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Kadarin

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Gilroy is in Santa Clara county so yeah I guess its the red headed stepchild of the Bay Area. The South Part of Evergreen (95138) is probably the most expensive part of SJ.

I think of Gilroy (and Morgan Hill) as being just outside the Bay Area.
 

skim milk

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Is traffic in the Bay Area really that bad? I lived in the South Bay and never thought it was that bad compared to other metro areas like LA and DC.

Bay area traffic is not that bad at all. I have lived in LA and DC, it's way worse in those two cities.
 

Specop 007

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I guess it depends. Safety--cost of living? The two places that you absolutely do not want to live are East Oakland (some areas of Oakland can be quite nice and awesome, though) and anywhere in Richmond.

If cost is the thing--then on the average, I think South Bay tends to be the most expensive. North of Berkeley is generally more reasonable. You're limited to Albany and El Cerrito, though, before turning into Richmond.

I like this area, however. I don't like much of the South Bay b/c it's very soulless. The same kind of car-dependent Suburban Sprawl that you see all over the country. With Berkeley, it feels like a small town, but also quite urban, in a strange way. In most areas, I'm in walking distance of just about anything I need, which is rather unique for this size town (which does not feel like a city). Can be both quite and lively. SF is just across the Bay, too.

South Berkeley is more or less Oakland, and does suck a bit, but it is gentrifying. West Berkeley (along the bay, used to be a shithole some decades ago (or so I'm told), but it's a rather cool area these days.

Emeryville (er, Pixar-ville), a sliver of a town sandwiched between berk and Oakland, is basically "apartment living in strip mall parking lots." At least, that's what it looks like to me.

Both in terms of safety and cost of living.

The real killer is the 3 kids. I need a good school and also a relatively crime free area which means theres going to be a price tag associated with that. Seeing as I am not (yet) rich and famous though......
 

zinfamous

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Is traffic in the Bay Area really that bad? I lived in the South Bay and never thought it was that bad compared to other metro areas like LA and DC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic

it's used for wikipedia's page on the subject. that photo is taken right next to the main exit that I use. It doesn't look bad there, but less then a mile down is where 580/880/ and the Bay Bridge converge. 80 is the main artery towards Sacramento.

It is hell at nearly all times of day.
 

zinfamous

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Both in terms of safety and cost of living.

The real killer is the 3 kids. I need a good school and also a relatively crime free area which means theres going to be a price tag associated with that. Seeing as I am not (yet) rich and famous though......

Berkeley/Albany, or maybe somewhere like San Mateo or even Redwood City (south bay).

Berk/Albany if you can handle hippies and random street crazies (I prefer that to the vapid suburban wasteland of the south bay. :\)

Or maybe even Walnut Creek, Orinda (this might be high cost of living, though--I'm not really sure. But their most pressing crime and social concern these days is the leaf blower. lol), Dublin, etc.

As far as I know, the only school districts that you really need to avoid are Richmond, and certain parts of Oakland.


But the state is broke and there are no jobs out here, so stay out!
 

zinfamous

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Bay area traffic is not that bad at all. I have lived in LA and DC, it's way worse in those two cities.

Yeah, LA is certainly worse. I think DC is not as bad, though.

the absolute worst part of the area is that 880/580/80 (B Bridge) "maze."

At the worst, It can up to 1.5 hours to get through that fucking tollbooth and cross the bridge.
 

Dr. Detroit

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West San Jose represent!

Aint cheap in my hood - especially for those who get Cupertino schools. No McMansions or newer homes on dime sized lots, all established older neighborhoods.

Commute to Oakland on the daily - took an hour 45 with Car-Pool today. Usually about an hour 15. Buddy commutes from Cottle on 85 to Menlo Park - routinely takes him 1.5hrs to get home and an hour plus to get to work even at 6:45am.

Campbell is a nice enclave as well here in the S Bay. We dislike S San Jose - too hot in the summer with less breeze, feels way more suburbia & strip mall, and difficult to get around.

We know folks who commute from: Salinas, Los Banos, Gilroy, Hollister, Disco Bay, Livermore, and of course a few nutjobs from Manteca, Modesto & Lathrop.

Considering that a 2300 sq ft McMansion in a gated community goes for under $200K in the central valley its a choice a lot of people make to avoid the $600K mortgage for a 3bd 2 ba 1200 sq ft 1950's ranch fixer upper.

