Joe Biden!

[Perknose]

Joe Biden is an honest-to-goodness, balls-up liberal Democrat, in the GRAND tradition of Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Harry S. Truman, and John Fitzgerald Kennedy, and he just sparkled and shined in front of the cameras.

Joe Biden renews my faith in the true mainstream of America, which is not the angry, retrograde religious radicals that make up the bulk of the 4 more years of the last 8.

Joe Biden has more character in his little finger than that dry drunk, jump-suit wearing trust fund baby Bush and his entire administration of clowns and outright criminals.

May the God of common sense and mercy, and not their asshole Old Testament God, truly bless the United States of America.

Yeah. I'm pumped for the Republic! :thumbsup:

 

[Excelsior]

America, FUCK YEAH.

 

[dahunan]

Daily Show Moment of Zen - Biden tells Ashcroft whats up

 

[nageov3t]

is there anywhere online to actually watch these speeches?

 

[LittleNemoNES]

u
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[lupi]

Just read the transcript. Serious snoozefest for about the first 2/3, the he goes on with "change", "Mccain wrong", "Obama right", in various order, for the remainder.

 

[Vic]

I was impressed. A very powerful speech.

The one thing I've come to like about the modern Democratic party is that it actually requires that its leaders be accomplished and successful men, while all the Republican party requires of its leaders is that they be Republicans.

 

[QED]

I honestly feel sorry for anyone pathetic and naive enough to be moved by anything said during a political convention.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Vic
I was impressed. A very powerful speech.

The one thing I've come to like about the modern Democratic party is that it actually requires that its leaders be accomplished and successful men, while all the Republican party requires of its leaders is that they be Republicans.

ummm Obama??? Successful at what???

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Vic
I was impressed. A very powerful speech.

The one thing I've come to like about the modern Democratic party is that it actually requires that its leaders be accomplished and successful men, while all the Republican party requires of its leaders is that they be Republicans.

ummm Obama??? Successful at what???

Pretty much every single thing he's tried his hand at? I don't really care that much as it has nothing to do with why I'm voting for him, but I think that Obama's history is one of never ending success at least up to this point.

 

[ElFenix]

jfk was the first neocon president

Originally posted by: eskimospy
Pretty much every single thing he's tried his hand at? I don't really care that much as it has nothing to do with why I'm voting for him, but I think that Obama's history is one of never ending success at least up to this point.

he did do pretty well using procedural rules to make sure he ran unopposed during his first primary. electioneering at it's finest. and then getting the republican ryan to admit to having sex with his hot wife was a masterstroke.

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Vic
I was impressed. A very powerful speech.

The one thing I've come to like about the modern Democratic party is that it actually requires that its leaders be accomplished and successful men, while all the Republican party requires of its leaders is that they be Republicans.

ummm Obama??? Successful at what???

Well, he's from a upper-middle class family, no father, went to ivy leage schools, didn't say he was African-American when he applied, incredible student, worked his way up, recently finished paying off his college debt, successful marriage, has two kids, a nice house, ran for senate, relatively successful, beat out Clinton Political Machine for the Democratic Nomination and is going to be next POTUS.

but hey I'm just a 22 year old college student so what the hell do I know!

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Vic
I was impressed. A very powerful speech.

The one thing I've come to like about the modern Democratic party is that it actually requires that its leaders be accomplished and successful men, while all the Republican party requires of its leaders is that they be Republicans.

ummm Obama??? Successful at what???

I'm sorry, PJ, what is YOUR opinion of success?
Do you have a Juris Doctor magna cum laude from Harvard? Or the educational equivalent?
Have you written any bestsellers?
Have you taught constitutional law at a prestigious law school? Or the professional equivalent?
Have you served on any boards?
Have you ever been elected to political office?
And have you ever made more than a million dollars in a year?

 

[QED]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Vic
I was impressed. A very powerful speech.

The one thing I've come to like about the modern Democratic party is that it actually requires that its leaders be accomplished and successful men, while all the Republican party requires of its leaders is that they be Republicans.

ummm Obama??? Successful at what???

I would love to know exactly what Republican "leaders" he is referring to that were not successfull "men", when measured by the same standards that make him believe all Democratic party leaders are succesful "men".

(Or by using the term "men", is Vic intentionally leaving out Hillary Clinton as a succesful Democractirc leader?)

 

[ProfJohn]

Vic, I do not have any of those accomplishments you listed. But there are thousands of people in this country that do have those qualifications. Does that make them qualified to be the President of the United States???

