Jim Keller leaves AMD

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What's your argument? That he was let go because his silicon came back and it was disappointing? Wouldn't that be more reason to keep him to correct the issues? If on the other hand, you're arguing he left because the performance was disappointing, then wouldn't it be all the more reason for him to stay to fix the issues since he is the lead on the design and the design is his legacy?

No place for that logic here! Of course you're right - Keller leaving is more likely to mean that Zen has returned fully functional or thereabouts at A0 silicon. Job done, off he goes to someplace else.

If AMD knew Zen was going to be a flop they'd have laid off their whole CPU division instead of letting Keller go. They can't survive another bulldozer.
 

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A prolific CPU designer wouldn't just up and leave before the introduction of his prized CPU design. He likely left because he was fired, AMD couldn't afford him or he was disgusted with AMD (most likely) and decided to bail. Been saying it for a long time now, AMD is in the grave but people are too afraid to call the time of death. Maybe by late next year AMD won't exist and someone more competent will have snatched up it's engineers and IP.
 

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A prolific CPU designer wouldn't just up and leave before the introduction of his prized CPU design. He likely left because he was fired, AMD couldn't afford him or he was disgusted with AMD (most likely) and decided to bail. Been saying it for a long time now, AMD is in the grave but people are too afraid to call the time of death. Maybe by late next year AMD won't exist and someone more competent will have snatched up it's engineers and IP.

You should read up on K8.
 

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He probably retired
Not to be blunt, but who says Keller is anything like his old days today?

He is 53 now, not 42 or 43.

Also, it is just one person:
He is about the ARM K12. Not that a single person changes much, if anything.

I would be very anoyed, if I was one of the 500-1000 other AMD engineers working on the project. Just to hear Jim Keller that is a manager now is the god that sole handed creates the CPU(s) and dictate any success or not.

Also, that is what he does. This is his cowboy style. History seems to be repeating itself:
And rememebr Keller left AMD in 1999. Long before their K8 success.
 

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Keller is not somebody who is there because he "needs the money." He seems to be somebody who genuinely enjoys what he does.

His departure signals that he no longer enjoyed his work at AMD.

I expect to see him pop up at Intel, Qualcomm, or Apple.

Might want to add ARM, Nvidia, Samsung, Sony, LG & however many chinese SoC makers there are now to that list. Personally I think he might end up at Samsung over any other.
 

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He probably retired

Also, it is just one person:

Also, that is what he does. This is his cowboy style. History seems to be repeating itself:

Yes in response to all the blind people thinking he was god and there was no limits to Zen and K12 performance. Hence the usage in the first post.

When the Chief Architect of your CPU division suddenly leaves. Then something is wrong. Either management wise or result wise (Assuming its not some extreme personal issue). Had it been planned in any way, then it would be announced long time a head and a replacement ready.
 

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When the Chief Architect of your CPU division suddenly leaves. Then something is wrong. Either management wise or result wise (Assuming its not some extreme personal issue). Had it been planned in any way, then it would be announced long time a head and a replacement ready.

Can you tell me what was wrong at Apple when he suddenly left them 3 years ago?
 

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Did he suddenly leave without a replacement at Apple? And when he left it was for a new job. What is it this time?

1: Seems that Papermaster will take his place.
2: Why dont we wait and see where he will go next ??
 

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Did he suddenly leave without a replacement at Apple?

Well, why don't you tell us? Anything I've read suggests that AMD poached him and it was a big surprise. Keller has a history of just getting up and going - he's done it in every company he's worked with including as you know AMD before when lead architect of K8. With the design done he'd just be sitting around waiting. Obviously he didn't come cheap so it's likely that AMD just let him go to save money now the job is done.
 
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Perhaps, but the "leaving to pursue other opportunities" cliche usually means something is not going well, either technically or politically.
 

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But the Job isnt done. Zen is far from production ready. It may for the matter still not even work outside simulations.
 

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But the Job isnt done. Zen is far from production ready. It may for the matter still not even work outside simulations.

Or they got it back working great. This is the thing here, we don't know so all we can do is make a best guess on what we do know.

We know that Keller is one of the greatest chip architects of his generation and has never failed. We know that he tends to design great chips then move on. We know that he doesn't come cheap and AMD doesn't have a lot of money to spend on idle designers.

I don't see any good reason to assume he forgot how to design chips all of a sudden.
 

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Or they got it back working great. This is the thing here, we don't know so all we can do is make a best guess on what we do know.

We know that Keller is one of the greatest chip architects of his generation and has never failed. We know that he tends to design great chips then move on.

I don't see any good reason to assume he forgot how to design chips all of a sudden.

You forget the R&D budget. Keller can be the best in the world for the sake of argument. But he is still only 1 person and need 1000, if not 1000s others to complete the design.

If you think the first chip was a perfect homerun. Then I got something to sell you. It would be a miracle if it can even boot windows.
 

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You forget the R&D budget. Keller can be the best in the world for the sake of argument. But he is still only 1 person and need 1000, if not 1000s others to complete the design.

Do you really think that he stayed to design a chip knowing that the R&D budget wasn't good enough to do what he wanted? Why leave after it's done in that case?

If you think the first chip was a perfect homerun. Then I got something to sell you.
It's been done before. Merom and Brazos springs to my mind.
 

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Do you really think that he stayed to design a chip knowing that the R&D budget wasn't good enough to do what he wanted? Why leave after it's done in that case?

AMD R&D budget isn't the same of when Keller was hired, and given the sore state of AMD balance sheet, I'd say that the only thing we can expect for sure is that this R&D budget will be subject to further cuts.
 

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AMD R&D budget isn't the same of when Keller was hired

I already answered that.

and given the sore state of AMD balance sheet, I'd say that the only thing we can expect for sure is that this R&D budget will be subject to further cuts.
You can't say anything for sure. Much of the talk is about a cash injection coming soon, why cut down on vital R&D?
 

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AMDs budget drop from 2012 to now is easily explained without assuming or needed huge cuts to Zen CPU R&D.

Merom and Brazos to name two.

Right, R&D doesnt matter. Whats the next excuse?

Please document it. If Merom was perfect. Then why all the revisions and steppings? Same goes for Brazos.

Also AMD gives a hint.

"Jim’s departure is not expected to impact our public product or technology roadmaps, and we remain on track for “Zen” sampling in 2016 with first full year of revenue in 2017."
 

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AMD has spun off GPUs into its own division. AMD had been robbing GPU to fund CPUs, but those days are over.

Keller leaving could be related to the CPUs decline from prominence within AMD.
 

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You can't say anything for sure. Much of the talk is about a cash injection coming soon, why cut down on vital R&D?

You do know rumours and reality may not be the same thing? Else AMD wouldnt even need a cash injection because it would already be sold 10 times over.

That hints at what? That Zen won't be in the shops before 2nd January 2016? I think we all knew that already.

It means prototypes wont even exist before 2016.
 

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You do know rumours and reality may not be the same thing? Else AMD wouldnt even need a cash injection because it would already be sold 10 times over.

Please document proof of AMD's reduced Zen R&D. You've mentioned it multiple times in this thread so you must have good sources for your information.
 
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