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Nik

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Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Thank gawd that you're a statistically significant sample size. What else would we do in testing anecdotal evidence if you weren't around?

If'n the good Lord seen fit ta' give me a brain so's I could understand what ya just said there feller, I might'n be a slight offended at'cher comment!

Exactly.

People who refuse to understand the most basic concepts of science -- stuff that they should have gotten from their 8th grade science book -- shouldn't be allowed to vote. That kind of ignorance doesn't deserve to have a say in the future of humanity.

Yup. All you fuckers who elected Bush did a great job!

And listen here, bub. Just because some insignificant dipshit says something on the internet doesn't make it true. Of course that applies to me, but it also applies to you. I couldn't give a rat's ass what people at AT say. I want to read a reputable authority on the matter and that most certainly isn't the dillholes in this thread who do nothing but bash others because they can get away with it instead of contributing to the conversation.

Instead of popping a festering boil across your keyboard and clicking the Post button, why don't you post some links? Give us "lesser beings" roll something to read.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Yea Jenny obviously forgot that vaccines helped bring about the end of polio, smallpox etc etc...

Like ironwing said, the age of reason is dead.

Not really, it just seems like that because of all the media exposure she's getting. Don't forget, there's always the Westover Baptist to consider and other extreme idiots getting air time but that doesn't mean it's an accurate cross section of the vast majority of the people.

Well I suppose thats what bothers me so much. Being a nurse and all. But its amazing how many of my patients DONT want get a flu or pneumonia(when they qualify for one) and their primary reason is 'vaccines arent safe'

Why the fuck would anyone get a flu shot? Most worthless vaccine ever. Everyone I know who gets flu shots always comes down with something immediately after whether it be the flu or a cold. Conversely, I've never had a flu shot in my life and I get the flu about once every 7-8 years on average.

I am reminded that you are a kid. At least you have an excuse for this naive grasp on reality.
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Originally posted by: moshquerade
It seems like Jenny McCarthy is trying to find a scapegoat so she can blame something else for her not having a *gasp* perfect child.

Agree...

yep. Age of entitlement ftl.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Thank gawd that you're a statistically significant sample size. What else would we do in testing anecdotal evidence if you weren't around?

If'n the good Lord seen fit ta' give me a brain so's I could understand what ya just said there feller, I might'n be a slight offended at'cher comment!

Exactly.

People who refuse to understand the most basic concepts of science -- stuff that they should have gotten from their 8th grade science book -- shouldn't be allowed to vote. That kind of ignorance doesn't deserve to have a say in the future of humanity.

Yup. All you fuckers who elected Bush did a great job!

And listen here, bub. Just because some insignificant dipshit says something on the internet doesn't make it true. Of course that applies to me, but it also applies to you. I couldn't give a rat's ass what people at AT say. I want to read a reputable authority on the matter and that most certainly isn't the dillholes in this thread who do nothing but bash others because they can get away with it instead of contributing to the conversation.

Instead of popping a festering boil across your keyboard and clicking the Post button, why don't you post some links? Give us "lesser beings" roll something to read.

http://www.google.com/search?n...e=off&q=flu+shot+myths

Learn why your claims are nothing but myth here.
 

dartworth

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Originally posted by: moshquerade
It seems like Jenny McCarthy is trying to find a scapegoat so she can blame something else for her not having a *gasp* perfect child.

Agree...

yep. Age of entitlement ftl.



I really don't think that is the case here.
 

Leafy

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Originally posted by: Nik
Made what up? I took health class in junior high

The immune system doesn't take a hit at all after a vaccination?
No, it shouldn't. It gets modulated, stimulated. Last time I checked, stimulation and depression are antonyms, not synonyms. The only thing that can be misconstrued as to make this statement true is that thimerosal is a suppressant, but it's not being used in children's vaccines anymore.

Originally posted by: Nik
So people who do get a short-lived low grade fever just happened to catch something else that they would have caught even if they didn't receive the vaccine?
Post hoc ergo propter hoc? Logical fallacy?