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: QED
(Or by using the term "men", is Vic intentionally leaving out Hillary Clinton as a succesful Democractirc leader?)

Uh.. no. My bad if it seemed like so.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Now the Dems need to put substance behind their style.

Many promises and sound bites. How they can back it up over the next 70 days wil bea key issue.

Or are they just recycling what people want to hear without anything but hot air behind it.

The Dems attacked Bush in '08 and did not propose anything that the American people would sink their teeth into. You can see what it got them.

Anything but Bush did not work then and they had better not count on it being their mainstay now.

They can not run against Bush and they need to run for something besides change. Change needs to have something behind it.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Vic, I do not have any of those accomplishments you listed. But there are thousands of people in this country that do have those qualifications. Does that make them qualified to be the President of the United States???

No more so that those people who don't have those qualifications are not qualified to be President, PJ. I was asking for your opinion of successful if you believe that someone with those accomplishments isn't successful in your opinion.

 

[quest55720]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Now the Dems need to put substance behind their style.

Many promises and sound bites. How they can back it up over the next 70 days wil bea key issue.

Or are they just recycling what people want to hear without anything but hot air behind it.

The Dems attacked Bush in '08 and did not propose anything that the American people would sink their teeth into. You can see what it got them.

Anything but Bush did not work then and they had better not count on it being their mainstay now.

They can not run against Bush and they need to run for something besides change. Change needs to have something behind it.

LOL like they will ever come out with specifics. It will just be empty promise after empty promise. The democrats had a chance to do something this year on energy and completely failed. They would rather table any drilling vote and go on vacation when the working class is paying 3.70 a gallon and 20% more at the grocery store.

 

[ProfJohn]

Vic... successful in terms of being the President:
Being a successful governor. Hopefully for more than one term or having some success prior to that. Reagan, Carter and Clinton all fit this mold.

Successful as a Senator or Representative over many years. Someone who does more than show up to vote. Someone who provides leadership in their body and gets major legislation with their name attached passed. Or someone who has been around long enough to have achieved a position where they are looked upon as a leader in their body. McCain, Biden, LBJ, Kennedy and perhaps Kerry would fit this mold.

There is no doubt that Obama is personally successful and has accomplished a lot personally, but when it comes to his role in government he has not really done ANYTHING special at all. He won his first elected position by getting his opponent removed from the ballot. He won his second elected position by beating Alan Fucking Keyes!!! Obama has never even won a contested race, until the primaries. As a US senator Obama has done nothing to establish himself as a leader. He has no major laws passed with his name. He is described as not being a part of the leadership.

Obama has not done one thing that makes me think he is qualified to be President.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Vic... successful in terms of being the President:
Being a successful governor. Hopefully for more than one term or having some success prior to that. Reagan, Carter and Clinton all fit this mold.

Successful as a Senator or Representative over many years. Someone who does more than show up to vote. Someone who provides leadership in their body and gets major legislation with their name attached passed. Or someone who has been around long enough to have achieved a position where they are looked upon as a leader in their body. McCain, Biden, LBJ, Kennedy and perhaps Kerry would fit this mold.

There is no doubt that Obama is personally successful and has accomplished a lot personally, but when it comes to his role in government he has not really done ANYTHING special at all. He won his first elected position by getting his opponent removed from the ballot. He won his second elected position by beating Alan Fucking Keyes!!! Obama has never even won a contested race, until the primaries. As a US senator Obama has done nothing to establish himself as a leader. He has no major laws passed with his name. He is described as not being a part of the leadership.

Obama has not done one thing that makes me think he is qualified to be President.

See what Pro-Jo meant by being successful was being successful in a way he could apply to McCain but not Obama.

Remember people, our good friend Pro-Jo who is trashing Obama for not having the experience or the 'success' in government necessary had picked Fred Thompson as his preferred Republican primary candidate. The guy with almost no major legislation to his name in 8 years in the Senate. Funny how that sort of thing didn't matter back then, huh?

 

[ProfJohn]

ummm when did I pick Thompson???? Please provide proof of that claim or correct your mistake.

I actually voted for Romney, although that was only after changing my vote from McCain at the last minute. BTW I am in Florida and we were the 5th state to vote I believe so I had a LOT of choices beyond Romney and McCain at that time.

 

[sportage]

ummm Obama??? Successful at what???

Typical detached ditto-head reaction...

 

[fallout man]

/facepalm

 

[ProfJohn]

Oh... eskimo, perhaps you would like to explain to us why Obama is in fact qualified to be President. What accomplishments of his raise him to level that will allow him to be only the 44th person in the last 230+ years to hold that office.