Jetta better than WRX

[timmyG]

Originally posted by: B00ne
How can u even compare the WRX to the jettta For one the wrx has 265 hp roughly 50% more than the fastest jetta, and then there is the sticker price of $35000 i guess ud have a hard time getting a jetta up to 35000.... (although its possible)

what part of what you just wrote is true?

i see you live in germany so maybe that is the problem. i think most people are talking about models available where we live.

 

[imported_vr6]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: Kwan1

Originally posted by: Ultima

Originally posted by: jaybert
Umm....the new jetta gli's have 201hp (6speed manual) with the vr6 engine option and the 1.8T engine puts out 180hp stock. Chip the 1.8T engine and you're looking at 210hp, 250 ft/lb torque, to the wheels.

Oh yeah, theres also the little thing that the WRX does not have 265 horses, rather 227. So I guess your arguement really maes no sense at all

Originally posted by: B00ne
How can u even compare the WRX to the jettta
For one the wrx has 265 hp roughly 50% more than the fastest jetta, and then there is the sticker price of $35000 i guess ud have a hard time getting a jetta up to 35000.... (although its possible)

Who cares? It's still FWD. If all I cared about was performance I'd get a damn Camaro and blow your WRX and Jetta away. You'd be staring at my taillights. However that's not all I care about. Jetta is more luxury than sport, and anyone who thinks they're getting a fast car when they buy a Jetta is a dumbass. The WRX is all about sport, and not luxury. They're two different cars.

Since when could a Camaro BLOW by the WRX?? Unless your talking about the SS,the only thing your blowing away is your gas.

SS, or Z28, is faster than a WRX. And SS gets around 30 mpg on the highway, with the 6 speed. Despite the general perception of the Camaros/Firebirds as a white-trash POS, they are very fast cars. And yes, they handle well stock, extremely well when slightly modified.

From a standing start, a V8 Camaro will match a WRX. Through the 1/4, a Camaro will pull ahead. And at highway speeds, a Camaro will just keep going while the WRX has run out of revs. And again, all this while getting 30 mpg highway.

so thats what they call "blowing" by in todays standards?

 

[LS20]

13s and 14s is a world of difference

a cheap z28 camaro will absolutely BLOW away a wrx... from a stop and especially from a roll

forget that awd hype. a decent to good driver should be able to get 2.1s 60' time... good enough to have ripped the wrx by 30mph

 

[imported_vr6]

Originally posted by: LS20
13s and 14s is a world of difference

a cheap z28 camaro will absolutely BLOW away a wrx... from a stop and especially from a roll

forget that awd hype. a decent to good driver should be able to get 2.1s 60' time... good enough to have ripped the wrx by 30mph

2.1s 60' time?? where did that come from. I am not suprised that camaros are faster, but blowing by is not the term that should be used.

 

[Robor]

I rode in a friends slightly modded '02 WRX and to be honest I wasn't impressed. For what he paid I think he got ripped. The interior looks like crap. Yeah, everyone says that but that's because it's true and AFAIK they don't even offer leather as an option to make it any better. No 2-door option either - that's the worst. I'm sorry but single guys with no kids should not be driving 4-door cars, period.

I drive a bone stock VW GTI GLX (VR6) and despite the fact that his newer WRX is worth more I wouldn't trade him straight up. His car might be quicker in a short race but what's the point? It would still get killed by a "real" fast car. Strapping a crappy sounding coffee can muffler and stupid looking wing on a car does not make it fast.

I think some people have watched "The Fast and the Furious" too many times...

 

[bUnMaNGo]

No 2-door option either - that's the worst. I'm sorry but single guys with no kids should not be driving 4-door cars, period.

I drive a 4-door Acura Integra GSR. I also ride a Honda CBR 600. I like having sex, scratching my nuts, and drinking beer. Does driving a car with four doors make me any less of a guy than you? If it does, then please tell me, because I'll go in tomorrow to the VW dealer and pick up one of those nice little 1.8t GTIs for myself

I had the option of getting a 2-door Integra but that simply wasn't practical. The rear seat in a 2-door Integra only fits two people, uncomfortably at that. The rear seat in my car isn't much better, but at least there's a bit more room.

It would still get killed by a "real" fast car.Strapping a crappy sounding coffee can muffler and stupid looking wing on a car does not make it fast.

I think some people have watched "The Fast and the Furious" too many times...

what's a "real" fast car? a '64 Chevelle? A Lamborghini Diablo? My friend with an Eclipse GS-T can keep up with E46 M3's (straight line anyways, he hasn't gone autocrossing with his new turbo yet) Granted, he has a 20g turbo boosting 18psi on 91 octane fuel, but that's the point. How would you like it if you drove a brand new $60k car and got spanked by a little "riceboy" in an Eclipse? Obviously you either don't know a thing about modding a car or don't have the slightest interest in doing so, or maybe even both, because if you did, you'd know that modding a car doesn't merely consist of strapping on a "coffee can muffler" and a "stupid looking wing". Keep in mind that we all aren't riceboys out there. It may be surprising to you but some people actually do mod their cars for performance. I have some friends who just drove up to Willow Springs this morning to go have some fun at the track. As mentioned before, with WRX's and other turbocharged cars such as the VW's with the 1.8t engines all you need to do is pop in a boost controller or a chip to get an increase in horsepower. Seems to me like you're the one watching "The Fast and the Furious" one too many times.