If you plan on working in SF proper and can walk from Bart to work - move to LaMorInda (Lafayette, Moraga, Orinda)
 

thegimp03

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Yeah, LA is certainly worse. I think DC is not as bad, though.

the absolute worst part of the area is that 880/580/80 (B Bridge) "maze."

At the worst, It can up to 1.5 hours to get through that fucking tollbooth and cross the bridge.

I would go nuts if I had to deal with the maze every day.
 

Specop 007

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So living in Orinda or Walnut Creek would have one driving through this "maze" every day to get across the Bay Bridge and into SF then?
 

Slew Foot

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So living in Orinda or Walnut Creek would have one driving through this "maze" every day to get across the Bay Bridge and into SF then?


Yeah that would totally suck, unless you could ride BART. WC/Moraga/Orinda are VERY expensive though, and full of old snooty white people.
 

SSSnail

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If you are planning to live in the Bay Area, and will be working downtown SF, there are only a few things you need to know.

One - will you have access to convenient MUNI? (Look at express lines)
Two - will you have access to BART? One or two transfers are not uncommon.
Three - can you take the ferry? Planning on 1 hr between rides during peak periods (depends on your ferry, there are a few companies that operate them).
Four - will your car take you to any of the aforementioned public transport services? You may have to plan on parking, share ride, etc...

If you drive to work, plan on paying at least $300/month on parking - unless you own a building and have your own parking garage. (If you live anywhere on the East Bay, or cross the Golden Gate Bridge, then there are bridge tolls).

Aside from that, make sure you read up on crimes statistic, stay away from the bad areas. Do plan on spending at least 1hr for commuting, there's no getting around that unless you live in a highrise downtown. Also, do plan on making at least 100K, as Kadarin said, anything below that is poverty.

Well, good luck.

/Edit: You might also want to rent an apartment and live here for one year, figure out where you really want to live, then commit.
 
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Dr. Detroit

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Yeah that would totally suck, unless you could ride BART. WC/Moraga/Orinda are VERY expensive though, and full of old snooty white people.

LaMorInda - way cheaper than people think. Nice large places can be had for under $700K. For $700K on the peninsula gets you a shack. And yes- lots of great white folk, lots of white folk in San Ramon, Danville, Dublin & Pleasanton - its the OC of the bay area.

DO Not make it a habit of driving into the city - Bart - and if you can BART it into the city you can live anywhere there is a Bart station. I would avoid Pittsburgh & Antioch though in the far east east bay.

You want snooty rich white folk - live in the N. Bay in places like Marin & Corte Madera. Talk about a wine & cheese crowd!
 

zinfamous

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So living in Orinda or Walnut Creek would have one driving through this "maze" every day to get across the Bay Bridge and into SF then?

Yeah. don't do that. Use BART--as expensive and seemingly useless a service BART is compared to any major PT anywhere else, it is useful for avoiding that hell.

and again, Orinda--they're problems consists of too many leaf blowers.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/10/25/101025fa_fact_friend

lol. I'll let you decide for yourself if that's the kind of place you want to live in...

Walnut Creek has Fry's, so....yeah.
 

gordita

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wow!
didn't realize the thread would have so many responses in such a short time.

I must apologize for not relaying more info about the exact city/town for the potential employment as that would've avoided a lot of comments....

Redwood City.

Obviously, we would like to stay in and around that but it also depends on where I can find employment...

super duper info about traffic and the school districts as that would be the stuff we would be most worried about...
 

Specop 007

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Well, if I do make it to SF I can see I'll owe a few people a drink! Thanks for everything. Its going to be a tough sell for me between the cost of living and the fact I would need to give up and truck AND my guns.

I dont know if I can handle that level of sacrifice!
 

Specop 007

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wow!
didn't realize the thread would have so many responses in such a short time.

I must apologize for not relaying more info about the exact city/town for the potential employment as that would've avoided a lot of comments....

Redwood City.

Obviously, we would like to stay in and around that but it also depends on where I can find employment...

super duper info about traffic and the school districts as that would be the stuff we would be most worried about...

I can haz hijacked post?
 

Capt Caveman

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So living in Orinda or Walnut Creek would have one driving through this "maze" every day to get across the Bay Bridge and into SF then?

