job acceptance protocol

NetWareHead

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Situation that I went through several years ago that another friend of mine went through. I thought I would ask the crew here for opinions...

Situation: I was working at job A for several years and was secretly job hunting on the side. I found a nice job and was accepted after several rounds of interviews (job B). During the last interview, job B gave me a start date. I was set to give job A my 2 week notice when job B calls me up and requests from my some documentation that they will need to give to their HR dept in preparation for my start.

At this time I was notified that I would need to pass a criminal background check, credit check and drug test. I asked job B why wasn't this mentioned to me at our last interview? I was seconds away from giving my two week notice to job A and I get notified that I still need to fulfill requirements in order for job B to hire me. So I notified job B that I would need to have a concrete job offer on the table or else I cannot give my 2 weeks notice to job A. I said that I would cooperate and provide all documents necessary and do a drug test to get the concrete job offer from them.

Job B was pissed and asked me to start anyway while we get the tests underway but I ended up withdrawing my acceptance. I could not quit job A to work at job B where I was still having to jump through hoops to get hired.

This came up recently with a friend of mine. She was accepted for job at a hospital and was psyched to start. She gave her 2 weeks notice to job A, and took a drug test for job B. She doesn't use any kind of drugs so she had nothing to fear. Turns out she was rejected from job B due to a drug test showing too many "nitrates". Some doctors she asked about these results said that nitrates could have resulted from OTC cough medicine. Now she doesn't have either job A or B and is looking for work.

Opinions?
 

Mike Gayner

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You're worried about failing a drug test or being rejected because of your criminal history? Shit dude, they told you to start. They don't want to reject you.
 

BoomerD

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Friday afternoon before starting the new job..

"Oh, by the way, I won't be here on Monday. I have a new job. Mail my final paycheck."
 

NetWareHead

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You're worried about failing a drug test or being rejected because of your criminal history? Shit dude, they told you to start. They don't want to reject you.

Well look at what happened to my friend, who got canned for nitrates in her blood during a blood test. My point is that if the job is offered, it should not be offered contingent upon a successful xyz tests. Besides, all of that stuff is pretty much left up to the discretion of management in charge, What if I dont have a high enough credit score? Or the misdemeanor I received during college years is actually a disqualifying offense?
 

BoomerD

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That only works if you've killed a man.

No wonder it's worked so well for me over the decades...


Note...this isn't recommended for most "office-type" jobs...it seems to follow you around.
"oh, that guy. He quit with no notice. Really left us in a lurch."
 

Patranus

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There is no job until you are hired. Just because you came to an agreement doesn't mean shit until you are 'i's are dotted and the 't's are crossed.
 

Bignate603

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No wonder it's worked so well for me over the decades...


Note...this isn't recommended for most "office-type" jobs...it seems to follow you around.
"oh, that guy. He quit with no notice. Really left us in a lurch."

Yeah, I wouldn't try that at my job. My industry isn't that huge and its possible that in a few years I'll end up working at the same company again or with the same people. When people leave they try to do it on as good of terms as possible.
 

gophins72

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Job B was pissed and asked me to start anyway while we get the tests underway but I ended up withdrawing my acceptance. I could not quit job A to work at job B where I was still having to jump through hoops to get hired.

Opinions?

My opinion is that this is a red flag and you made the right decision. a week or so more waiting for the results to come back (these things shouldn't take more than a few days anyways) is not going to kill anyone.
 

Check

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There is no job until you are hired. Just because you came to an agreement doesn't mean shit until you are 'i's are dotted and the 't's are crossed.

this.

Tell job B that you can't start until 2 weeks after everything is signed. If they don't understand then fuck em.
 

Bignate603

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Also, they waited this long to do the drug and criminal check? For every job I've been offered if they were going to do a drug test they told you about it when they made the offer, and usually said that it had to be done in the next few days or the offer would be withdrawn. I assumed that they had ran the criminal background check before they even made me the offer.
 

ussfletcher

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My jobs haven't drug tested me until my first week of employment. I don't really understand that logic, meh.
 

D1gger

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No wonder it's worked so well for me over the decades...


Note...this isn't recommended for most "office-type" jobs...it seems to follow you around.
"oh, that guy. He quit with no notice. Really left us in a lurch."

By the way BoomerD, that doesn't fly too well in the construction field either. I have put people on a do not rehire list who have done that to me in the middle of a construction project.
 

Sahakiel

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By the way BoomerD, that doesn't fly too well in the construction field either. I have put people on a do not rehire list who have done that to me in the middle of a construction project.

The situation he's describing only really applies after you kill someone.

aka. contract assassination.
 

DaTT

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Friday afternoon before starting the new job..

"Oh, by the way, I won't be here on Monday. I have a new job. Mail my final paycheck."

I did this once, about 11 years ago. I still regret doing it to this very day.
 

BoomerD

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By the way BoomerD, that doesn't fly too well in the construction field either. I have put people on a do not rehire list who have done that to me in the middle of a construction project.

Pay me now, or pay me later. The union hall won't tolerate your "do not hire list" unless you've blacklisted someone for good cause. Dragging up w/o notice isn't "good cause."

Besides, if I disliked the job enough to quit w/o notice...I probably don't want to work for you again anyway.
 

JEDIYoda

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There is no job until you are hired. Just because you came to an agreement doesn't mean shit until you are 'i's are dotted and the 't's are crossed.

Damn this is the 2nd time I have agreed with Patranus...hmmmm
 

SuperjetMatt

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Well look at what happened to my friend, who got canned for nitrates in her blood during a blood test. My point is that if the job is offered, it should not be offered contingent upon a successful xyz tests. Besides, all of that stuff is pretty much left up to the discretion of management in charge, What if I dont have a high enough credit score? Or the misdemeanor I received during college years is actually a disqualifying offense?

Pretty much every job offer I have ever received in writing has had a drug test clause in it.
"yeah, we'd like to offer you this job. *You must pass the drug test and criminal background check"

It's standard as far as I know.
 

Mike Gayner

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I've never been subject to a drug test, and wouldn't ever work for an employer who required me to take one.
 

classy

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One its pretty much standard protocol to expect to do a drug test and pass a criminal and credit check today. Its pretty much assinine to even question a company why they didn't mention those things. I have been working almost 20 years now and have passed everything from fbi background checks to credit, criminal, and drug screens. I worked at a hospital for several years as well. I have never heard of anyone ever failing a drug test for cold medicine. Sorry sounds like bs to me. Standard protocol is to recieve job offer, take the drug test, let background and credit checks come through (usually just hours for credit results), recieve official offer letter, then give two weeks notice.
 

SuperjetMatt

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Gayner: You wouldn't work in the US then.

(But I agree with your point. I just can't afford to agree in practice)
 

Vic Vega

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Just be up front with company B and let them know that you can't/won't give notice at your present employer until they have all their ducks in a row. Any reasonable person would accept your answer.
 

Mike Gayner

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Why are you guys subject to a credit check for a job? This makes no sense to me. Do they also inspect your house to ensure there's nothing untoward there? If not, they will soon by the sound of it.
 
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