Job creation plan for rural America

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The south is fucked. Some places function correctly but fuck that place.

That's more east than south. You look at many of the same problems in West Virginia and then realize they are only 2-5 hours from DC.
 

K1052

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Deere is a bit of a different beast given that they have a yuuuge ag and consumer base literally wrapped around them. They stand to lose a lot more than Cat does since cat is a much more international presence than domestic one. Not saying it won't happen, but Cat had a safer exit route.

It's been rumored off and on that a C-suite move has been considered but I think most of it is speculation...thus far.
 

senseamp

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A big Trump supporter at he office told me that Americans would take those jobs. I asked him if he personally knew any who would...que the blank stare.
That's where welfare reform comes in to force the rural Republicans to go into the fields or starve.
 
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brycejones

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To much meth production has been offshored those are high paying jobs that could easily be brought back to rural America with a few minor legal tweaks.
 
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To much meth production has been offshored those are high paying jobs that could easily be brought back to rural America with a few minor legal tweaks.

I say legalize pot and put them in charge of farming it. It's already a huge industry here. Just not legal.
 

senseamp

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We had some mudslides here in California, and I was wondering why Trump doesn't scoop up a bunch of his rural rust belt supporters and bust them to tent camps here to repair roads? They should be eager for the work, and the weather is nice.
 
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raildogg

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Manufacturing plants will not realistically bring a large number of jobs (to the US) these days, since automation will handle everything and human labor in the US is too expensive. Consolidation is natural and will continue. If you aren't a farmer, you should probably move. Eventually this won't work either, and we'll either have some kind of base income, or dystopia.
I have to ask why are the elites pushing so much automation and technology? They definitely know that it will hurt many people and despite that, they are going that route. They brought us Facebook, Twitter, smartphones, etc. for a reason. Now they want to rapidly bring us automated cars and other technologies. I'm not sure that it's for the betterment of society in the long term. Who knows though.
 

Pens1566

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I have to ask why are the elites pushing so much automation and technology? They definitely know that it will hurt many people and despite that, they are going that route. They brought us Facebook, Twitter, smartphones, etc. for a reason. Now they want to rapidly bring us automated cars and other technologies. I'm not sure that it's for the betterment of society in the long term. Who knows though.

Uh, more profits? Is it that hard to figure out?
 

sdifox

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I have to ask why are the elites pushing so much automation and technology? They definitely know that it will hurt many people and despite that, they are going that route. They brought us Facebook, Twitter, smartphones, etc. for a reason. Now they want to rapidly bring us automated cars and other technologies. I'm not sure that it's for the betterment of society in the long term. Who knows though.
No one is stopping you from buying a Mennonite Buggy.
 
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K1052

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I have to ask why are the elites pushing so much automation and technology? They definitely know that it will hurt many people and despite that, they are going that route. They brought us Facebook, Twitter, smartphones, etc. for a reason. Now they want to rapidly bring us automated cars and other technologies. I'm not sure that it's for the betterment of society in the long term. Who knows though.

Technological progression isn't an "elite" conspiracy.
 
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raildogg

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No one is stopping you from buying a Mennonite Buggy.
This is true. No one is stopping me. But things are changing rapidly in this world and all of that change is out of our control. This world's future is being determined by the very tiny few.

But thanks anyway though.
 

fskimospy

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I have to ask why are the elites pushing so much automation and technology? They definitely know that it will hurt many people and despite that, they are going that route. They brought us Facebook, Twitter, smartphones, etc. for a reason. Now they want to rapidly bring us automated cars and other technologies. I'm not sure that it's for the betterment of society in the long term. Who knows though.

Automation and technology is what liberated mankind from the Malthusian paradox. The reason why you're typing on your computer today as opposed to slaving away on a subsistence farm is because technology and automation has made it possible to produce with 2% of our population what once took 95%.

The ability to automate away human labor is the greatest contributor to human welfare in history. The idea that we should have millions of people driving cars and trucks around in a less efficient and far more dangerous way just so that they are still employed is insane.
 

sdifox

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This is true. No one is stopping me. But things are changing rapidly in this world and all of that change is out of our control. This world's future is being determined by the very tiny few.

But thanks anyway though.

