posts. These points, in particular.

1. The only argument you have presented so far is a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.
2. The "low grade fever" people "get" "every" time they receive the vaccine is not a disease, it's an immunological response to a stimulus. It could be nothing, it could be a response to the vaccine (1), it could be something they would have gotten any way.
3. You're setting up a false dichotomy by saying that either the vaccines are making me sick or it's random chance. There are many other things that could be causing it including your immune system's response to the stimulus itself.
4. The immune system doesn't "take a hit" after a vaccination.
5. You cannot get the flu from a flu vaccine, if it's the inactive type. If it's not, then you may get flu-like symptoms although they are mild or weak in strength and duration. (1)

(1) http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/va...n/side-effects.htm#flu
 

Wheezer

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McCarthy was known for being a party girl wasn't she?

god knows what kinds of bugs and other shit were floating around her blood stream when she got knocked up....not to mention genetics on her side and his.

but it's far easier and gives her that good fuzzy feeling to blame someone/something else and have a "cause" to try push in an attempt to erase the sins of her past.
 

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How has this not been mentioned yet: before starting her moronic anti-vaccination crusade, she thought her son was an Indigo Child.
Wiki link.

This is so stupid that it bottles the mind... like when your mind feels like it's trapped in a bottle.
 

Bateluer

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Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Well I suppose thats what bothers me so much. Being a nurse and all. But its amazing how many of my patients DONT want get a flu or pneumonia(when they qualify for one) and their primary reason is 'vaccines arent safe'

I get sick every time I get a flu shot. I don't get sick when I don't get them. I stopped getting flu shots years ago and haven't had the flu since.

The flu shot doesnt cause you to get the flu...sure you can have a mild illness for a couple days but its more due to the immune response. I got the flu shot every year I was in college and was one of the few people NOT to get the flu whenever it chose to rampage through my dorm

When I was in the military, we had to get the flu shot every year, typically right before the holidays. Which usually meant that you got to spend your holidays sick with the flu.

Not only that, the FluMist nasal shot was the only flu vaccine they used, the needle syringe was only an option if you medically disqualified for the nasal vaccine. I hated the nasal vaccine, disgusting slime sliding down the back of your throat. Most people after getting it went straight to the bathroom and blew that crap out of those nose and into the trash can. Naturally, this left the live flu virus all over the bathroom and person's face.

I didn't get the flu shot this year, and, predictably, didn't get the flu over the holidays. Odds are, I won't get the flu again for a long time. And I'm not talking about a mild cold, I'm referring to the week long flu illness.

I'm all far vaccinations, but the flu vaccine is a joke. There are probably millions of strains of the flu virus and the vaccine only gets 1 a year. Saying the flu vaccine is generating negative press for other, more important vaccinations, would be accurate as most still get the flu after getting the shot.
 

olds

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Originally posted by: KK
I don't get the flu shot either. Its not worth the little reward versus the almost certain fever. In the military it was mandatory, and I would get it then feel like shit for a day or two. My immune system is top notch, if I do come down with something, then it kicks in overdrive and defeats it. Its good practice for it and thats the way it should be. In my 15 years in the work force, I've not missed one day due to illness.
When I was in the Army, I'd buy the medics beers when I saw them out and about. I never had to take a flu shot (they marked me down as receiving it) and I never got the flu.
Probably too much alcohol in my system. :laugh:

It is now 20 years later and I still have never had a flu shot. Can't say I haven't had the flu because I don't go to the doctor for flu like symptons or colds. I let my immune system take care of it.
This area is below average in the flu it would seem.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
How has this not been mentioned yet: before starting her moronic anti-vaccination crusade, she thought her son was an Indigo Child.
Wiki link.

This is so stupid that it bottles the mind... like when your mind feels like it's trapped in a bottle.
:laugh:

"Oh wait, changed my mind. He isn't the next step in human evolution, there's actually something wrong with him, and I need something to blame!"

I was walking hand in hand with my son down a Los Angeles street when this women approached me and said, ?You?re an Indigo and your son is a Crystal.? I immediately replied, ?Yes!? and the woman smiled at me and walked away. I stood there for a moment, because I had no idea what the heck an Indigo and Crystal was, but I seemed so sure of it when I had blurted out ?Yes!? After doing some of my own research on the word Indigo, I realized not only was I an early Indigo but my son was in fact a Crystal child.
Oh my.....
:laugh:
She's clearly quite sufficiently competent and qualified to be attacking modern medical science.



Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Taejin
Seems like I hadn't read 8 pages of people stating fairly well known science on the flu vaccine and Nik unable to accept that he is stupid and wrong.

