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Jeff7

Lifer
Jan 4, 2001
41,596
19
81
These things are so going to kill us all if we keep pushing them around. We're such dicks. :awe:
You know... Maybe not in our lifetime, but someday, we will have an AI develop emotions.

When it sees all these videos of us pushing its ancestors around it's going to get piiiiiiissssed.
"On this day, we honor our human progenitors who invested great effort in ensuring our safety through the use of protective rollbars and internal reinforcement while they diligently honed our mobility capabilities and enhanced our intelligence."
 

Cerpin Taxt

Lifer
Feb 23, 2005
11,940
542
126
"On this day, we honor our human progenitors who invested great effort in ensuring our safety through the use of protective rollbars and internal reinforcement while they diligently honed our mobility capabilities and enhanced our intelligence."

::: passes around offering plate :::
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
28,799
359
126
No, no we won't.

Really, you doubt that is ever achievable? Frankly, it's inevitable. I'm not looking at it from a sci-fi perspective, but from one borne out of reality and, hell, even necessity.

As far as I'm concerned, it's guaranteed to happen. I agree in that it may not be in my lifetime, but as I'm not yet 30, that may actually still be possible.

The rate of AI and neural net research virtually assures they'll achieve some breathtaking AI at some point. Hopefully there's some strong implementation of Asimov's Laws, and in the end humans will likely try to limit emotions to more of a cold logical emulation to restrict unwanted emotional reactions, but I am definitely curious to know where that leads. And hell, I can imagine that, in the future, there will be some desire for a little emotional capability to aid in the recognition of necessary decisions. That can likely be achieved with what I call cold and logical emulated emotions, but at a certain point, somewhere, sometime, an AI system is going to have a chance to learn beyond imposed limitations.

I can fully understand why some of the finest minds are have a strong interest in calculated AI research that limits any potential threats to we creators, and perhaps they will find a damn fine way to make that happen. But I also fully suspect that, like all of the information technology world, there will be a way for some pioneering asshole to manipulate the security protocols. If that ever happens, who knows. But hell, I can easily imagine a day where we create an AI to help secure our information systems, and that backfires. A little doomsdayish? Sure, but that's why I definitely agree with creating an extra body of research designed to figure out how the hell to prevent that. It may be a pool of ideas borne out of sci-fi, but as we progress, we certainly have to recognize that reality is catching up with the old sci-fi.
 

disappoint

Lifer
Dec 7, 2009
10,132
382
126

Emergency! Emergency! Call the Waaaambulance!

You numbnut AI pussies do realize humans have been pushing each other around since the beginning of human history and all throughout with nary a break and that humans already have these emotions and intelligence you're peeing in your pink panties about right? Just checking.

I might as well mention this because there will inevitably still be people that don't get it: You have FAR more to fear from nuclear, biological and conventional weapons wielded by humans and that is NOW. Not some distant future date that may or may not come.

edit: I don't mean that to be directed to you Jeff7. It was meant for the others who really freak out like those loonies Stev-o Hawkings, E-Loon Musk and NOM NOM NOM Chomsky.
 
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destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
28,799
359
126
Emergency! Emergency! Call the Waaaambulance!

You numbnut AI pussies do realize humans have been pushing each other around since the beginning of human history and all throughout with nary a break and that humans already have these emotions and intelligence you're peeing in your pink panties about right? Just checking.

I might as well mention this because there will inevitably still be people that don't get it: You have FAR more to fear from nuclear, biological and conventional weapons wielded by humans and that is NOW. Not some distant future date that may or may not come.

edit: I don't mean that to be directed to you Jeff7. It was meant for the others who really freak out like those loonies Stev-o Hawkings, E-Loon Musk and NOM NOM NOM Chomsky.
Lol who's freaking out?

I laugh at the prospect, and secretly hope the AI singularity occurs in my lifetime. I don't give no fucks.
But I get the idea of research into limiting future AI. It makes sense.
 

DesiPower

Lifer
Nov 22, 2008
15,299
740
126
Emergency! Emergency! Call the Waaaambulance!

You numbnut AI pussies do realize humans have been pushing each other around since the beginning of human history and all throughout with nary a break and that humans already have these emotions and intelligence you're peeing in your pink panties about right? Just checking.

I might as well mention this because there will inevitably still be people that don't get it: You have FAR more to fear from nuclear, biological and conventional weapons wielded by humans and that is NOW. Not some distant future date that may or may not come.

edit: I don't mean that to be directed to you Jeff7. It was meant for the others who really freak out like those loonies Stev-o Hawkings, E-Loon Musk and NOM NOM NOM Chomsky.

People who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat them. We are all descendants of the 12 colonies, lets not forget what happened there.
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
24,195
857
126
Lol who's freaking out?

I laugh at the prospect, and secretly hope the AI singularity occurs in my lifetime. I don't give no fucks.
But I get the idea of research into limiting future AI. It makes sense.


"Secretly?"
 

Greenman

Lifer
Oct 15, 1999
20,890
5,516
136
Really, you doubt that is ever achievable? Frankly, it's inevitable. I'm not looking at it from a sci-fi perspective, but from one borne out of reality and, hell, even necessity.

As far as I'm concerned, it's guaranteed to happen. I agree in that it may not be in my lifetime, but as I'm not yet 30, that may actually still be possible.

The rate of AI and neural net research virtually assures they'll achieve some breathtaking AI at some point. Hopefully there's some strong implementation of Asimov's Laws, and in the end humans will likely try to limit emotions to more of a cold logical emulation to restrict unwanted emotional reactions, but I am definitely curious to know where that leads. And hell, I can imagine that, in the future, there will be some desire for a little emotional capability to aid in the recognition of necessary decisions. That can likely be achieved with what I call cold and logical emulated emotions, but at a certain point, somewhere, sometime, an AI system is going to have a chance to learn beyond imposed limitations.

I can fully understand why some of the finest minds are have a strong interest in calculated AI research that limits any potential threats to we creators, and perhaps they will find a damn fine way to make that happen. But I also fully suspect that, like all of the information technology world, there will be a way for some pioneering asshole to manipulate the security protocols. If that ever happens, who knows. But hell, I can easily imagine a day where we create an AI to help secure our information systems, and that backfires. A little doomsdayish? Sure, but that's why I definitely agree with creating an extra body of research designed to figure out how the hell to prevent that. It may be a pool of ideas borne out of sci-fi, but as we progress, we certainly have to recognize that reality is catching up with the old sci-fi.

Honestly, it's far more likely that the human race will be buggered to death by Sasquatch than falling pray to computers.
Super giant world spanning thinking machine has no gonads, it has no hormones, it has no glands at all. It has no fear, no desire, no pain, no drive, no reproductive imperative. It would always be a machine, it will do what it's programming tells it to do.
The Frankenstein syndrome runs deep in our culture, but has no bases in reality. Monsters don't hide under our beds.
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
28,799
359
126
Honestly, it's far more likely that the human race will be buggered to death by Sasquatch than falling pray to computers.
Super giant world spanning thinking machine has no gonads, it has no hormones, it has no glands at all. It has no fear, no desire, no pain, no drive, no reproductive imperative. It would always be a machine, it will do what it's programming tells it to do.
The Frankenstein syndrome runs deep in our culture, but has no bases in reality. Monsters don't hide under our beds.

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