Do you really think they forgot to mention Zen would ship for revenue in 2016 if that were in fact the plan?
All they're saying is they don't expect a full year's worth of revenue out of Zen until 2017, and that it samples in 2016. That isn't mutually exclusive from a Q3 or Q4 2016 launch, though other statements HAVE placed Zen in Q4 (instead of Q3).
Do you really think they forgot to mention Zen would ship for revenue in 2016 if that were in fact the plan?
Seriously to re-quote your trollish post:
"Who would bother with AMD right now when so many large corporations, universities, and other organizations are in the process of switching out hardware, oftentimes for reasons of tax writeoffs?"
GUESS WHO BUYS COMPUTERS FOR THESE RESPECTIVE THINGS????
Hint: IT MANAGERS
Get a clue, Chris. You don't even know what you said. It's just plain sad.
There's no way to recommend any AMD processor to any one with 2-4 year old Intel-based complete machines being sold for $200 - $400 through refurbs and reclaimers.
Likely the dumbest thing I've read on the internet this year.
Good luck staying employed as an IT manager buying refurbs. But thanks for the laugh.
The Intel fanboy-ism kills me though: Oh, yeah -- I can buy a 2-4 year off lease machine with capacitors, video cards, power supplies, motherboards and hard drives with thousands of hours of usage on them ready to die at a moments notice.... All of which are likely years outside of warranty...... and I'd rather put them into the workplace where reliability is absolutely essential......
.....and that is a better strategy than buying brand new components because clearly an AMD cpu can't run a word processor. /sarcasm off
LOL.... FYI, you wouldn't be employed very long as an IT manager if you actually did this.
EPIC FAIL.
Yeah..... because running Microsoft Excel and Word really needs an 8 thread CPU.
CATASTROPHIC EPIC FAIL.
Isn't AMD also in a quiet period, so they can't say everything they want to say...they just tell people the bare minimum that they had to tell.
Quiet period is a myth.
AMD has issued revenue warnings during "quiet period," so yeah pretty much.
They also fired their former CEO in quiet period, and even organized a Q&A with investors to explain things.
Rage is clouding your reading comprehension, he clearly said those institutions were SELLING the used machines. He offered the example of buying a used machine on newegg, obviously referring to a personal, not corporate, purchase.
Negative -- it was all a single post and you are now reading in more than was actually written.
He started the post about these respective institutions -- with the implication being these institutions would also be better off running the existing machines that are now out of warranty instead of buying/leasing new equipment.
It is a dumb sentiment -- and nobody in IT would risk their job doing it. When desktops are out of warranty / respective lease, an IT manager is going to order new equipment.
Who would buy a $50 chip, then have to buy a $50 motherboard, then buy $50 in RAM, then buy a $50 - 75 hard drive, then a $20 - 50 power supply and a $20 to $50 case? Don't forget the OS license.
CPU prices alone doesn't matter. For the first time in a very long time, we're seeing such minuscule performance gains to the average user that whenever someone in my family wants a new computer, I just search through refurbishers and reclaimers now and pick them up an old office machine.
For $380 I got an old Dell Optiplex with an Intel i7 3770, 16 GB of RAM, 500 GB hard drive, Windows 7 Pro, etc.
No matter how low AMD goes, there's a huge influx of machines being turned over for "new models" that no one really needs, but that businesses will buy for tax write-offs. The receptionist working on Outlook 2013 won't see a difference in an i7 3770 and an i7-6700, but you'll see a hell of a lot of different in an AMD Athlon X4 anything vs. an i7 anything.
Hell, i7-2600 machines can be had for as little as $225 and probably lower if you looked around hard.
Do you really think they forgot to mention Zen would ship for revenue in 2016 if that were in fact the plan?
Seriously to re-quote your trollish post:
"Who would bother with AMD right now when so many large corporations, universities, and other organizations are in the process of switching out hardware, oftentimes for reasons of tax writeoffs?"
GUESS WHO BUYS COMPUTERS FOR THESE RESPECTIVE THINGS????
Hint: IT MANAGERS
Get a clue, Chris. You don't even know what you said. It's just plain sad.
Why would I buy an AMD anything brand new when I can spend $299 and get a Core i7 based machine that only needs a decent video card to be a solid performer?
What if it breaks you say? Let me help you out with that. Who gives a damn, I'll buy another and drop the video card into the new machine and sell off the working parts and STILL COME OUT AHEAD, JACKASS.
Now, since you want to argue with me about IT, let's argue... why would any IT manager buy an AMD processor for a corporation or university? Even if you save money with the price of the CPU, guess what you don't save money on, jackass.
Power.
Intel Core i5-4570T - 35 watts. 2 cores. 4 threads. 2.9 gHz. You wanna put it up against a comparable AMD processor? I'm all for it.
You wanna compare by TDP? AMD Athlon 5350 - 25 watts. 4 cores. 4 threads. 2.05 gHz.
You wanna compare by performance? First off, good luck even finding an AMD processor that'll compete in the same price range... BUT EVEN IF YOU DO... GUESS WHAT HOSS... POWER. You still have to worry about... POWER.
The next AMD solution jumps up to 65 watts... minimum. Hell, An A10-7800 won't even match that processor. You're going to need to jump up to 95 watt TDP processors.
That. matters. Because when I have 600 computers to worry about, all consuming 60 more watts, that's 18000 watts, 12 hours a day, at 12 cents an hour, which is $18921.6 a year. We keep machines for 3 years. That's $56764.8 over their lifetime.
The low TDP Intel machines cost $94.60 less each over their lifetime to run.
A sinking one would.You would think a sinking ship would have more leaks.
1. That Core i7 comes with a 300W, you will not be able to install a fast GPU.
2. And you will spend more money than buying a new Core i5 Skylake.
Core i5 4570T cost $199
Athlon 5350 cost $53
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So you see that Intel CPUs are not always the better choice, depending on the workload the AMD APUs can be more than competitive. At some workloads the AMD APUs are far better than the Intel CPUs even at half the price and half the TDPs.
Nice graphs but I see you've used faster ddr3-2133 memory (vs 1600 for Intel) for the FM2 testbed.
Why would I buy an AMD anything brand new when I can spend $299 and get a Core i7 based machine that only needs a decent video card to be a solid performer?
1. That Core i7 comes with a 300W, you will not be able to install a fast GPU.
You really should re-read his post. You got it completely wrong.
Why would I buy an AMD anything brand new when I can spend $299 and get a Core i7 based machine that only needs a decent video card to be a solid performer? What if it breaks you say? Let me help you out with that. Who gives a damn, I'll buy another and drop the video card into the new machine and sell off the working parts and STILL COME OUT AHEAD, JACKASS.
Deal. With. It.
Versus a brand new six or eight core AMD cpu -- that can be bolted into a gaming ATX case with a modern power supply... That could use an SLI or Crossfire motherboard..... Or investing the money in a brand new solid state. You've got such bad advice -- it defies logic.
A modern power supply to power an ancient platform. Oh, the irony.
But still you haven't addressed the huge power consumption bill that picking AMD would bring to his scenario, that kills whatever prospects of AMD getting corporate sales, because even if the new parts to refurbish the workstation ends up costing more, his company will end up with a smaller carbon footprint with Intel CPUs than with AMD CPUs.ç
A modern power supply to power an ancient platform. Oh, the irony.
But still you haven't addressed the huge power consumption bill that picking AMD would bring to his scenario, that kills whatever prospects of AMD getting corporate sales, because even if the new parts to refurbish the workstation ends up costing more, his company will end up with a smaller carbon footprint with Intel CPUs than with AMD CPUs.ç