Prove me wrong that I don't get sick when I get a flu shot. If you can't, then fuck off already.
I don't remember seeing you ever saying exactly how sick you get.

I think some people do have allergic reactions to certain vaccinations as well.
But you're not getting sick from the influenza virus. The viruses in the shots are dead.



Originally posted by: Bateluer
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I'm all far vaccinations, but the flu vaccine is a joke. There are probably millions of strains of the flu virus and the vaccine only gets 1 a year. Saying the flu vaccine is generating negative press for other, more important vaccinations, would be accurate as most still get the flu after getting the shot.
The CDC's website says that there are three strains per shot.

 

SunnyD

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: Bignate603
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
By the way, earlier this year, the government paid out damages to a couple who had sued over a child who's autism they claimed was caused by vaccines. While there was no admittance of causation, you can bet your ass the government doesn't pay out over a million dollars out of the goodness of it's heart...

Its common for the government and large companies to do the math on how expensive it is to go to court compared to how expensive it is to settle. Even if you're going to win if it costs more than settling you just pay it.

that's common for corporations, but NOT the US government.

Yes it is, I know I work for the Fed Gov and do HR type work.

The federal government actually started a vaccine compensation fund for people who's children (or themselves) are thought to have been "injured" by vaccines. Now if the federal government specifically puts money aside expecting law suits because vaccines are "the greater good"... yeah. Tell me something's not being hidden there.

The reason why autism-vaccine link is plausible but not directly observable is because we're not entirely sure what causes it. My son has a form of Asperger's. When he was a wee little one, I'd like to say he was perfect. Unfortunately I can't correlate vaccines with any of his issues simply because I wasn't looking for changes (and didn't know there *might* be a link). Of course his issues may have to do with other things. Who knows.

As far as the herd immunity - if you're so concerned about immunities... get your kid/yourself vaccinated and be done with it. If my child contracts an illness because I haven't vaccinated, what the hell do you care? You've been vaccinated, right?

Finally - TOO MANY vaccines. For what gain? Most vaccines being "pushed" out now are simply for medicinal profit. Look at the HPV vaccine. There is absolutely no conclusive proof that it prevents HPV. And personally, I'm not willing my two daughters' lives on testing out some company's guess. Chicken pox vaccine... why? It's a mild childhood illness that is little more than an inconvenience to most people. Flu vaccine - another purely "for profit" vaccine... taking a company's best guess at which strain of the flu virus will proliferate a given year.

Couple that with all of the "inert" materials in all the vaccines - which is the point of Jenny's argument anyway...

Finally, a little tidbit to take away here. Did you know that probably (best estimate so far) about 20% of the human genome is viral DNA? Yup. Humanity would not be what it is today had we not lived through several million years of viruses. A good portion of that DNA is inert, some of it we owe our very existence to.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: Bignate603
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
By the way, earlier this year, the government paid out damages to a couple who had sued over a child who's autism they claimed was caused by vaccines. While there was no admittance of causation, you can bet your ass the government doesn't pay out over a million dollars out of the goodness of it's heart...

Its common for the government and large companies to do the math on how expensive it is to go to court compared to how expensive it is to settle. Even if you're going to win if it costs more than settling you just pay it.

that's common for corporations, but NOT the US government.

Yes it is, I know I work for the Fed Gov and do HR type work.

The federal government actually started a vaccine compensation fund for people who's children (or themselves) are thought to have been "injured" by vaccines. Now if the federal government specifically puts money aside expecting law suits because vaccines are "the greater good"... yeah. Tell me something's not being hidden there.

The reason why autism-vaccine link is plausible but not directly observable is because we're not entirely sure what causes it. My son has a form of Asperger's. When he was a wee little one, I'd like to say he was perfect. Unfortunately I can't correlate vaccines with any of his issues simply because I wasn't looking for changes (and didn't know there *might* be a link). Of course his issues may have to do with other things. Who knows.

As far as the herd immunity - if you're so concerned about immunities... get your kid/yourself vaccinated and be done with it. If my child contracts an illness because I haven't vaccinated, what the hell do you care? You've been vaccinated, right?

Finally - TOO MANY vaccines. For what gain? Most vaccines being "pushed" out now are simply for medicinal profit. Look at the HPV vaccine. There is absolutely no conclusive proof that it prevents HPV. And personally, I'm not willing my two daughters' lives on testing out some company's guess. Chicken pox vaccine... why? It's a mild childhood illness that is little more than an inconvenience to most people. Flu vaccine - another purely "for profit" vaccine... taking a company's best guess at which strain of the flu virus will proliferate a given year.