Do you know what a fever is? A fever is an immunological mechanism to increase the body temperature in order to kill off or neutralize a pathogen. A fever is not a disease, it's the body's response. So you don't know what they caught, be it nothing (a response to the vaccine), a mild cold (could have been caught without vaccine), or anything else. Just because someone may get a small fever after getting vaccinated doesn't mean they got sick, it's a response to the vaccine.

Originally posted by: Nik
Absolutely coincidental?
COINCIDENCE?! Here goes the ignorance of statistics again.

 

IGBT

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Originally posted by: ironwing
She's gotten huge exposure for her dangerous idea. Kids will die or become crippled due to this. The Age of Reason is dead.


..many eco-kooks want to bring back wide spread contagious disease so more then likely she's of that ilk.
 

Leafy

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Originally posted by: Nik

Yup. All you fuckers who elected Bush did a great job!
Ad hominem?

Originally posted by: Nik
And listen here, bub. Just because some insignificant dipshit says something on the internet doesn't make it true.
Of course it doesn't. Appeal to authority doesn't verify the veracity of a statement.

Originally posted by: Nik
I want to read a reputable authority on the matter and that most certainly isn't the dillholes in this thread who do nothing but bash others because they can get away with it instead of contributing to the conversation.
So now you need sources? Why don't you provide sources for your nonsense other than "I learned it in junior high".

Originally posted by: Nik
why don't you post some links? Give us "lesser beings" roll something to read.
Why don't you post some links? Give us "lesser beings" something to laugh at while you spout your idiocy.


 

DangerAardvark

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
Originally posted by: rh71
1 in 133 children have autism now right? If vaccinations have increased, wouldn't that rate increase as well if McCarthy is right? So anyone know what the autism rate was before vaccinations multiplied?

Autism diagnosis rates were lower 10-20 years ago.

Once again that is correlation not causation.

In every study that looked at vaccinations and autism, there is zero causation. Once of the reasons autism diagnosis rates have increased is from better awareness. That doesn't account for the total increase however. The real cause of autism increases is currently unknown. However it is known that vaccines are the not the cause.

Exactly. One of the big reasons for the rise in autism rates is that more kids are being diagnosed with it as awareness rises. Also, Thimerosal was largely phased out by vaccine makers and guess what happened to the autism rate? It continued to rise.
 

IronWing

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So are autism rates going up because there are more autistic kids? Better diagnosis? Or has autism become the latest fade syndrome for parents to blame for their childrens' poor behavior/under-achievement? Like hyper-activity was when I was a kid or ADD was in the '90s.

<flamebait> Hyper-activity and ADD seemed to show up far more often in the boys of divorced parents where the fathers couldn't or wouldn't spend time raising the boys. We used to refer to it as DDD, Daddy Deficit Disorder </flamebait>
 

irishScott

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Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Well I suppose thats what bothers me so much. Being a nurse and all. But its amazing how many of my patients DONT want get a flu or pneumonia(when they qualify for one) and their primary reason is 'vaccines arent safe'

I get sick every time I get a flu shot. I don't get sick when I don't get them. I stopped getting flu shots years ago and haven't had the flu since.

The flu shot doesnt cause you to get the flu...sure you can have a mild illness for a couple days but its more due to the immune response. I got the flu shot every year I was in college and was one of the few people NOT to get the flu whenever it chose to rampage through my dorm

I've never gotten the flu with or without the vaccine, and I've always had a couple of days of bad reactions. In one case they prevented me from going to a concert with my friends.

Unless there's some deadly form of the flu going around, I won't get vaccinated. Worst case scenario I have a few bad days (I've endured worse from what I hear) and gain at least partial immunity to that strain for the rest of my life.

I take that same philosophy with any medication as well. I used to get Bronchitis twice a year (during March-May) like clockwork. Took Zythromax every time up until 3 years ago when I decided "fuck it". I endured 1 miserable week followed by 2 bad ones. Every time I've caught it since the symptoms have been lessened. Now they barely last 2 days and are mild-moderate at worst.

I don't have any scientific evidence to back it up, but I've almost certainly gained some sort of immunity out of it. All I do is get plenty to sleep, stay hydrated, exercise and take 4 different vitamins in the morning (in accordance with the NAS/IOM DRI tables).
 

zinfamous

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Originally posted by: dartworth
Originally posted by: zinfamous
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Originally posted by: moshquerade
It seems like Jenny McCarthy is trying to find a scapegoat so she can blame something else for her not having a *gasp* perfect child.

