Agreed, religion still comes with many caveats. I think the most troublesome for me is that the vast majority of religions bases morality on authority. This is stifling to growth.
The fact is us humans are mortals and are constantly growing. To deny our own intuition on what's right from our own experiences to follow dogma is oppression.
Well, its kinda hard to debate the "must talk about at-least once in your life subject", which is Athiest vs Science vs Religon...and now that you kinda made me realize that is "spirtual" isint necessarily "religon", so when the subject does come fourth its always a intresting topic of the Big 4 in where you place yourself. Through out my life so far, I like to place myself as all the above, I already had stages in my life where I had the comprehension of reasoning, so I'm back and forth a beliver in basically all four...dont know if thats possible, but I stand by that statement.
To me...
-Religon is the most idealistic manifestation of the human mind.
-Science is the most logical manifestation of the human mind.
-Spiritual is probably the warmest manifestation of the human mind.
-Atheist are probably the coldest yet plain truth that hits everyones life
at-least once.
I've often poundered on all of them at the same time, mostly the Religon and since here in Hawaii we were striped in learning our own gods and more so learn about Jesus...then simple things alway comes to mind...like is it truely fair that the Jesus god has such poor guide-lines and morals and judical laws?
1.)
A man goes his whole life sin-ning and not knowing about Jesus (because he was never tawt about him), a rapist, theif, con man, killer...everything, and then before he has his death sentence a preacher tells him about god and just to repent his sins and ask for forgiveness and he will be granted into heaven.
compare that with...
2.)
A hard working man who made alot of sacrafices doing the right thing, is a constant contributer to the rightious, feeding the poor, giving money to churches, is a good father, a provider for his family and others as well, never in his life broke any of the commandments, but at the end of his last days is so tired and broken of all the hard work hes done in the name of god, and revokes the name of god because near the end everything he worked for was taken away wrongfuly...and he doesnt get into heaven because he for one minute of his life said screw god!
compared to...
3.) A man that is constantly challanged to studying theology and millions of other mythology and is constantly having to revoke each god (just a little) in order to learn, yet he dosent get into hevean just because he is keeping his mind open to other possibilitys and going against one of the commandments not to mention preachers constantly say that if you sway from his side too much and wrong more than right then you will be a hypocrite and not be granted into heaven, yet a man can sin "all" of his life and then ask for forgivness and then be allowed in?
How the hell does that work out? Doesnt sound like some divine plan of a omnipotant being, sounds more like a human manifestation in order to control certain aspects of life.
Dam, mind boggle-ling I tell you...I just find it funny that no one will ever know the truth because in order to find the truth you have to be deceased and I mean.. not die and then come back to life when you drown and some one gives you mouth to mouth or have a heart attack and then be jolted back with a Emp, no I mean your body is incenerated, I truely think all 4 is up for grabs. XD
But I do like the Science vs Religon threads just to see people lose it and go off on each other with stuff that will never be patented or proven, science is out weighing religon heavly now days, but as I stated above Science can teach us whats out there, but Religon/Spiritual can teach us whats inside the heart of human emotions ect. lol
(Sorry for the long post)
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Oh and Btw, when I do debate the subject I'm usually dressed and act like Colombus when debating...
While listening to this to have a better feel about things that actually dont exist (but it gives me the feeling that they might)...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTF1x_L4i5w
and then have the Peter griffin look where he says...
Go on?
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