clamum

Lifer
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So I've finally decided to do something about my unhappiness at work so last Friday I called the recruiter that got me my current position and said I wanted out, lol.

Two of the positions he sent to me so far had on-call duties, just like the place I'm at, so I said those were no-gos. On-call isn't the only thing I don't like about my current position but it's one of the things. I definitely know there's jobs out there that don't require that; heck my previous two positions didn't.

Then another one he sent seemed good, but I'm pretty sure he mentioned that I'd be the sole developer there, like a one-man team thing.

Would you guys (devs especially) want to do that, be on a one-man team? I feel kinda negatively about it but I think I'm gonna at least see if I can get an interview and learn more about the position, because I don't really know anything about it and who knows, maybe it's great. Plus I'm kinda desperate to GTFO where I'm at.
 

highland145

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Would you rather do jobs/projects by yourself or with a group? Personality/skill level/confidence...


the distinction between "objective" and "subjective" personalities. Most people have objective personalities. They prefer working with and through other people. Subjective individuals are more "task-oriented" and prefer working as individuals, in fields were success depends on their knowledge or expertise.
 

purbeast0

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It would depend on how long you will be doing it yourself. I've started projects being the only developer and as they've gotten bigger, had some help come on board.

I've also developed little utilities that take like a few days or a week to make, and then there is very little maintenance to them, and I'm the only developer on it.

I've also developed on teams and prefer smaller teams of like 3-5 devs over teams of like 10-12, unless those are split into smaller teams.

I would never work somewhere that requires on call duty either.
 
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JEDIYoda

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I can see it all now -- "ring" "ring" -- Hello clamum here! How can I help you?
Hey dude your were on the on call list and well its late and we haven`t ate yet. Could you drop by Dominos and pickup some.....CLANK!!!!!
 
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clamum

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LOL JEDIYoda.

Hmm. Yeah I see what you're saying, purbeast0. I wouldn't mind if I was the only one for a while, and they eventually hired at least one or two more people to fill out a team, but always being the sole person there? Eh. Don't really care for the sound of that, to be honest. I think I'll still get some more info on it.

For your question, highland145, according to that I have a highly subjective personality. That being said, I have no problem working with a team of developers and in fact would probably prefer it to working completely alone.
 
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nakedfrog

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I've been the only developer in various situations, generally not more than a month or two, with the exception of this year where it's been just me since February. There are a couple guys at another location that I've provided triage documentation to so someone can at least look at things while I'm on vacation if things go south. I don't mind being the only person so long as there are reasonable expectations (and there always have been, so far).

If you were coming into that solo spot, would you be writing new stuff, or picking up where someone else left off? Kinda sucks when no one knows how a thing works and there's no one to ask questions about it, but it can be an interesting challenge
 

clamum

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I've been the only developer in various situations, generally not more than a month or two, with the exception of this year where it's been just me since February. There are a couple guys at another location that I've provided triage documentation to so someone can at least look at things while I'm on vacation if things go south. I don't mind being the only person so long as there are reasonable expectations (and there always have been, so far).

If you were coming into that solo spot, would you be writing new stuff, or picking up where someone else left off? Kinda sucks when no one knows how a thing works and there's no one to ask questions about it, but it can be an interesting challenge
Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm not sure at all on details, that recruiter didn't reply to me today.

Funnily enough, out of the blue another recruiter emailed me today about a position in downtown Detroit. I said I wasn't really interested in that location and she later came back and said after talking to the hiring manager, they'd be OK with the person working completely remotely except for deadlines or big meetings. Hmmm. Despite me being a non-people person, in general, I don't know if I'd be a fan of all remote either. I don't care for working remote at my current job but that's partially due to it being super laggy.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Thanks for sharing your experience. I'm not sure at all on details, that recruiter didn't reply to me today.

Funnily enough, out of the blue another recruiter emailed me today about a position in downtown Detroit. I said I wasn't really interested in that location and she later came back and said after talking to the hiring manager, they'd be OK with the person working completely remotely except for deadlines or big meetings. Hmmm. Despite me being a non-people person, in general, I don't know if I'd be a fan of all remote either. I don't care for working remote at my current job but that's partially due to it being super laggy.

I've worked 100% remotely for years and love it. I save time not having to drive to/from work and can do tasks around the house during lunch, breaks, etc, freeing me up for more leisure time at night and on the weekends.
 