 

[Goosemaster]

wait...so you guys are saying I should get geo?



Seriosuly though, I have never liked the look of the wrx, and the jettat ain't exactly the best thing on four wheels...



Of course, practically speaking...between ONLY these two..i'd take the jetta...the PAssat is much better IMO



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[Turkey]

Leather in the WRX is not a factory option. You can get diy kits from leatherseats.com, which is probably where the dealers that offer them are getting them from. The sunroof is not a factory option either because there is a huge, thick piece of the unibody that passes (surprisingly

) right over the driver's head. Any normal sized sunroof would require that this bar be cut, which would reduce chassis stiffness moderately and safety a lot.

 

[Priit]

Jetta better than WRX

Depends of what is "better" for individual. Diesel Jetta willl own WRX in fuel economy, is easier do drive for bad drivers, will be cheaper to maintain, probably has better resale value, is more comfortable etc I guess everybody can figure out why WRX is better than Jetta, too...

 

[bUnMaNGo]

Originally posted by: Priit

Jetta better than WRX

Depends of what is "better" for individual. Diesel Jetta willl own WRX in fuel economy, is easier do drive for bad drivers, will be cheaper to maintain, probably has better resale value, is more comfortable etc I guess everybody can figure out why WRX is better than Jetta, too...

just out of curiosity, why is a diesel jetta easier to drive for bad drivers? Does it prevent drivers from cutting people off, not braking until the last minute, and keep them in their lane?

 

[imported_vr6]

one more thing according to Car and Driver, someone posted a article a while ago, The resale value of a VW is slightly higher than a Honda. And we all know Honda WAS the kind in resale value, so suburu can't compete in that department.

 

[Priit]

just out of curiosity, why is a diesel jetta easier to drive for bad drivers? Does it prevent drivers from cutting people off, not braking until the last minute, and keep them in their lane?

Diesel Jetta is easier for beginner cause it's slower so beginners who overestimate their driving skills will more likely be moving on slower speed with this And diesel engine is probably much more flexible (smoother, softer/larger powerband) than high-revving turbo on WRX.

 

[bolido2000]

Originally posted by: Dudd

Porsche and Subaru (even though Porsche is owned by VW)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always heard that Porsche isn't owned by any of the major auto companies. They might collaborate with VW, such as with the Porsche SUV also being sold as a VW, but at their core are independant.

Porsche is independent....they only co-developed the SUV

The guy who said the WRX has 265 HP....is that the stock European WRX??? Just curious..

 

[bolido2000]

Originally posted by: bolido2000

Originally posted by: Dudd

Porsche and Subaru (even though Porsche is owned by VW)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've always heard that Porsche isn't owned by any of the major auto companies. They might collaborate with VW, such as with the Porsche SUV also being sold as a VW, but at their core are independant.

Porsche is independent....they only co-developed the SUV

I think both are great cars, although I don't think they are in the same class. The jetta has better interior and it looks nicer and more luxurious IMO. The reliablility should be worse than the WRX, besides is assamble in Mexico while the WRX is made in japan... . WRX will give you better performace and is a blast to drive.

 

[b0mbrman]

I think I just learned the life lesson of *always* picking speed over everything else...

I bought an RSX (base) just two weeks ago and I'm already tired of it...On the surface it seems like everything I ever wanted in a car:

- Gets lots of looks
- Girls seem to love it
- Pretty affordable
- Handling, braking, mileage etc. are all great
- Auto is convenient in California traffic
- Hondas are dependable as a mother f***er

Now, I'm a simple guy so I normally drive very conservatively but once a week or so, I get the urge for a little speed...and this car just doesn't deliver--it's quite disappointing really, especially after having also test-driven the type S...It's pissing me off so much that I'm seriously considering selling it very soon at a huge loss and with silly low mileage

Anyhow...long story short--*always* get fast cars

 

[LittleWolf]

The WRX is so gay.... See their latest ad..


On a more serious note, Jetta and WRX comparison isn't an apples to apples. The Jetta is a more luxury and upscale good performance sedan. The WRX is more like a perfomance econo-sedan. Depends what priorities are. Also if you take the VR6 Jetta and the WRX, the performace isn't terribly different, atleast in everyday usage.


-j

 

[LittleWolf]

IMO. The reliablility should be worse than the WRX, besides is assamble in Mexico while the WRX is made in japan... .

Oh well... there goes the stereo-typing again... Wonder why Mitsu's thought many are assembled in "Japan" are crappy and "US build" Accords are great.

WRX will give you better performace and is a blast to drive.

Er... is you keep having repeated blasts while driving the WRX, they are known to break their transmissions quite easily... TX have been kinda a bit more fragile on the WRX than expected...

