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destrekor

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Can someone explain?

Paratus already explained it. Here's the explanation:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darmok

It's from an episode of Star Trek TNG. Picard tries to communicate with an alien whose language is almost wholly made up of allegories and allusion to stories in their folklore and history.

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra

Shakka when the walls fell.


They made a play on this by having Rey and Luke communicate the same way.


After explaining all this I'm now as big a nerd as Shorty.
 

Jeff7

Lifer
Jan 4, 2001
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darmok

It's from an episode of Star Trek TNG. Picard tries to communicate with an alien whose language is almost wholly made up of allegories and allusion to stories in their folklore and history.

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra

Shakka when the walls fell.


They made a play on this by having Rey and Luke communicate the same way.


After explaining all this I'm now as big a nerd as Shorty.
Good episode.
Sure, the effects team screwed up and had phaser beams coming out of Enterprise's forward torpedo launcher, but I guess I can live with that.


(Yes, I even had the ST:TNG Technical Manual. The good first printing, too. Word is that the second printing was like some bad counterfeit knockoff: Bad printing, fuzzy lines, poor alignment...)
 

destrekor

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...which is always the case. I'm not sure what's worse, these so-called nerds that don't even know about Darmok, or someone actually explaining the joke.

Meh, I'm one of presumably many "nerds" who don't foam at the mouth for Star Trek. I enjoyed the original movies but never cared enough to follow the many different TV series it spawned. But I do enjoy Picard jokes.
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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...which is always the case. I'm not sure what's worse, these so-called nerds that don't even know about Darmok, or someone actually explaining the joke.

I still don't get it. I'm familiar with Star Wars and Star Trek, I've seen the episode and movie that the joke is based on, and it still seems like a simple reference rather than a joke.

"Hey! Remember that episode where they encounter people with a weird language? Let's caption a Star Wars scene that way!"

"Dude! Totally! Do that! Funniest joke EVAR!" :/
 

Oyeve

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I still don't get it. I'm familiar with Star Wars and Star Trek, I've seen the episode and movie that the joke is based on, and it still seems like a simple reference rather than a joke.

"Hey! Remember that episode where they encounter people with a weird language? Let's caption a Star Wars scene that way!"

"Dude! Totally! Do that! Funniest joke EVAR!" :/

Yea, I am proud to state that I don't get the humor. Really.
 

destrekor

Lifer
Nov 18, 2005
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I still don't get it. I'm familiar with Star Wars and Star Trek, I've seen the episode and movie that the joke is based on, and it still seems like a simple reference rather than a joke.

"Hey! Remember that episode where they encounter people with a weird language? Let's caption a Star Wars scene that way!"

"Dude! Totally! Do that! Funniest joke EVAR!" :/

Yeah it's not great, but with the explanation, I do get it.

The top half: she is saying to Luke, using a metaphor, that she wants him to return to the good ol' days and join the fight.
The bottom half: I'm not quite sure what that response is supposed to actually represent, and is where the "joke" falls apart. It wouldn't fit into the scene, whereas the top half can fit rather well.
 

ImpulsE69

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Although I remember the episode after it was called out, it is still a pretty obscure uber fanatic reference. I remembered the plot, not the words.
 

Ketchup

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darmok

It's from an episode of Star Trek TNG. Picard tries to communicate with an alien whose language is almost wholly made up of allegories and allusion to stories in their folklore and history.

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra

Shakka when the walls fell.


They made a play on this by having Rey and Luke communicate the same way.


After explaining all this I'm now as big a nerd as Shorty.

It's in my top 5 of most annoying episode of the series. I lost count of how many times I heard "when the walls fell," but it seemed like 100.
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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It's in my top 5 of most annoying episode of the series. I lost count of how many times I heard "when the walls fell," but it seemed like 100.

I just thought it was a stupid idea in the first place. To understand/create the allegories/allusions they have to understand what the individual words mean too, which means that they do have a traditional language where each word has a meaning. Why did these people have names and how do you know what happened there without traditional language that would have to accompany the story?
 

Jeff7

Lifer
Jan 4, 2001
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Can someone explain?
Yes. If you have to explain it, it's not funny. Not even close.
Shawn of Anandtech, when the Trek reference failed.
Oldsmoboat, fire in his eyes, flames in his posts.