Red Squirrel

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For a small company I think being a one man team could be cool as long as there's not crazy pressure and the people you work for are reasonable. After a failed deployment for a travel agency my company got me to go work on site and I was basically in charge of getting it working after the fact as they could not afford to have the whole team working on that, so I practically worked there for a few weeks alone and had my own temp "office". If that was a permanent gig where I'm "the guy" for a small business like that I think it would be kinda fun. Stressful when stuff ain't working though but as long as the people there are reasonable I think it would be ok.

One thing that would be awesome is a 100% remote job. I would need to really force myself to go out on my days off and try to make more friends though so I'm not 100% sheltered at home all the time. But would be great to be able to fully set myself up nicely like I want at home an do my job without interruptions. Also would move out of the city and build an off grid cabin and work from there. Hardly no bills so more money left for toys, savings etc.
 
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IndyColtsFan

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For a small company I think being a one man team could be cool as long as there's not crazy pressure and the people you work for are reasonable. After a failed deployment for a travel agency my company got me to go work on site and I was basically in charge of getting it working after the fact as they could not afford to have the whole team working on that, so I practically worked there for a few weeks alone and had my own temp "office". If that was a permanent gig where I'm "the guy" for a small business like that I think it would be kinda fun. Stressful when stuff ain't working though but as long as the people there are reasonable I think it would be ok.

It depends on where you are in your career IMO. A small shop where you're the main guy is good when you first start out or when you're at the end of your career and want to wind down in a relatively stress-free environment. Being "the guy" at a small shop when you're in the middle of your career is career suicide, especially if you've been in that position for 5+ years. It's funny when I meet folks with these incredibly impressive titles and then find out that their company has like 30 people - I roll my eyes, laugh, and move right on because it's hard to take them seriously. My wife's friend is like that - her company has like 27 people and she has al these executive titles but in fact, she is nothing more than an Office Manager. Her idea of "stressful work" is making HR binders for 27 people and she posts about it on Facebook, not realizing people are laughing at her. She likes being a big fish in a small pond but has effectively wrecked her career and any good prospects outside that company.

When you're getting up there in years like I am, I can see the day where I flip over to a low stress job and coast to retirement. A one-man shop might be good for that, or a government job. I'll give myself about 5 or 6 more years of the grind and start looking at one of those positions.
 

highland145

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Detroit....remote to South Fla? ... the latter, IMO.

And way back up to the subjective....it depends on the control/knowledge I have/had. I managed 5 offices/15 employees/4500 accounts...."Do what I say because I'm right". 32 years trumps your 6 mo of "I think..."

When I have helped my bro, the plumber, ( Ma's house) WTF ever he said, master trumps peon every time.

Despite me being a non-people person
I fucking hate dealing with people. The profession that chose me, "gifted" me with the ability to adjust and talk to just about anyone...and before I grill their cat for non payment.
 
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Red Squirrel

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It depends on where you are in your career IMO. A small shop where you're the main guy is good when you first start out or when you're at the end of your career and want to wind down in a relatively stress-free environment. Being "the guy" at a small shop when you're in the middle of your career is career suicide, especially if you've been in that position for 5+ years. It's funny when I meet folks with these incredibly impressive titles and then find out that their company has like 30 people - I roll my eyes, laugh, and move right on because it's hard to take them seriously. My wife's friend is like that - her company has like 27 people and she has al these executive titles but in fact, she is nothing more than an Office Manager. Her idea of "stressful work" is making HR binders for 27 people and she posts about it on Facebook, not realizing people are laughing at her. She likes being a big fish in a small pond but has effectively wrecked her career and any good prospects outside that company.

When you're getting up there in years like I am, I can see the day where I flip over to a low stress job and coast to retirement. A one-man shop might be good for that, or a government job. I'll give myself about 5 or 6 more years of the grind and start looking at one of those positions.

Meh I feel if you can find yourself in a "small shop" and is low stress and it pays well then that's a win. Basically the best low stress to money ratio is the best place to be. I'm kind of there myself. Big company but my role is just not all that stressful. The only real stress is worrying that they decide to cut our department or something, but that uncertainty is everywhere now days so I try not to let it worry me. Worse case scenario they do cut this department and I end up having to sell the house and go live with my parents. Hopefully it does not happen but that's the worse case, not like I'll be on the street or anything.
 

IndyColtsFan

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Meh I feel if you can find yourself in a "small shop" and is low stress and it pays well then that's a win. Basically the best low stress to money ratio is the best place to be. I'm kind of there myself. Big company but my role is just not all that stressful. The only real stress is worrying that they decide to cut our department or something, but that uncertainty is everywhere now days so I try not to let it worry me. Worse case scenario they do cut this department and I end up having to sell the house and go live with my parents. Hopefully it does not happen but that's the worse case, not like I'll be on the street or anything.