They are innovating, but not all innovations are adopted.
 

agent00f

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Has anyone seen a viable plan for creating jobs for rural America? Over the past 30 years we've seen industries consolidate and manufacturing moved overseas. Small factories seem to be a dying breed and even if we can attract more large manufacturing plants into the US, will they end up In cities like Beattyville, Kentucky? Is the plan ultimately to have people move to where the jobs are?

I touched on this in the post here: http://www.portvapes.co.uk/?id=Latest-exam-1Z0-876-Dumps&exid=thread...endents-wont-bothsides.2499400/#post-38741619

The time to act if these people are worth saving was about a few decades ago. That war was long lost and they certainly helped pave their own demise. Of course people like that will never take any responsibility and blame themselves, which is why you see them all giddy to scapegoat lower status minorities instead.

Personally I'd rather see tax money go to more worthwhile instead of completely lost causes.
 
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raildogg

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Automation and technology is what liberated mankind from the Malthusian paradox. The reason why you're typing on your computer today as opposed to slaving away on a subsistence farm is because technology and automation has made it possible to produce with 2% of our population what once took 95%.

The ability to automate away human labor is the greatest contributor to human welfare in history. The idea that we should have millions of people driving cars and trucks around in a less efficient and far more dangerous way just so that they are still employed is insane.
Ever see the movie Wall-E? Yeah, everything is automated there too.

If our robot friends will do everything for us in the future, will that not make us humans even more complacent and accepting of authoritarian regimes? I mean, we're already lazy and willing to accept whatever they give us today. I can only imagine the future. A land of useless, superficial beings that are controlled by the .0001%.

But yeah, it might be very efficient though.
 
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agent00f

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Trump literally told them that they would win so much they would be sick of winning. Now he is sending their children into another war.

Mommy back home gets a job in the munitions factory when sonny goes to shoot them a-rabs so it's all good.
 
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fskimospy

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Ever see the movie Wall-E? Yeah, everything is automated there too.

If our robot friends will do everything for us in the future, will that not make us humans even more complacent and accepting of authoritarian regimes? I mean, we're already lazy and willing to accept whatever they give us today. I can only imagine the future. A land of useless, superficial beings that are controlled by the .0001%.

But yeah, it might be very efficient though.

Well while you're cursing technology for our impending dystopian robot future you can also think it for taking infant mortality from 30-50% to like 0.6%, which could very well be the reason you're able to type this.
 

raildogg

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Well while you're cursing technology for our impending dystopian robot future you can also think it for taking infant mortality from 30-50% to like 0.6%, which could very well be the reason you're able to type this.
No I am not cursing technology. But we should be aware of all things and this is one area that many don't seem to be aware of. Of course there are good things like certain medical advancements. No denying that at all.
 
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Blame the almighty dollar for automation. Robots don't get pregnant, sick, strike, need health insurance or 401k matches. If it was cheaper and more in interest of the company to employ humans then humans would be employed.
 

raildogg

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Blame the almighty dollar for automation. Robots don't get pregnant, sick, strike, need health insurance or 401k matches. If it was cheaper and more in interest of the company to employ humans then humans would be employed.

In the end, the worship of money and power reigns supreme.
 
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Spungo

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Waayy deep in their cores a lot of people know this but are unable to truly face the reality of their situations.
Well said. My dad came from a family of 7 kids. 6 of them left that town, all 6 moved out of state, and all 6 did very well for themselves. That's the reality of the world. You need to move. I would like to think I can stay in my current location for the next 40 years, but that's a very long time. A lot can change in 40 years. Did anyone expect GM to go bankrupt? Did anyone predict the internet or cell phones? Around 2003 or so, I remember that only drug dealers had cell phones. A decade later, elementary school kids have cell phones.

Rotary phones are not coming back, and last century's jobs are not coming back. New jobs are being created, and they might be in another city or another state. There must be some way we can help people find those jobs.
 

senseamp

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There is nothing bad about automation. It actually creates wealth. If your car can drive itself in the near future, it's like you have a chauffeur, which only the wealthy can afford now, so effectively average people will have gained wealth. The problem is with wealth distribution to take care of those who are currently making a living driving. But that's a taxation and spending problem, but still a net positive.
 
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