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Atreidin

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I really wasn't implying he retired. He will retire sooner or later but I was trying to say that he probably had a strong influence on the other engineers that are much younger than he is.

Be careful, people prone to extremely hyperbolic interpretations might read what you wrote and claim you're saying Jim Keller was a god among men that did AMD a favor by leaving.
 

Rvenger

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I am sure we will know soon enough. LOL

Now if Raja Koduri left AMD after Keller, then it would be panic mode.
 

AtenRa

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I am sure we will know soon enough. LOL

Now if Raja Koduri left AMD after Keller, then it would be panic mode.

That would be a parody after Koduri just recently became SVP and Chief Architect of Radeon Group. Unless you mean a couple of years from now.
 

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And with Bulldozer they was dancing in the aisles.

If we are to believe AMD, they dont even have a chip that can boot Windows yet.
 

.vodka

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I'll believe that when I see the benchmarks in a year or year and a half's time.


Still, if they get Haswell level performance and at least SB-like power consumption on a modern, competitively priced platform (time to leave AM3+/FM2+ behind) vs intel's 2016/17 offerings, that would be a nice surprise and option considering their limited resources and where they're coming from.

Maybe that is what it'd take for Intel to bring more than 4 cores to the 115x platforms going forward... a little competition. That's it. Not another A64, just enough to stay relevant (more than now, at least.)
 

Ajay

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Haswell level performance would be a big jump from XV, potentially making AMD processors viable, lower cost alternatives to Intel processors.

Well, that would be huge for AMD - particularly if the perf/watt is better (if AMD wants a shot at servers). But, along ShintaiDK's line of thought, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

I won't be fooled again.
 
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Well, that would be huge for AMD - particularly if the perf/watt is better (if AMD wants a shot at servers). But, along ShintaiDK's line of thought, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

I won't be fooled again.

Yeah. We'll have to see how the thing performs in the real world. They might have hit Haswell IPC, but if they can't get clocks up to Haswell levels, then it's pretty moot.

They also have to hit their schedule which will be critical.
 

Ajay

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Maybe that is what it'd take for Intel to bring more than 4 cores to the 115x platforms going forward... a little competition. That's it. Not another A64, just enough to stay relevant (more than now, at least.)

Well, what AMD _really_ needs is another A64, that would turn their CPU biz around - it's just not going to happen on a shoestring budget at this point in x86 development.
 
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Yea, I agree. When Zen was announced, people were speculating SB levels of single thread performance (ipc x clockspeed). Now the hype train has got that up to Haswell level. SB levels seemed optimistic to me, much less Haswell. In any case if they can get SB levels of performance, decent power consumption, and 8 cores for a reasonable price, it will be an attractive for a few users, but until they get an igp integrated it will be a niche product at best for the consumer market.
 

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Rumor has it that he left to go to a company with a much brighter future and has more R&D money than AMD.

The question is, how well will he do at VIA?

People trash talk VIA -- but the company is consistently profitable and makes nice little niche products. They will never be mainstream, but I don't think they really care.
 

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Yea, I agree. When Zen was announced, people were speculating SB levels of single thread performance (ipc x clockspeed). Now the hype train has got that up to Haswell level. SB levels seemed optimistic to me, much less Haswell. In any case if they can get SB levels of performance, decent power consumption, and 8 cores for a reasonable price, it will be an attractive for a few users, but until they get an igp integrated it will be a niche product at best for the consumer market.

Well considering that Kaveri already matches Haswell Celeron single threaded performance (at least at stock clocks).... I don't think Haswell performance is an unreasonable expectation for Zen.
 

.vodka

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Well, what AMD _really_ needs is another A64, that would turn their CPU biz around - it's just not going to happen on a shoestring budget at this point in x86 development.

Which was my point, A64 was a one off because of Intel's desire of chasing clockspeed numbers and a particularly bad interaction of "10GHz-Netburst" with their 90nm process that resulted in Prescott, that's not going to happen again and definitely not on their limited budget this time. Let's be thankful they pulled the plug on Tejas and brought out Conroe. Athlon was great, Athlon 64 was even better, then we got downhill with Phenom. I'm hoping for a competitive product like Phenom II, that's all.

Still, Haswell level performance out of that budget, at a reasonable number of cores (8 probably, especially at 14/16nm) is a force to be reckoned with (5960x for example). That's just a part of the picture though, you've got to consider platform, uncore (cache performance in particular has been a low point for a lot of years for AMD), power consumption, execution as Arachnotronic said... it's a lot of things to cover.

It's not going to be easy for them but if we can even begin to believe they're at such performance levels, it's off on the right foot. Maybe.

I'm on the same line of thought as Shintai and others on this, I won't believe any of it until the benchmarks prove it. I can believe ATI's side of the hype as that half of the company more or less delivers (more than less I'd say), but not AMD's. Not after Bulldozer. Excavator is actually all in all impressive considering where the architecture started from, but it's the same as Netburst's 65nm shrink, irrelevant.

Zen is supposedly a clean sheet design, so if competent people designed it (Keller and his team), there should be competent results at the end... but a lot can go wrong in the path to that end.


I do want to be able to consider AMD again when my 2500k rig either breaks down or doesn't do what I need it to do anymore in the future.

Time will tell.
 
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I feel that when Kabylake hits, AMD will hit Haswell ST performance along Broadwell MT performance.
In few words, one generation behind. But... If AMD enters with a price of a Ivy Bridge counterpart, they can still have a chance

Also if they want to fight... Time to make the MoBo GPU return like the old times, at least for now, or maybe can return for some cases.
 

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You're just bitter because in 2016 you'll be sitting on an expensive and slow 4 core Intel CPU, while others will be using a cheaper and faster 8 core AMD CPU.

Looks to me Zen's schedule may have slipped. I haven't paid close attention, when AMD has said 2016 for Zen, did they say only samples?

Looks like Zen slipped to 2017 for public availability. So no, you will not be using a faster and cheaper 8 core AMD CPU in 2016.

Take away: Don't believe marketing slides.
 

Ajay

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Bah. I'm getting out of this thread while the getting is good. When we get some good leaks on Zen, it'll be worth talking about (or not).
 

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Haswell level performance would be a big jump from XV, potentially making AMD processors viable, lower cost alternatives to Intel processors.
Despite any IPC improvement, this is 14nm vs 22nm. So if AMD leaves some architectural improvements on the table, the process difference should also help a bit in getting closer to HSW.
And with Bulldozer they was dancing in the aisles.

If we are to believe AMD, they dont even have a chip that can boot Windows yet.
They might try FreeDOS and Dhrystone.
 
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That dire situation didn't prevent AMD BoD to give heavy pay rises for themselves. AMD BoD received 75% of the money Intel BoD gets in annual compensation, but they are not even close to give 75% of what Intel BoD gives to their shareholders.
AMD's board has been in it for themselves since Sanders retired.
 
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