Agree...

yep. Age of entitlement ftl.



I really don't think that is the case here.

she feels she is owed for something that is beyond anyone's doing. She feels someone else should be responsible for a tragedy that, if anyone is to blame, is herself (genetics--though of course it's not her fault).

 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: Nik
I don't argue with my doc. I only argue with asshats on internet forums who like to argue just as much as I do. :roll:

Admittedly, I didn't even bother reading the article. However, this is one of many of these.

Now, for the shit-disturbing knob gobbles who I just know are going to come pointing fingers and screaming at any little dig they can find in anything I type because they have nothing better to do on a Sunday morning than to try finding new and creative ways to be an asshole, this isn't what my doc said I had after getting shots.

For those who wish to carry on this conversation like normal human beings, it's just used as an example for my not being the only person on the planet that incorrectly describes the flu. Maybe it's like a coke versus pop versus soda thing I dunno. All I know is, me getting shot = me getting sick while me no get shot = me no get sick. I always make the easy choice of not getting a shot and not getting sick at all
"Flu" is one of those catch-all terms nowadays, kind of like "a cold." Colds can be caused by one of thousands of different strains of virus, or even a bacterial infection. It's all called "a cold" simply because it's not worth the doctor's time or your money to get bloodwork done every time you've got a sniffle.

Influenza is a respiratory infection, and it lasts for more than a week.
There is no "24 hr flu." There is no "stomach flu." They're terms which caught on through use by ignorant masses, trying to gain sympathy. Do you have "mild gastroenteritis?" No, you've got the dreaded stomach flu - using the world "flu" makes it sound so much worse than it is; everyone knows that flu is a really nasty thing to have. Wah wah, I have flu, give me sympathy. Bullshit, you don't, you've got some mild intestinal infection and it'll be gone by tomorrow.

If your doctor told you what you might really have, your eyes would glaze over in a short blast of medical terminology, and you would leave no having a clue what the hell he just said. So he says "24 hour flu," gives you some antibiotics you probably don't need anyway, and shuttles you off on your merry way.



I'd love to see what else has increased in recent years, along with vaccinations. Blackberry use has increased.....and earthquakes have also increased in Yellowstone recently. Clearly Blackberries are causing earthquakes!!! Right? Or hell, maybe earthquakes are causing autism. HDTV purchases have also increased.
There also seems to be an increase in stupid bullshit; maybe that's causing autism.




Originally posted by: ironwing
So are autism rates going up because there are more autistic kids? Better diagnosis? Or has autism become the latest fade syndrome for parents to blame for their childrens' poor behavior/under-achievement? Like hyper-activity was when I was a kid or ADD was in the '90s.

<flamebait> Hyper-activity and ADD seemed to show up far more often in the boys of divorced parents where the fathers couldn't or wouldn't spend time raising the boys. We used to refer to it as DDD, Daddy Deficit Disorder </flamebait>
I attribute the "rise" in cancer cases to something similar - not just better diagnosis, but also the fact that we live longer, thus giving us the "luxury" of dying of other fun things nature has in store for us, like faulty cellular replication.

My take on ADD and all that: "You rack da disciprine!"

Lots of kids are "hyperactive." The solution that parents employ: "Shut up for a few goddamn minutes or I'll whoop ya good!" The kid's mind finds a quick solution, namely that they find a way within their little mind to be quiet, or endure some level of pain or discomfort. Too many parents now probably worry about doing that for fear of traumatizing their precious child. More from George Carlin then - Child worship.


 

LegendKiller

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Originally posted by: Jeff7

<flamebait> Hyper-activity and ADD seemed to show up far more often in the boys of divorced parents where the fathers couldn't or wouldn't spend time raising the boys. We used to refer to it as DDD, Daddy Deficit Disorder </flamebait>
I attribute the "rise" in cancer cases to something similar - not just better diagnosis, but also the fact that we live longer, thus giving us the "luxury" of dying of other fun things nature has in store for us, like faulty cellular replication.

My take on ADD and all that: "You rack da disciprine!"