Couple that with all of the "inert" materials in all the vaccines - which is the point of Jenny's argument anyway...

Finally, a little tidbit to take away here. Did you know that probably (best estimate so far) about 20% of the human genome is viral DNA? Yup. Humanity would not be what it is today had we not lived through several million years of viruses. A good portion of that DNA is inert, some of it we owe our very existence to.

What part of its cheaper to pay off a few then fight and lose more money to win? By having this fund it saves money and makes sure children get vaccines that save lives.
AGAIN. Show me peer reviewed independent studies that show a direct link between long term injury and vaccines. Not some person that says ?my kid ate at burger king and was diagnosed with autism, so it must have been BK that caused it?.
 
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Originally posted by: Leafy
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
By the way, earlier this year, the government paid out damages to a couple who had sued over a child who's autism they claimed was caused by vaccines. While there was no admittance of causation, you can bet your ass the government doesn't pay out over a million dollars out of the goodness of it's heart...

1. Find me the case. Until you link me something, I'm saying this is bullshit.
2. Anecdotal evidence is NOT EVIDENCE.
3. You're basically saying "I know the government didn't say that there was any causal link between the vaccines and autism, BUT THEY PAID ANYWAY BECAUSE THEY KNOW IN THEIR HEARTS THAT THE VACCINE CAUSED IT, AND I CORRECTLY GUESSED THIS!"

Bullshit.

Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats


so you think the gov't just decided to give them money for no reason?

and one case is too many if that case is your child...

Here we go with the appeals to emotion. These kind of emotional appeals are designed to circumnavigate around reason and just arouse fear. You have an improper view of statistics.

"What if it was your child?" Then you act like you've destroyed that argument. Which is more likely, honestly:
You are one of the 0.000190001%
You are not one of the 0.0000190001%

You are innumerate.

The case is well-publicized, you can google it. I never said there was evidence, but I still find it hard to believe the US Government would voluntarily open that door for no reason aside from avoiding legal fees. The very fact that they've now [aid damages in one case will open them up to a lot of future scrutiny.

As far as my second post, it's not an emotional appeal, I really honestly don't give a fuck what you think, but I guarantee you that if you were the parent of a child who was injured or killed by something avoidable or preventable, you would be very upset and if you had the means to publicize it, you would likely do so. It doesn't matter what it is, or what the odds are, when it happens to you, things are different.

 
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Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: tenshodo13
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
By the way, earlier this year, the government paid out damages to a couple who had sued over a child who's autism they claimed was caused by vaccines. While there was no admittance of causation, you can bet your ass the government doesn't pay out over a million dollars out of the goodness of it's heart...

One out of 5,263 cases and there was no proof of casuastion

so you think the gov't just decided to give them money for no reason?

and one case is too many if that case is your child...

*sigh* no admission of cause means just that. The government, for whatever reason, good or bad decided it would be cheaper to pay out. That is NOT scientific evidence, and legal precedent certainly doesn't fly in the face of scientific evidence. You're confusing law with reality again. Bad Mikey. Bad. <bop on the nose with a rolled newspaper>

We're not in a courtroom....and it would appear to me the gov't would like to keep this fight out of the courts by settling.
 
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Originally posted by: ironwing
So are autism rates going up because there are more autistic kids? Better diagnosis? Or has autism become the latest fade syndrome for parents to blame for their childrens' poor behavior/under-achievement? Like hyper-activity was when I was a kid or ADD was in the '90s.

<flamebait> Hyper-activity and ADD seemed to show up far more often in the boys of divorced parents where the fathers couldn't or wouldn't spend time raising the boys. We used to refer to it as DDD, Daddy Deficit Disorder </flamebait>

if you knew anything about autism,m you would know better.
 
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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Originally posted by: moshquerade
It seems like Jenny McCarthy is trying to find a scapegoat so she can blame something else for her not having a *gasp* perfect child.

Agree...

yep. Age of entitlement ftl.



I really don't think that is the case here.

she feels she is owed for something that is beyond anyone's doing. She feels someone else should be responsible for a tragedy that, if anyone is to blame, is herself (genetics--though of course it's not her fault).

and I'm sure people said that about mothers of thalidomide babies...
 

Chryso

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The good of the many outweighs the good of the one. It is better to have a small number of people die or be injured from a vaccine than to have millions dead or injured from the disease.
 