Obviously it all depends on your priorities in life, but if you stay in a one-person shop as something like an IT person for 5+ years, you're going to lose marketability to larger companies (which pay much better) and have to start low on the totem pole to get your foot in the door. My experience with small companies in terms of technology is that they cut corners big time, lack standardization, and adopt a lax attitude towards governance, and the folks working in that area pick up these bad habits. That won't serve them well at future companies.

I mentioned something earlier that I wanted to talk about again for anyone thinking about looking for a job - the inflated titles small companies give the lone IT guy aren't fooling anyone, so don't let these companies con you by pretending the title makes up for lack of pay and will command respect on the market. If you're an "IT Director" at a small company and you're the only IT guy, you're not going to jump to a director-level position at a big company and command the big bucks. You won't have the applicable experience, particularly on the business side. Believe me, I know - I've been on hiring teams at several companies and the lone IT guy types with inflated titles are the guys we can spot a mile away and place at the bottom of the stack. So, I'm going to stick by my advice - if you're out of school or in the last few years of your career, small shops can be great for learning or putting decades of experience in big companies to use for a relatively stress free last few years. If you want to make more money and are a geek who loves technology and wants to expand and play with it, a small company will NEVER work long-term and will stunt your career if you stay more than a few years. You won't get to play with things like enterprise SANs, server clusters, converged infrastructures, cloud infrastructures, SaaS, PaaS, etc. at a small company in the vast majority of cases. At the really small shops, you'll probably even get stuck working on "servers" which are desktops and workstations which aren't standardized and were just purchased as Best Buy specials.

I started in a small, regional IT office for a Fortune 500 company which, through acquisitions and mergers, became a Fortune 20 company (Compaq). After 5 years in various positions (from server engineer to business unit IT manager), I elected to jump ship once the HP merger was announced and have remained in senior technical roles at large companies (with one exception) ever since. The one exception was the major sports org I've often mentioned - it had a few hundred employees but hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue every year, so it had a professional IT environment with enterprise-grade equipment. I then made the jump into consulting and my salary skyrocketed. I have no desire to ever go into management again, because I can make as much or more money as a consultant and I get to play with technology and learn new things. I would never have had these opportunities if I were a one-man shop at a company with 30 people my whole career. Is consulting easy and stress free? Hell no - it's hard and often stressful, but the pay and chance to learn new things is better than anywhere I've worked.
 
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Red Squirrel

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In my experience most companies usually hire internally for higher end position anyway. No matter what you'll never start at a different company and get right into a high end job. Normally you work help desk and then work your way up. The better your skills are the faster that may happen, so if you work a small shop that does not have much tech you probably do want to still keep up to date with that stuff if you feel that job is not secure and you may need to jump ship.

Usually for management there is already someone lined up, and the job posting never even goes out. The change just happens, and since it's not unionized they can do that. For unionized they still have to post it, but stuff like network or server tech they normally have someone lined up already as well they just post it for procedure sake. Ex: a server job comes out, someone from help desk gets it. Then a help desk job opens. That will then typically go external.

And yeah I do laugh at the fancy titles too. Sometimes they even make up stuff to sound fancy. I probably would not put that on a resume, and just put the real thing.
 

IndyColtsFan

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In my experience most companies usually hire internally for higher end position anyway.

I think most companies would like to do that, but at the end of the day, they need experience and low ramp-up time so for the higher-end jobs, most companies end up hiring externally. Outside of very early in my career, I've never moved into a higher position within the same company - in most cases, the jobs just weren't there or perhaps required a relocation, so I'd just jump ship and move to a different company.

No matter what you'll never start at a different company and get right into a high end job.

You won't start out at a high-end job at a different company if you're just starting out, that's true. If you've built up experience, you can always jump to a higher position at a different company.
 

clamum

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We have a lot of new faces in our company and most are from outside. A couple have been cross-promoted from different departments, but most new higher-ups are from outside the company. Granted, it's not a huge company (~600 employees total now after integration with a company we merged with) and it's just an anecdotal example.

Yeah, I passed on that Detroit one. I do want the ability to work remote if I need to, but I do actually like going into an office and having some interaction with people. Heck if I didn't do that I'd barely have any.

As for the "sole developer" job, still haven't heard back on it. I'm a bit leary, I just don't care for the sound of being the sole guy, but I'm not counting it out yet until I learn more. I'd perfer to work on a team, especially with someone with more knowledge than myself so I can learn more. I've stagnated in my current job and my skills are all with many years old technologies. Poop. Thankfully I've done a little bit of web development, and mobile development, on my own to try and keep things up.
 
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