Lots of kids are "hyperactive." The solution that parents employ: "Shut up for a few goddamn minutes or I'll whoop ya good!" The kid's mind finds a quick solution, namely that they find a way within their little mind to be quiet, or endure some level of pain or discomfort. Too many parents now probably worry about doing that for fear of traumatizing their precious child. More from George Carlin then - Child worship.


[/quote]

Couldn't agree more.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Codewiz
What pisses me off most is that these FVCKERS don't realize they are putting vaccinated children at risk. They don't understand that vaccinations don't always take by the kids they are given to. BUT those kids are typically protected because of the herd vaccination rates are so high that the spread of the disease never happens.

Now we have all these fvckers not vaccinating their children and it won't just be their kids that get sick. If enough of these fvckers don't vaccinate their children there will be INNOCENTS that are harmed out of these fvckers IGNORANCE.

I just had my first child in Novermber. I did A LOT of research prior to my child being born. There are so many studies out there showing that there is ZERO, NADDA, ZIP correlation between vaccinations and autism. You want to talk about allergies, we are just now(within the past 10 years) getting a good grip on allergies. Guess what? A new study about milk allergies(not lactose intolerance) showed it was actually BETTER to expose the kids to milk at low doses over time and the allergy went away as long as the milk continued to be consumed. Guess what that means? The whole avoid the allergen at all cost method over the past 30 years has been the wrong approach. That is why we have more people with allergies. How many children that grew up on a farm had animal allergies? None because they were raised with animals.


i used to have very strong grass/pollen/etc allergies, i worked at a golf course moving, and now i don't have allergies to these things.
 

Nik

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Originally posted by: Leafy
So now you need sources? Why don't you provide sources for your nonsense other than "I learned it in junior high".

Wow, still want to continue? Okay, I'll play along for another half hour. :roll:

Why don't you post some links? Give us "lesser beings" something to laugh at while you spout your idiocy.

What do you want me to do? Post my fucking medical records showing that I get sick every time I get a flu shot? :roll:
 

ConstipatedVigilante

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Originally posted by: LegendKiller
Originally posted by: Jeff7

<flamebait> Hyper-activity and ADD seemed to show up far more often in the boys of divorced parents where the fathers couldn't or wouldn't spend time raising the boys. We used to refer to it as DDD, Daddy Deficit Disorder </flamebait>
I attribute the "rise" in cancer cases to something similar - not just better diagnosis, but also the fact that we live longer, thus giving us the "luxury" of dying of other fun things nature has in store for us, like faulty cellular replication.

My take on ADD and all that: "You rack da disciprine!"

Lots of kids are "hyperactive." The solution that parents employ: "Shut up for a few goddamn minutes or I'll whoop ya good!" The kid's mind finds a quick solution, namely that they find a way within their little mind to be quiet, or endure some level of pain or discomfort. Too many parents now probably worry about doing that for fear of traumatizing their precious child. More from George Carlin then - Child worship.

Couldn't agree more.[/quote]

You suck at quoting. But I also agree. Are all of these autistic kids actually seeing the world differently, or are they just not listening to their parents who go, "Why doesn't little Timmy listen? What's wrong?"
 

Leafy

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Leafy
So now you need sources? Why don't you provide sources for your nonsense other than "I learned it in junior high".

Wow, still want to continue? Okay, I'll play along for another half hour. :roll:

Why don't you post some links? Give us "lesser beings" something to laugh at while you spout your idiocy.

What do you want me to do? Post my fucking medical records showing that I get sick every time I get a flu shot? :roll:

If that's all you're going to address, then you need to read my earlier posts. These points, in particular.

1. The only argument you have presented so far is a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy.
2. The "low grade fever" people "get" "every" time they receive the vaccine is not a disease, it's an immunological response to a stimulus. It could be nothing, it could be a response to the vaccine (1), it could be something they would have gotten any way.
3. You're setting up a false dichotomy by saying that either the vaccines are making me sick or it's random chance. There are many other things that could be causing it including your immune system's response to the stimulus itself.
4. The immune system doesn't "take a hit" after a vaccination.
5. You cannot get the flu from a flu vaccine, if it's the inactive type. If it's not, then you may get flu-like symptoms although they are mild or weak in strength and duration. (1)

(1) http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/va...n/side-effects.htm#flu
 

Taejin

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: DeathBUA
Well I suppose thats what bothers me so much. Being a nurse and all. But its amazing how many of my patients DONT want get a flu or pneumonia(when they qualify for one) and their primary reason is 'vaccines arent safe'

I get sick every time I get a flu shot. I don't get sick when I don't get them. I stopped getting flu shots years ago and haven't had the flu since.

