Salary probably should have been settled before the written offer comes, or at least you should know what they are going to offer and already negotiated, I feel. I never renegotiated post-written offer but that's just me. Others may have different experiences.Still no written offer, but I have been in communication with the HR Mgr and expect to receive a formal written offer soon.
Now I'd like to ask some negotiating advice. As I mentioned, I am scheduled for a salary review with my current employer next week. The thing is, in 9 years of employ, the only times I've been reviewed have been when I have specifically asked for a review - obviously looking for an increase. The three times I've asked, I've been "ripped" and shot down for an increase. NOW, the Managing Director of the company told me HE told the IT Dir to give me a review and increase my salary.
How much should I/can I leverage this review in my counter to the new opportunity? Even though the process is now a few months long, and I have passed the anniversary date of my current job, would it seem "convenient" to use the salary increase in my current job as leverage in my counter offer?
As always, any and all advice/replies are appreciated.
this is also my experience. try to negotiate ahead of written offer.Salary probably should have been settled before the written offer comes, or at least you should know what they are going to offer and already negotiated, I feel. I never renegotiated post-written offer but that's just me. Others may have different experiences.
Salary probably should have been settled before the written offer comes, or at least you should know what they are going to offer and already negotiated, I feel. I never renegotiated post-written offer but that's just me. Others may have different experiences.
this is also my experience. try to negotiate ahead of written offer.
Fair enough, it sounds like you've had a garbage fire of a hiring process anyhow, so I guess negotiating post-offer letter is fine. They might get all flustery though if they thought that offer letter = what they are getting you for, who knows.Well this was the reason for my question. I've only spoken with the HR person twice. The first time she asked what my salary requirement was and I avoided answering initially as I did not want to put out a number first. To which she volunteered a number and outlined a package. The second call she said they were approved internally to make an offer and verbally stated a number lower than the first conversation. This is why I was waiting for a formal offer. IMO I haven't actually received an offer from them, only had a talk about what my requirements may be.
I wanted to receive their offer and then counter as up to know I have not been told anything "Official". It has all been, "the thought is......the compensation would be along the lines of......"
I've never been told specifically what the offer would be, therefore, I think it should not be an issue if I counter the offer. Aside from salary, due to how contracts work in Italy, I need a formal offer to view it against what is outlined in the nationally negotiated contract.
It's kind of difficult to negotiate when there really has been only one short conversation after a long delay. I asked when she mentioned the offer, if it was a firm offer and non-negotiable and she replied to the effect that i would be able to review and then it would be discussed.
Not so much a big deal, just that most employers I've worked with consider the offer letter to be nothing more than formality. I've always known exactly what the offer letter was going to say prior to receiving it, so there was no negotiating to do after the fact. That may not be the case with every employer though (and obviously the letter itself isn't written in stone).It sounds like some people think a company changing an offer letter after the initial one is a big deal. It's not and happens all the time. It's just a word file and they have to change a few characters then email it again. Hell I've gotten initial offer letters that literally said "Address Line 1" on them because they didn't have my address. It was just a formality to know I had a real tangible offer. Obviously they changed it afterwards, and increased the salary as well.
That's common at universities.
After my most recent round of applications (a bit over a year ago) in which I found my current job, I got contacted for months from various employers, the most recent about 3 months ago (so somewhere between 10-12 months after applying). I cannot fathom how a job can remain available for that timeframe and still be deemed important enough to hire someone for.If you don't hate your job and are up for the salary review I'd say its worth a shot at continued salary negotiations.
Yeah I have heard plenty of stories about people getting contacted for an interview process months after applying - in some cases long enough that the people forgot they had even applied for the position. The best part is when places route the entire process through an HR system so even "Thank you" and follow up emails to the University disappear into the blackhole of the HR system.
Hell, that's typical for some places in the states if you're unlucky. I had job interview processes take a couple months back when I was searching (year and some change ago). Some places are just terrifically slow.My God - is this kind of lead time for interviews typical for Italy?
You have to remember, in Italy there are contractual obligations regarding notice period based on your contract type, and length of employment. I am legally required to give 30 Calendar days (excluding any vacation/holidays that fall during the notice period). This can slow things down alot.My God - is this kind of lead time for interviews typical for Italy?
It's not like I wasn't looking. Remember, the govt in Italy give incentives for hiring young graduates cause all they are all leaving Italy cause they can't find decent paying jobs.No raise in 9 years?
I'd be out of there after year 2.
Take the new job, your current employer doesn't give a shit about you.