Jim Cramer's Dad couldn't vote in PA because of VoterID

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dawp

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I don't need an ID to buy alcohol (well over 26), with direct deposit no need for ID, never once had to provide ID for movie, If you don't drive, ID isn't needed, rarely if ever show an ID for credit/debit card, very few work for the justice dept., and I don't fly, haven't in years, I'd rather drive that put up with the molestation squad.
 

Fenixgoon

Lifer
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i'm pretty sure maryland issues a state ID card (not to be confused with a driver's license of any sort) that way you do have some form of govt-issued ID.

and how does his dad not have a birth certificate or social security card? i can't remember all the different things i needed to prove i was a citizen (for job purposes) but those 2 come to mind.
 

Paratus

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Jun 4, 2004
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So wait a minute are you saying elderly rural people may not be able to vote in this upcoming election? Anyone know who they as a group generally vote for? I'm thinking it's generally not the dems.


Muhaaaaaaaa!

Any conservatives having second thoughts about this?

Sudde
 

LTC8K6

Lifer
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Then there are tons of things his father won't be able to do. Like get in to one of those Obama events. Or fly anywhere.
 

monovillage

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So wait a minute are you saying elderly rural people may not be able to vote in this upcoming election? Anyone know who they as a group generally vote for? I'm thinking it's generally not the dems.


Muhaaaaaaaa!

Any conservatives having second thoughts about this?

Sudde

No, because conservatives and Republicans are smart enough that they have already taken the small and easy steps to prepare for a legal vote. Getting an ID from a State agency isn't brain surgery.
 

Paratus

Lifer
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No, because conservatives and Republicans are smart enough that they have already taken the small and easy steps to prepare for a legal vote. Getting an ID from a State agency isn't brain surgery.

Yes mono they have. Every single one of them.
 

EagleKeeper

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I don't need an ID to buy alcohol (well over 26), with direct deposit no need for ID, never once had to provide ID for movie, If you don't drive, ID isn't needed, rarely if ever show an ID for credit/debit card, very few work for the justice dept., and I don't fly, haven't in years, I'd rather drive that put up with the molestation squad.

Did you have to show ID to open a bank account?

You state you do not fly; but would rather drive; But how without a driver's license.

You may be asked to prove your age when purchasing a controlled substance.
It is optional; up to the discretion of the vendor.

You also stated rarely; what happens if you refuse to show the ID?

you can choose to live without an ID; it can be inconvenient;

However, nothing is stopping you from getting one.
 

EagleKeeper

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No, because conservatives and Republicans are smart enough that they have already taken the small and easy steps to prepare for a legal vote. Getting an ID from a State agency isn't brain surgery.

Yes mono they have. Every single one of them.

Rather than complain that they can not get one and making a big stink; they get off their tailbones and do something about it.

Follows in the general footsteps that the Dem wish to push; lazy ones that refuse to do anything; wanting help from others instead of doing things yourself.
 

diesbudt

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Did you have to show ID to open a bank account?

You state you do not fly; but would rather drive; But how without a driver's license.

You may be asked to prove your age when purchasing a controlled substance.
It is optional; up to the discretion of the vendor.

You also stated rarely; what happens if you refuse to show the ID?

you can choose to live without an ID; it can be inconvenient;

However, nothing is stopping you from getting one.

I have to show ID in almost everything/place I do/go. I think that is the right way to go. You have to have proof. And I am sure there are hundreds of solutions where Jim's dad could have gotten a ID so he could vote. However, maybe they required some effort so he felt it "unfair" and just said he can vote now and how unfair it is.
 

diesbudt

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Rather than complain that they can not get one and making a big stink; they get off their tailbones and do something about it.

Follows in the general footsteps that the Dem wish to push; lazy ones that refuse to do anything; wanting help from others instead of doing things yourself.

Exactly. If you want something done, do it. Don't just sit there and say its unfair because you don't wish to do the same effort (little effort in this case) so you can vote each 2 years.
 

Genx87

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I don't need an ID to buy alcohol (well over 26), with direct deposit no need for ID, never once had to provide ID for movie, If you don't drive, ID isn't needed, rarely if ever show an ID for credit/debit card, very few work for the justice dept., and I don't fly, haven't in years, I'd rather drive that put up with the molestation squad.

What state do you live within that people stop checking you for ID when buying alcohol unless you look like you are 80 years of age? We live in a modern society that requires an ID for all sorts of functions. But voting, the basis of our democracy, is off limits to verify who the hell is voting? It is really illogical. Especially when you toss in states offering free ID's in their Voter ID laws.
 

yllus

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You have to show photo ID up here in Canada to vote. I honestly don't understand the fuss around the issue. You basically can't function in society without it anyways.
 