You take the BART. Driving thru the tunnel then over the Bridge, count on about a 1-1.5 hr commute each way.
 

Capt Caveman

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If you are planning to live in the Bay Area, and will be working downtown SF, there are only a few things you need to know.

One - will you have access to convenient MUNI? (Look at express lines)
Two - will you have access to BART? One or two transfers are not uncommon.
Three - can you take the ferry? Planning on 1 hr between rides during peak periods (depends on your ferry, there are a few companies that operate them).
Four - will your car take you to any of the aforementioned public transport services? You may have to plan on parking, share ride, etc...

If you drive to work, plan on paying at least $300/month on parking - unless you own a building and have your own parking garage. (If you live anywhere on the East Bay, or cross the Golden Gate Bridge, then there are bridge tolls).

Aside from that, make sure you read up on crimes statistic, stay away from the bad areas. Do plan on spending at least 1hr for commuting, there's no getting around that unless you live in a highrise downtown. Also, do plan on making at least 100K, as Kadarin said, anything below that is poverty.

Well, good luck.

/Edit: You might also want to rent an apartment and live here for one year, figure out where you really want to live, then commit.

Living in Berkeley, I used to take the casual carpool into SF for work(closer than BART and free) then take the BART home(usually jumping out in Oakland and jogging home).
 

zinfamous

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wow!
didn't realize the thread would have so many responses in such a short time.

I must apologize for not relaying more info about the exact city/town for the potential employment as that would've avoided a lot of comments....

Redwood City.

Obviously, we would like to stay in and around that but it also depends on where I can find employment...

super duper info about traffic and the school districts as that would be the stuff we would be most worried about...

My sister-in-law and nephew live in Redwood City, so I'm there quite regularly. Many great schools, and simply a good place for kids. Again--I'm not a huge fan of that place simply because it's rather...soulless. But there is a lot going on there, because you have Palo Alto (also kind of "fake," but at least you have all that a major University has to offer a town. Which is always good.)

There are various neighborhoods and towns (San Carlos, Menlo Park, Woodside, San Mateo, etc) in the area with various C.o.L.

Overall, it's a very safe area and depending on work, commuting may not be horrible--You might be able to choose between 101 and 280--280 is quite nice (scenic), and generally the least busy expressway, on average. There is no BART on that side, however. It's all Caltrain as far as Millbrae (just south of SFO).

Probably my biggest gripe is that none of the Bay Area PT is connected--it's preposterous. Caltrain, BART, Muni (SF transit), AC transit (East bay bus), all are individual entities with no carry over. and unless you live in SF or cross the Bay Bridge to SF, there is no monthly discount on PT for daily users. (I could be wrong--I think muni/BART offer some sort of combined access. Not sure, though). Anyway, it's a fuckhole of PT compared to other metro areas.

BART isn't exactly light rail, either. It's more of a commuter train, so there are two in the area (Caltrain and BART)
 

zinfamous

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Well, if I do make it to SF I can see I'll owe a few people a drink! Thanks for everything. Its going to be a tough sell for me between the cost of living and the fact I would need to give up and truck AND my guns.

I dont know if I can handle that level of sacrifice!

You probably don't need to give up your guns.

Unless you're carrying around rocket launchers (ordinance) or something like that. :hmm:

Hell, I live in Berkeley/Albany, and there's a shooting range/gun shop across the street.
 

zinfamous

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You take the BART. Driving thru the tunnel then over the Bridge, count on about a 1-1.5 hr commute each way.

there is a nice little side route that can avoid the tunnel--but then you're dealing with 13/Ashby at rush hour, as well. gah.

still better than the tunnel.
 

Dr. Detroit

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Redwood City is Peninsula - and Peninsula is generally spendy.

But overall its a nice area- there are some below avg areas of Redwood City - anything close to Hwy 101 and S of Woodside Rd. Pretty industrial with quite a few taquerias and carniciera's.

Nice thing is its not a horrible commute from anywhere: You could live in Newark and take the Dumbarton bridge - you can live in San Jose and take 101 or 280 freeway which allows you to live in Santa Clara or West San Jose for an easy commute of under an hour.
 

Kadarin

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My area of expertise is IT Management and Operations.

Under Information Systems and Technology, Apple has a number of Project Management positions open (your stated expertise is vague, sorry), and a couple of operational management positions open as well. Dig around, you might find a good fit.
 
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