-j

 

[nemo160]

jetta/audi a4 (same basic car...audi is much nicer) for sure
1.8t is an excellent engine, vr6 is even better, both respond well to modification, especially the 1.8t as boost can be increased by chipping
jettas handle great, ride great, seats just feel right
to make a better comparison, vw needs to bring back the corrado heh heh...sweet little cars..really too bad they didn't take off
a4s are all german built and i believe there's still a wolfsburg edition jetta
also...consider which of these cars you'd want at 100k or 150k...jetta hands down..extremely durable
my brother drives an 87 wolfsburg jetta with over 150k on it, fast and handles great
my mom still has an 85 wolfsburg jetta diesel...slow but still looks d*mn near new at over 250k

 

[bUnMaNGo]

Originally posted by: nemo160
jetta/audi a4 (same basic car...audi is much nicer) for sure
1.8t is an excellent engine, vr6 is even better, both respond well to modification, especially the 1.8t as boost can be increased by chipping
jettas handle great, ride great, seats just feel right
to make a better comparison, vw needs to bring back the corrado heh heh...sweet little cars..really too bad they didn't take off
a4s are all german built and i believe there's still a wolfsburg edition jetta
also...consider which of these cars you'd want at 100k or 150k...jetta hands down..extremely durable
my brother drives an 87 wolfsburg jetta with over 150k on it, fast and handles great
my mom still has an 85 wolfsburg jetta diesel...slow but still looks d*mn near new at over 250k

hrmm I thought A4 = Passat chassis?

 

[CocaCola5]

Originally posted by: Priit

just out of curiosity, why is a diesel jetta easier to drive for bad drivers? Does it prevent drivers from cutting people off, not braking until the last minute, and keep them in their lane?

Diesel Jetta is easier for beginner cause it's slower so beginners who overestimate their driving skills will more likely be moving on slower speed with this And diesel engine is probably much more flexible (smoother, softer/larger powerband) than high-revving turbo on WRX.

The power delivery of a diesel engine is very methodical and very smooth unlike with gas engines you don't find yourself pressing the pedal very hard at any time. Diesel drivers learn to go FAST by shifting where as gas drivers meshes the accelerater(for maximum hp), the first one is alot safer.

 

[StattlichPassat]

Originally posted by: bUnMaNGo

Originally posted by: nemo160
jetta/audi a4 (same basic car...audi is much nicer) for sure
1.8t is an excellent engine, vr6 is even better, both respond well to modification, especially the 1.8t as boost can be increased by chipping
jettas handle great, ride great, seats just feel right
to make a better comparison, vw needs to bring back the corrado heh heh...sweet little cars..really too bad they didn't take off
a4s are all german built and i believe there's still a wolfsburg edition jetta
also...consider which of these cars you'd want at 100k or 150k...jetta hands down..extremely durable
my brother drives an 87 wolfsburg jetta with over 150k on it, fast and handles great
my mom still has an 85 wolfsburg jetta diesel...slow but still looks d*mn near new at over 250k

hrmm I thought A4 = Passat chassis?

Everyone used to use the A1, A2, A3, A4 lingo (which is what I still prefer) until Audi came out with their own model A4 in 1995... made things confusing, so it's kinda dwindled in the VW circles since then. They're now referred to as Mk1, Mk2, Mk3, Mk4 (current). The Mk5s should be out in a year or two!

 

[Triumph]

Yes, what NightFlyer said, the A4 chassis code is different than the A4 model name. The A4 model is the same chassis (very similar, at least) as the Passat, which goes by the chassis code B5. Kinda confusing, but anyway. Subarus are probably more reliable than VW's, and this is coming from a VW fanboy.

 

[bUnMaNGo]

Originally posted by: Triumph
Yes, what NightFlyer said, the A4 chassis code is different than the A4 model name. The A4 model is the same chassis (very similar, at least) as the Passat, which goes by the chassis code B5. Kinda confusing, but anyway. Subarus are probably more reliable than VW's, and this is coming from a VW fanboy.

hrmm yea what I meant was isn't the VW Passat built on the same chassis as an Audi A4, but you guys figured that out anyways

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: LittleWolf

IMO. The reliablility should be worse than the WRX, besides is assamble in Mexico while the WRX is made in japan... .

Oh well... there goes the stereo-typing again... Wonder why Mitsu's thought many are assembled in "Japan" are crappy and "US build" Accords are great.

WRX will give you better performace and is a blast to drive.

Er... is you keep having repeated blasts while driving the WRX, they are known to break their transmissions quite easily... TX have been kinda a bit more fragile on the WRX than expected...

-j

Where did you hear that from? I belong to a WRX enthusiast group and the only problem spots on the WRX that have been reported are the brakes being underpowered (which I might add is easy to fix with a slotted brakepad upgrade).

 

[LittleWolf]

Where did you hear that from? I belong to a WRX enthusiast group and the only problem spots on the WRX that have been reported are the brakes being underpowered (which I might add is easy to fix with a slotted brakepad upgrade).

I remember reading about it when the WRX was initially introduced in US , in a couple of places. I am not sure whether it was a problem with the initial versions. will try and find a link...

-j