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Originally posted by: Chryso
The good of the many outweighs the good of the one. It is better to have a small number of people die or be injured from a vaccine than to have millions dead or injured from the disease.

and I don't think most would argue with that. But that doesn't change the problem if there is in fact a problem.

 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Originally posted by: moshquerade
It seems like Jenny McCarthy is trying to find a scapegoat so she can blame something else for her not having a *gasp* perfect child.

Agree...

yep. Age of entitlement ftl.



I really don't think that is the case here.

she feels she is owed for something that is beyond anyone's doing. She feels someone else should be responsible for a tragedy that, if anyone is to blame, is herself (genetics--though of course it's not her fault).

and I'm sure people said that about mothers of thalidomide babies...

And we have test to make sure drugs are safe. That is why thalidomide was never approved for the US market. Yet vaccines have gone through these test and passed. They have also been used for many years and in a lot of cases decades.

So AGAIN. Show me peer reviewed independent studies that show a direct link between long term injury and vaccines. Not some person that says ?my kid ate at burger king and was diagnosed with autism, so it must have been BK that caused it?.


 

SunnyD

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Originally posted by: Chryso
The good of the many outweighs the good of the one. It is better to have a small number of people die or be injured from a vaccine than to have millions dead or injured from the disease.

Let it happen to you and then see if you still feel that way.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: Chryso
The good of the many outweighs the good of the one. It is better to have a small number of people die or be injured from a vaccine than to have millions dead or injured from the disease.

Let it happen to you and then see if you still feel that way.
It still doesn't matter.
See Leafy's post.

It's the same kind of thinking that makes a person say, "Well, it won't happen to me." Fact is, there's always a "me" out there that it is happening to. We can't make anything 100% safe, or else we'd still be living in caves, devoting all our efforts to trying to make fire 100% safe.

It's still better to have a small number die or be injured from a vaccine than have millions dead or injured from the disease itself. Then it wouldn't just "happen to you" - it might also happen to several friends as well, since none were vaccinated and the disease was permitted to spread freely.


Do nothing and many die.
Do something simple and very few die.

If you choose the former, you're a fool, simple as that.

 

Gibsons

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Originally posted by: KK
I don't get the flu shot either. Its not worth the little reward versus the almost certain fever. In the military it was mandatory, and I would get it then feel like shit for a day or two. My immune system is top notch, if I do come down with something, then it kicks in overdrive and defeats it. Its good practice for it and thats the way it should be. In my 15 years in the work force, I've not missed one day due to illness.

The immune system in "overdrive" can kill you. In some influenza infections it's the cause of death, not the direct pathologic effects of the virus itself.
 
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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Originally posted by: moshquerade
It seems like Jenny McCarthy is trying to find a scapegoat so she can blame something else for her not having a *gasp* perfect child.

Agree...

yep. Age of entitlement ftl.



I really don't think that is the case here.

she feels she is owed for something that is beyond anyone's doing. She feels someone else should be responsible for a tragedy that, if anyone is to blame, is herself (genetics--though of course it's not her fault).

and I'm sure people said that about mothers of thalidomide babies...

And we have test to make sure drugs are safe. That is why thalidomide was never approved for the US market. Yet vaccines have gone through these test and passed. They have also been used for many years and in a lot of cases decades.

So AGAIN. Show me peer reviewed independent studies that show a direct link between long term injury and vaccines. Not some person that says ?my kid ate at burger king and was diagnosed with autism, so it must have been BK that caused it?.

I don't have to show you anything, as I'm not stating that there IS a link. I'm just saying that it wouldn't be the first (or the thirty-first) time we were told something was safe only to find out years later it wasn't. And I'm saying that I find it suspicious the gov't has suddenly decided to pay out damages "out of the goodness of it's heart".
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: ironwing
She's gotten huge exposure for her dangerous idea. Kids will die or become crippled due to this. The Age of Reason is dead.

We shall call this the "Age of Stupid."
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: MikeyIs4Dcats
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Originally posted by: moshquerade
It seems like Jenny McCarthy is trying to find a scapegoat so she can blame something else for her not having a *gasp* perfect child.

Agree...

yep. Age of entitlement ftl.



I really don't think that is the case here.

she feels she is owed for something that is beyond anyone's doing. She feels someone else should be responsible for a tragedy that, if anyone is to blame, is herself (genetics--though of course it's not her fault).

and I'm sure people said that about mothers of thalidomide babies...

And we have test to make sure drugs are safe. That is why thalidomide was never approved for the US market. Yet vaccines have gone through these test and passed. They have also been used for many years and in a lot of cases decades.