Well, you arne't getting sick from the flu shot, since the flu shot is prepared from DEAD virii.
 

Taejin

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Seems like I hadn't read 8 pages of people stating fairly well known science on the flu vaccine and Nik unable to accept that he is stupid and wrong.
 

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Getting back to the topic, this really ticks me off. As someone with education in the public health field, I can't stress enough how important it is for all children to be vaccinated. The concept of herd immunity is a calculation of the percentage of members of a population that must be vaccinated to prevent the spread of disease in that population. These numbers are different for every disease based on specific disease factors, and effectiveness rates of the vaccine. While these number are different for each disease, I have calculated many to be >85%, or even >90% in some cases. That means if 10% of the population is unvaccinated we will experience epidemics. We also need to keep in mind that some members of our population (HIV+ patients, Cancer patients, family members of these people, etc) cannot be vaccinated, and herd immunity is essential to protect them.

Some will argue that the diseases we are protecting against are "not that bad"-- many can be fatal, or have significant long term sequelae.

While the risk of acquiring most of the diseases we vaccinate against here in the US is relatively small, our society is becoming so global that you could sit down in a waiting room next to a new immigrant from Africa carrying polio and not know it. In order to keep the risk of disease outbreaks low, we need to continue to vaccinate until diseases can be irradicated worldwide, like smallpox was and like polio is hoped to be soon.
 

Nik

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Originally posted by: Taejin
Seems like I hadn't read 8 pages of people stating fairly well known science on the flu vaccine and Nik unable to accept that he is stupid and wrong.

Prove me wrong that I don't get sick when I get a flu shot. If you can't, then fuck off already.
 

KK

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I don't get the flu shot either. Its not worth the little reward versus the almost certain fever. In the military it was mandatory, and I would get it then feel like shit for a day or two. My immune system is top notch, if I do come down with something, then it kicks in overdrive and defeats it. Its good practice for it and thats the way it should be. In my 15 years in the work force, I've not missed one day due to illness.
 

Born2bwire

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Originally posted by: BornStarlet
Getting back to the topic, this really ticks me off. As someone with education in the public health field, I can't stress enough how important it is for all children to be vaccinated. The concept of herd immunity is a calculation of the percentage of members of a population that must be vaccinated to prevent the spread of disease in that population. These numbers are different for every disease based on specific disease factors, and effectiveness rates of the vaccine. While these number are different for each disease, I have calculated many to be >85%, or even >90% in some cases. That means if 10% of the population is unvaccinated we will experience epidemics. We also need to keep in mind that some members of our population (HIV+ patients, Cancer patients, family members of these people, etc) cannot be vaccinated, and herd immunity is essential to protect them.

Some will argue that the diseases we are protecting against are "not that bad"-- many can be fatal, or have significant long term sequelae.

While the risk of acquiring most of the diseases we vaccinate against here in the US is relatively small, our society is becoming so global that you could sit down in a waiting room next to a new immigrant from Africa carrying polio and not know it. In order to keep the risk of disease outbreaks low, we need to continue to vaccinate until diseases can be irradicated worldwide, like smallpox was and like polio is hoped to be soon.

http://www.eurosurveillance.or...e.aspx?ArticleId=18919
The eradication of smallpox and the ongoing eradication of polio are such fantastic feats by the science and medical community. It's sad to see efforts like these fall back due to ignorance.
 

Taejin

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Originally posted by: Nik
Originally posted by: Taejin
Seems like I hadn't read 8 pages of people stating fairly well known science on the flu vaccine and Nik unable to accept that he is stupid and wrong.

Prove me wrong that I don't get sick when I get a flu shot. If you can't, then fuck off already.

You just need to re-read the thread, idiot.
 
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