I just thought it was a stupid idea in the first place. To understand/create the allegories/allusions they have to understand what the individual words mean too, which means that they do have a traditional language where each word has a meaning. Why did these people have names and how do you know what happened there without traditional language that would have to accompany the story?
I had a basic World History course at college, and one book we had to read was Lysistrata. This was a heavily annotated version though. They explained pop culture references, or things like jokes or puns that made sense if you were alive a few thousand years ago, and if you were reading it in the original language. A phrase like "the catatonic cat fell off a mat and made a splat" would very likely not have the same effect if you translated it to something where there the rhyming was completely lost.
Or Shakespeare. It's English words, but can be tough to understand.


Besides, if Star Trek was more realistic in the interspecies communication department, translating the language of another species could take decades, if at all.
Some of them just might not care either.
Ensigns of Command: An advanced alien race begrudgingly made a peace treaty with humans a long time before the episode took place. They don't think too much of us though, kind of like us making a treaty with cats and blowing their tiny minds in the process. Some kinds of ideas might be too complex to easily communicate without going to very great lengths to simplify what you are attempting to convey.



Meh, I'm one of presumably many "nerds" who don't foam at the mouth for Star Trek. I enjoyed the original movies but never cared enough to follow the many different TV series it spawned. But I do enjoy Picard jokes.
:'(
I....I feel like I don't even know who you are anymore!
 
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Ruptga

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I still don't get it. I'm familiar with Star Wars and Star Trek, I've seen the episode and movie that the joke is based on, and it still seems like a simple reference rather than a joke.

"Hey! Remember that episode where they encounter people with a weird language? Let's caption a Star Wars scene that way!"

"Dude! Totally! Do that! Funniest joke EVAR!" :/

It wasn't funny except maybe in an absurdist way, like this classic

but that's a stretch. IMO it was just an uninspired reference pretending to be a joke. Still Darmok is a well known episode, both because it's loved and because it's hated.

And no joke should ever be explained (unless it's a meta joke where the joke is that you're explaining the joke, but even then you should never explain that you're explaining it for that reason). Either the joke was dumb, you misread the audience, or the audience is dumb, but either way it's best for everyone to just move on. The second a joke is explained, whatever was there disappears in a puff of unfunny.
 
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Dr. Zaus

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I just thought it was a stupid idea in the first place. To understand/create the allegories/allusions they have to understand what the individual words mean too, which means that they do have a traditional language where each word has a meaning. Why did these people have names and how do you know what happened there without traditional language that would have to accompany the story?

Actually, on an anthropological, any sufficiently distant enough language seems as though it was all allegories/allusions.

It's just so transparent to you that you don't know the allegorical roots of your language.


Let this neckbeard explain:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcuEu8MJtqk
 

Paratus

Lifer
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It wasn't funny except maybe in an absurdist way, like this classic

but that's a stretch. IMO it was just an uninspired reference pretending to be a joke. Still Darmok is a well known episode, both because it's loved and because it's hated.

And no joke should ever be explained (unless it's a meta joke where the joke is that you're explaining the joke, but even then you should never explain that you're explaining it for that reason). Either the joke was dumb, you misread the audience, or the audience is dumb, but either way it's best for everyone to just move on. The second a joke is explained, whatever was there disappears in a puff of unfunny.



This one is funny because the sweat stains look like the bat signal. The bat signal was from a comic called "Batman" which is about a crime fighting vigilante who dresses as a bat to scare criminals. When the police want him they shine a bright light into the sky that forms the shape of a bat. This is because batman doesn't want them to know his phone number.
 

ImpulsE69

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This one is funny because the sweat stains look like the bat signal. The bat signal was from a comic called "Batman" which is about a crime fighting vigilante who dresses as a bat to scare criminals. When the police want him they shine a bright light into the sky that forms the shape of a bat. This is because batman doesn't want them to know his phone number.

I don't get it. Shouldn't this be in the babe thread?
 

destrekor

Lifer
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This one is funny because the sweat stains look like the bat signal. The bat signal was from a comic called "Batman" which is about a crime fighting vigilante who dresses as a bat to scare criminals. When the police want him they shine a bright light into the sky that forms the shape of a bat. This is because batman doesn't want them to know his phone number.

:awe:
 
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