Pens1566

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Meh, I haven't been carded for booze in ages. And I'm a middle aged white dude that looks younger than my actual age. I also opened a bank account last year without any ID as well. Did it online.

Oh, the rough # of PA residents that will be hit by this law is ~750k or so. You can't tell me that there are that many illegals in the state. Nor are there that many cases of fraud that would warrant the law.
 

EagleKeeper

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Meh, I haven't been carded for booze in ages. And I'm a middle aged white dude that looks younger than my actual age. I also opened a bank account last year without any ID as well. Did it online.

Oh, the rough # of PA residents that will be hit by this law is ~750k or so. You can't tell me that there are that many illegals in the state. Nor are there that many cases of fraud that would warrant the law.

750K do not drive, fly, go to school, changed jobs or have opened a bank account in person the past 5 years?
 

nehalem256

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Meh, I haven't been carded for booze in ages. And I'm a middle aged white dude that looks younger than my actual age. I also opened a bank account last year without any ID as well. Did it online.

Oh, the rough # of PA residents that will be hit by this law is ~750k or so. You can't tell me that there are that many illegals in the state. Nor are there that many cases of fraud that would warrant the law.

The population of Pennsylvania is 12.7million. Given a US pop ~310m yields that ~4% of the US population. With say 10 million illegal immigrants in the US in Pennsylvania has its fair share than there are ~400,000 in the state.

Now as for your ~750k figure. What you mean to say is up to 750K(over half of whom may be illegal immigrants).
 
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dawp

Lifer
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Did you have to show ID to open a bank account?

You state you do not fly; but would rather drive; But how without a driver's license.

You may be asked to prove your age when purchasing a controlled substance.
It is optional; up to the discretion of the vendor.

You also stated rarely; what happens if you refuse to show the ID?

you can choose to live without an ID; it can be inconvenient;

However, nothing is stopping you from getting one.

Depends how many years ago the bank account was opened, that is something that is not changed on a regular basis. anything more that 20 -30 years, probably not.

I have not been carded for alcohol in years, or for any controlled substance.

don't know, have not been asked to show ID for a CC/debit purchase in years.

you can take a bus, don't know if an id is required for that. pretty sure city buses you don't. last time I took a greyhound, I just bought the ticket without ID and got on the bus.
 
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GarfieldtheCat

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Obligatory quotes showing this is all about discriminiation and eliminating votes, and not about voter fraud:

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“There have been no investigations of prosecutions of in-person voter fraud in Pennsylvania; and the parties do not have direct personal knowledge of any such investigations or prosecutions in other states,” according to official state papers sent to the court.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012...-keeping-democrats-from-voting/#ixzz26G8Udfsw

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Pennsylvania House Majority Leader Mike Turzai (R-Allegheny) told the Republican State Committee on Saturday what voting rights advocates have been saying for months: voter ID laws will help will help presumptive Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney win the state.

So no cases of voter fraud, no evidence of voter fraud admitted by Pennsylvania, but we still gotta block lots of people from voting, most of them just happening to vote Democrat.

Yup, no discrimination there. :thumbsdown:
 

Pens1566

Lifer
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750K do not drive, fly, go to school, changed jobs or have opened a bank account in person the past 5 years?

It was calculated from a list of registered voters that didn't have drivers licenses. PA has a huge elderly/rural population so it's more than entirely possible. My grandparents fall into that category as they haven't driven in years.
 

Pens1566

Lifer
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The population of Pennsylvania is 12.7million. Given a US pop ~310m yields that ~4% of the US population. With say 10 million illegal immigrants in the US in Pennsylvania has its fair share than there are ~400,000 in the state.

Now as for your ~750k figure. What you mean to say is up to 750K(over half of whom may be illegal immigrants).

Hey, at least you got the "up to" part right. I guess I figured most intelligent people would realize that was implied anyway ...
 

rudder

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I read through the reddit thread about this:



Probably not a problem for Mr. Cramer's father as his son could probably pay to transport him to get one, but for many people in the middle of nowhere, it's a more considerable effort, especally if you're elderly.

If you are elderly and unable to get around... you can use an absentee ballot. Fail on Jim Cramer's dad.
 

yllus

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No, you don't have to show photo ID in Canada.

I am pretty sure I had to in our last election. Elections Canada seems to agree, though you can apparently use two other forms of voter identification that are also relatively secure.

To vote, you must prove your identity and address. You have three options:

Option 1: Show one original piece of identification with your photo, name and address. It must be issued by a government agency.

Option 2: Show two original pieces of authorized identification. Both pieces must have your name and one must also have your address.

Option 3: Take an oath and have an elector who knows you vouch for you (both of you will be required to make a sworn statement). This person must have authorized identification and their name must appear on the list of electors in the same polling division as you. This person can only vouch for one person and the person who is vouched for cannot vouch for another elector.
 
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