So AGAIN. Show me peer reviewed independent studies that show a direct link between long term injury and vaccines. Not some person that says ?my kid ate at burger king and was diagnosed with autism, so it must have been BK that caused it?.

I don't have to show you anything, as I'm not stating that there IS a link. I'm just saying that it wouldn't be the first (or the thirty-first) time we were told something was safe only to find out years later it wasn't. And I'm saying that I find it suspicious the gov't has suddenly decided to pay out damages "out of the goodness of it's heart".

Did you miss this?

What part of its cheaper to pay off a few then fight and lose more money to win? By having this fund it saves money and makes sure children get vaccines that save lives.

I work for the Fed Gov and we also do the risk reward math. If its cheaper to let someone retire/leave then fight them to fire them we let them retire/leave. Happens all the time.
 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: Chryso
The good of the many outweighs the good of the one. It is better to have a small number of people die or be injured from a vaccine than to have millions dead or injured from the disease.

Let it happen to you and then see if you still feel that way.

Let what happen to me? Statistics?

A lot of autism cases are also borderline cases. For example, my nephew could be considered autistic. However, he responds to people just fine, has normal functioning, but is just behind a bit in interaction. A coworker has the same situation with his son. However, both my niece and his daughter are just fine.

More serious cases have been documented for hundreds of years.

I personally think it is awareness, plus the rationale of borderline, and parental zealousness.

It's like when my wife was diagnosed with thyroid cancer. If you look at the prevelance of thyroid cancer over the past 40 years you see the same type of curve. When asked whether it was awareness, or a fundamental trend, all doctors will tell you it is awareness. A large portion of people die with nodules on their thyroid, but don't die from thyroid cancer.

Other situations, like ADD/ADDHD are simple catch-alls for lazy doctors or helicopter parents who need a reason for their kid to be kids.

Another one that is ridiculous is IBS. My brother was diagnosed with IBS. He went to the UofMN medical, several twin cities doctors, mayo clinic...etc, because he had severe "IBS". Eventually, through a holistic medical journal, my mom eventually figured out he had developed odd alergic reactions, such as an inability to digest raw carrots, but cooked carrots were fine. Or an inability to digest cooked cauliflower, but raw caulifower was fine.

Legions of doctors couldn't figure it out, but my mom accidentally read a single "fringe" article.

People feel like they have to be diagnosed with something, they need a reason or a rhyme as to why they don't feel "normal". Doctors will give them a catch-all for that, or they make their own connections. Catchalls, such as ADD/ADDHD, or IBS, cause more problems than they solve.

McCarthy is looking for a reason for Autism, rather than just simple statistics. Her rationale behind that is harmful because it includes trace elements. Guess what? Everything you ingest has trade elements of harmful nature. Hell, the average lobby with marble has more radation emitting from it than the average nuclear ractor worker is exposed to during work.

Yet, people freak out about it. It's ridiculous. Every other modern country is far more worried about improving their country, yet idiots here waste time worrying about racoons, trees, and trace elements in vaccines. Shit, the infant mortaility is far higher in non-developed countries just for the reason we are being vaccinated. People forget when 1/5+ children would die, which is why there were huge families.

I had a friend at a prior job who commented on things like these. He said that Indians find this country hilarious, because while dipshits like Jenny McCarthy are freaking parents out about this stuff, distracting them from improving the country, they are in school getting engineering masters, or working their asses off to build a better country/economy. They simply don't have time for such stupidity, especially considering most of their educated people are also highly versed in quantitative rationality.

She is far more dangerous than the vaccines themselves.
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Well I suppose thats what bothers me so much. Being a nurse and all. But its amazing how many of my patients DONT want get a flu or pneumonia(when they qualify for one) and their primary reason is 'vaccines arent safe'

I get sick every time I get a flu shot. I don't get sick when I don't get them. I stopped getting flu shots years ago and haven't had the flu since.

I've been getting flu shots for a few years now. I have yet to get the flu from it or after getting the shot. I feel a little achy for about 24 hours but that's a perfectly normal reaction to the flu shot. It isn't the flu though.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: SunnyD
Originally posted by: Chryso
The good of the many outweighs the good of the one. It is better to have a small number of people die or be injured from a vaccine than to have millions dead or injured from the disease.

Let it happen to you and then see if you still feel that way.

Let what happen to me? Statistics?

Well duh. Don't get the vaccines and be 1 out of 50 to die. Or take them and have a 1 in 100,000 chance.

See you don;t want to take them as we use to live without them. Mind you the average age was shorter, more kids died, etc... but we and cavemen made it this far.

Next thing you will tell me is the world is round.
 
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